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  2. top-shelf-1

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    And until we're ready to stop accepting "some times," we'll be the same old Canes. McGinn had a nice little season, and I loved his physicality. It just would have been much more effective on the third line. Skinner needs linemates like Willy and Staal, who can get him the puck. I expect Roddy will go with a much more traditional approach, i.e., top six guys actually playing in the top six.
  3. gocanes0506

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    When Staal is back to being a shutdown center then McGinn will be by his side. they drive possession, physicality, and some times points. Staal is listed as the 2nd line center because it seems ludicrous to pay a shutdown center 6 mil but that is what we will be doing!
  4. gocanes0506

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    I've been trying to think of a list of teams he would waive for: Toronto- but they dont have much in line of forwards they would trade for a year of Skinner Nashville- Maybe? They have some nice pieces. LA has been mentioned but are they competitive enough?
  5. top-shelf-1

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    McGinn is not a legit 2nd liner on any top-ten team. He's a legit third. He may get there one day, but he isn't there yet, and the fact that he had that slot last year instead of Skinner was simply ludicrous.
  6. top-shelf-1

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    This isn't necessarily directed at you, Rem but I'm really fed up with the idea many are putting out there that Skinner ever got off the train. (Or boat. Or whatever "board" we're referencing.) He sure didn't look like he was standing on the dock (or platform, or whatever...) when he tied the game late versus Jersey, late in the stretch drive, only so Cam could boot another easy puck and lose it in OT. The guy was practically named captain, then wasn't. He lost the two linemates with whom he had the best chemistry the prior year, the best of his career: Stemp due to injury and Ryan due to who-knows-what, but for whatever reason, Ryan was not the same playmaking, if soft, center he had been the prior two seasons--until the games didn't matter anymore. But instead of finding and signing another veteran of Stemp's ilk to play with Skinner when it was clear Stemp wouldn't be back for a long time, RF gave him PDG. Instead of sitting Ryan's keister down or putting him on the fourth line and letting Skinner play with Lindholm, BP kept trotting him out there with Derek Ryan. Despite all that, the guy increases his physicality and manages to score 49 points. Yes, his D was not good. But as I've already noted, when you're trying to do it all at the other end of the ice, you're going to struggle to get back like you should--and like he did both of the prior two years, when he had healthy, capable linemates to play with.
  7. WilmingtonCaniac

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    This is his contract year. He'll play lights out. After all, who in his contract year doesn't.
  8. remkin

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    I guess I keep coming back to which Skinner we get. The Skinner of last year would not fit and frankly would not be hard to improve on considering both ends of the ice. The Skinner of two years ago was #6 in the NHL in goals, despite being an awkward fit as anyone's ideal linemate. I'm mostly starting to become resigned to him being gone, I just hope we get a guy we need back.
  9. remkin

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    That's exactly whats been knocking around in my head too Kjun. How much of whatever legit negativity is in the air included Brind'Amour and if so, can that be patched up or not. If it was mostly how he was used on the ice, and any lingering issues about the whole captaincy thing, and deterioration in the personal relationship with Peters, and less targeted through Brind'Amour, maybe it can be fixed. Now I'm assuming that based on reading the tea leaves of what McKenzie put out there and Skinner hiring a new agent, that all is not well in that regard. That is, perhaps Brind'Amour, based on Skinner's issues last year, actually prefers him gone. In that case, he's probably gone and we just hope the return is not too bad. But my hope would be the opposite, that BrindAmour could unlock the old Skinner and put him back on track. I tend to look at these things almost entirely in terms of the team on the ice, less than the payroll. I get that is not totally correct, but we have so dang much cap space, that I just want the best team out there, and let the owner worry about paying them. If he builds it they will come fill up the arena. We did it before and there are far more people in Raleigh than before. I break Skinner into two categories: How good will he be? And Return on Trade. The Skinner of last season can be traded for a 50 point 17 goal guy that hits and is at least a relatively even player, and we'd be fine. The Skinner of two years ago, though was #6 in the NHL in goals for crying out loud. Tale of two players, two very different players with the same name. The Skinner of two years ago, potting goals within a line up including Necas, Svech, Aho, TT, Jordan, Williams, Lindholm, etc could just be the turbo charge we need. AND if we re-sign that guy with the mutual idea that it is possible we may need to trade him, the return shoots up. I think he ends up getting traded. Hopefully we could work a deal for RNH? Neiterieter, maybe even Pacioretty or ROR. or a Hoffman and we'd be absolutely fine, even if we threw in prospects and or picks. RNH doesn't give us the physical edge, but he had a really good year last year, and physical or not, the guy was plus 10 good for #2 forward after Conner McDavid. It comes down to return but if he wants out, and if we can sweeten the pot and get back a better two way player, it will be too hard to pass up. I just hope we're talking about ways to get a guy who is not a huge dropoff from the type of firepower we're starting to put together.
  10. gocanes0506

