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  1. Adding my 2 cents on the McClement/Nash debate: I agree Nash is the better player, however, this team is going to be one of if not the youngest team next season. You have to have some vets sprinkled in to help the young ones. With that said, McClement plays that role far better than Nash. Yes we still have JStaal, Hainsey, and Wiz as vets, but it can't hurt to have McClement's presence in the locker room. You have to have that balance between young and experience. With McClement already signed, it's actually a pretty easy decision on who you keep. They aren't going to buy him out, and trading him now, would be pointless. The deadline would be a better trade time if we are out of the playoffs. The other thing we need to think about is this expansion draft. I'm having a real hard time finding guys that the Canes can expose based on the rules, without giving up our core forwards (JStaal, Skinner, Rask, Lindholm). With being a young team, we will have a lot of guys that will be exempt due to be 1st or 2nd year pros (i.e Aho, Teuvo, Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin). Or guys who are upcoming free agents (i.e McClement, Hainsey, Wiz, Bickell). Francis has to go out and sign a Free Agent or 2 for at least 2 years and be able to expose them.
  2. This is where we disagree. Rask and Lindholm are not ready to face a teams top defensive pair. They can handle it for a few games, but to ask them to go up against a team's top defense for 82 games will only hurt them. They are still young and still have growing to do. Right now they are playing well with Skinner because they are getting the other's team 3rd pairings. They still need to be sheltered in a sense. Asking them to go up against the top defense pairings night in night out is too much. Let them grow and put them in that situation when they are more ready. As for Jordan, his game is better suited being that defensive forward. The guy should be in the voting for a Selke this year (he won't) and in years to come. If you ask Jordan to change his game to be a #1 C, offense focus only, then I think you see production going down from him. Let him continue to be that #2C checking line who can also put up offensive numbers, ala Brind'Amour. He is way more comfortable in the role he is playing now and it shows. As for your comment about other guys will win more face-offs, regularly go to the net and hit more, that's just not true. Out of the 4, only Jordan wins more at 58%. Followed by Eric at 54%, Rask at 51% and Lindholm at 50%. The team as a whole leads the league in face-off wins and Eric is a big part of that. And you can seriously say that we have guys that regularly go to the net? Please enlighten me. Hasn't that been the complaint year after year that there is never anyone in front of the net. They are starting to get in front of the net, including Eric, but not one player does it consistently. Also, being physical doesn't mean how many hits is X player getting a game. To win board battles, you have to be physical, and this is something that Eric is doing very well. He's winning those board battles. He leads the team in possession. I know I may sound like an Eric apologist, but I'm also not just looking at numbers and salary. I'm looking at the whole picture. I'm trying to see what this team will be like losing a 1-2C and not being able to replace them. We have to remember that if Francis decides to re-sign Eric, it won't be at $9M per. This team still needs an Eric whether it's Eric himself or someone else. This team is not in a position to overpay in free agency or free agents are not knocking down the PNC Arena doors. And to go the trade route, you have to give to get. Murphy and scrubs won't get it done. This is what I'm trying to look at, not Eric isn't producing offensively so he's worthless.
  3. There is one thing you have to remember, come free agency, the question isn't 'is said player worth that price', the question is 'is there a team that will overpay for said player'. The answer to that question is YES. We see it every July 1st. There is always 1, sometimes 2 players where the terms/salary come out and everyone goes 'Whaaaaaaaat, that is overpayment'. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Eric get more than the $6M people say he is worth. All it takes is that 1 GM who gets desperate or has some extra money lying around. And it happens every single year.
  4. If you think Eric will get less than $6M on the open market then you are just delusional. He