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    Based on the youth coming up and the roster roles of our veterans (like Staal) I dont see where you could put Skinner and make a solid line. TT-Aho-? McGinn-Staal-Williams ?-Necas-? Martinook-Lindy/Wallmark-Foegele Zykov and Svech are going somewhere. Skinner isnt much of a 200 foot player to trust him next to Necas. Necas will need at least one solid veteran to help him out. Putting Skinner on Staal's line doesnt make any sense. With Aho and Necas presumably being centers, Staal will go back to being a primary shutdown center. Lindy's line could shoulder some of that burden but Staal would take the majority of defensive faceoffs.
  11. coastal_caniac

    Don Waddell New President and GM of Carolina Hurricanes

    How do you quantify success when these hires are only one person in a multi-staffed hockey club? Conversely, does hiring someone from a successful club automatically result in positive results? I'm not following the logic.
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  13. super_dave_1

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    This is pretty much it for me as well. If he's going to look for the last dime on the possible contract, then Waddell doesn't have much of a choice. Also I get so tired of reading these articles talking about his health and concussion issues. He's missed 3 total games in the last 3 years and played 82 in 2 of those.
  14. KJUNKANE

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    In my opinion, the key to retention of and rejuvenation of Jeff Skinner's career with the Canes is his relationship with Brind'Amour. Surely Mr Skinner appeared to lose all drive toward the end of this past season, as well as it might be with his deployment under Peters but I've got to believe that if ANY coach can find a key to his psyche, it will be Brindy. Add to that, the excitement of bringing in a Svechnikov and likely Necas plus pairing Skins with better talent, and I hope that spurs him to excel in his contract year. Not only that, but what I'm hoping and preying will be a playoff unit.
  15. remkin

    Off-Season 2018

    With all the deserved excitement about getting the #2 pick and hopefully Svechnikov, it might be a bit distracting from what would have been the big ticket prospect arrival, Martin Necas. I maintain that he is going to be very hard to keep off next year's team, and I'd predict he not only makes it, but provides a lot of smiles in the PNC this year. If you want to get a little more pumped about that check this piece out: https://www.nhl.com/news/carolina-prospect-martin-necas-close-to-making-nhl-roster/c-298697840 I really think that Svech/Necas and Aho/TT are 4 potential future All Stars. One thing the Canes could do this year if they do trade Skinner is go young. Zykov and Foegele are NHL ready right now. IMO, so are Svech and Necas. Part of me just wonders what a re tooled Skinner might be able to add to that though....
  16. remkin

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    Yeah, you have to spend money to make money, right? The point about Duchene was that from the GM's point of view, no one offered decent return for him, and Sakic didn't want to let him go for low return and it got ugly in Colorado. We are potentially in a similar situation if the rest of the GM's smell a chance to highjack our situation offer bad return, especially given our, uh untraditional, new to hockey, new owner. This could go both ways on that exact issue. We have Skinner this year. That is a year for him to prove it and us to decide what to do with him. It is also a year for Dundon to see if attendance might build. I get the argument in favor, and heck McKenzie has him practically gone, so what do I know? I just hate selling low, and Skinner, freed of Peters, just might bounce back, and a Skinner bounce back is good for 40 goals. That is worth more than a small return. That could equal playoffs this year. That alone is worth more than a low level return now. Even if Skinner just rode out this year, I'd take his 30+ goals in a year that Svech and Necas are rookies. I'd rather have one year of good Skinner and playoffs than trading him now for anything short of a return that is at least fair for some average of last year and the previous year. If Skinner does bounce back he might want to stay, and at least we could see what options we have. Did we drop Rask? Did we fill the house as the season went on? Did one of our yutes not named Necas or Svechnikov break out? Again, if we package Skinner and say Roy and maybe a second rounder and....for ROR. Sure. If we can do that without giving up Foegele or Necas or Svech or Bean? OK. I'm just assuming that is hard to pull off.
  17. gocanes0506

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    The biggest issue with Duchene is people were unwilling to pay Sakic's ask because they could re-negotiate his deal immediately. Skinner can re-sign come July 1st. We have ways of getting younger and cheaper of the next 2 years BUT we still have an internal cap. Not many teams are going to pay 70+ million in salary when they can't fill Friday and Saturday nights and be 70% the rest of the week. Aho and TT deals will be huge. 7 mil range for Aho, 8 if he can get up to 80 points this year. 6 million for TT, 7 if he gets to 30 goals. Defense will get more expensive of the next 2-3 years with Hanifin's bridge deal, Hanifin's big deal, and Fleury's bridge deal. We'll need to save money in our salary cap for Svech's post ELC deal. What about deals for Zykov, Wallmark, Foegele, etc that make the squad and do well? And then the albatross that is the goalie situation. We could potentially get another 4 million dollar goalie and hope it works out or buyout Darling with a hit of 1.8 mil and get a better goalie. In the end we are still looking at 8+ million for a goalie tandem. Unless Tavares signs with us, I dont see TD opening up the checkbook for anything more than "the extras" that Darling mentioned. More revenue is needed (the chicken and the egg argument) for salary expenditure to go up by any significant amount.
  18. cc

    Kaiton on the chopping block?

    I am ready for a Ride.
  19. Those guys don't seem to want to join our committee. But in all seriousness, I am much more excited about this guy than Dudley. He is behind some interesting new stats. I'm hoping that Dudley is there more to smooth things out with some old boy connections and not actually making any decisions. I guess with Dudley and this guy you get some real variation in perspective though, which may be what Dundon is going for. That said, I totally get your point about getting some input from someone with proven success.
  20. remkin

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    I'll be honest, I haven't done a long term cap analysis. The cap is going up. And at the risk of previewing my new Island, winning that #2 pick, with Necas coming in and our Finns on the rise has me thinking that ticket sales are going to start to pick up and playoffs might bring some cash in too. Maybe we can get closer to the cap than we are thinking. The question is whether Skinner would re-sign, and whether there could be some sort of frank discussion about him being open to trade if things just don't work out. Perhaps the team could take a similar position. We have plenty of cap space at the moment and I think in the near future. If we find some place for Rask to go, that would help too. Year after this one Williams comes off too. My fear is value. Skinner could quickly become a version of Matt Duchene, but with even less contract left. It is now out there that we are trying to move him and even implied that he might want out (new agent). This is not an ideal seller's position. Then add in that ugly plus-minus, whatever rumors are there about off ice stuff, an off year, and again, only one year left on his deal.....I can't imagine that we would actually get offered ROR for him. I guess, as usual, it all comes down to things we will at best get rumor of: what are the offers?
  21. remkin

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    I think that salary a very fair point. One thing is that this is a contract year, so the flipside of trading him is that motivation to prove his worth. The other thing is some sort of understanding or modification of his NTC to go with the deal. If worse comes to worse, we can try to unload that contract so long has he doesn't utterly collapse. I do think it's always a tricky thing with a guy in his last year pre UFA. But Patrick O Sullivan pointed out yestertday (about a different player) that the team does have until next June to finally decide things. True his value if he walks is next to nill, but at least you get that contract year, and a chance to see if he bounces back. I just wonder what kind of offers we're getting and will our new group pounce on a low return. Hopefully the actual offers are better than the blogger bozo's are offering.
  22. gocanes0506

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    Do you believe we can keep skinner after this year? Maybe for a year or two but after that I dont think the team will be able to afford him. What about the rest of the 5 years of his 7 year deal worth about 7 million a year? If he gets to 30+ goals again, we could move him. If not, we have eat money to move him. Might as well get any value out of him. Could you imagine us in a playoff race (yes imagine that) and then trying to move Skinner. Of course not. So you move him now and get value out of him.
  23. coastal_caniac

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    My issue with Skinner is salary. He will be looking for a raise, and given his shortcomings, I'm not sure management can justify 6-7 million for him.
  24. remkin

    Dundon in Charge

    Sounds a lot like what I'm talking about. May even be the exact company. If so, very good move long term IMHO.
  25. coastal_caniac

    Kaiton on the chopping block?

    Not a big fan of hockey on the radio so my response is biased. Hockey on the radio with Chuck K. doesn't do it for me. Sometimes you just have to let it go Chuck and understand the game is going to evolve, regardless. Like Top, I get frustrated when he goes off on tangents during the live action for 5 minutes. I think radio still has a place, but I prefer the simulcast alternative.
  26. remkin

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    This article pretty much sums up GM remkin's thoughts about trading Skinner now: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/trading-jeff-skinner-likely-haunt-232101291.html Bottom line, don't do it. My exceptions would be if it brought back a serious forward, or if Skinner wants out with intensity. I've seen ROR for Skinner straight up, and in that case I might bite, but if Rod can get Skinner back on board and find him some good linemates everything can turn back to 40 goal Skinner, sniping next to our new young talent. If he turns it around even a little and we re-sign him, he could be traded for more later if it came to that. The problem, as always w/ trades is value. How do we get full value after the year he had (including the plus/minus) and only one year left on his deal? And Waddell and a few friends on the committe just got the keys to the Ferrari, maybe he should take a few practice laps before this type of deal.
  27. wxray1

    Kaiton on the chopping block?

    Radio is still important for mobile people and for a presence on national radio like XM. People out there listen. Locally, I think the before and after shows are more important. I don't think that is Chuck's thing. Too bad, he could be like Espo, telling people to go to hell or that they are full of sh... The current situation for the before and after-show is a disaster. That needs to change. As much as I dislike Dave Mishkin, I have to say that the Mishkin-Espo combo on radio for the Lightning hits a nerve among the audience. Apparently the kids like screamers like Mishkin, and the old codgers like Espo for telling it like it is. I'm not sure Chuck would ever agree to do color. And even so, sounds like TD wouldn't pay for it anyway.
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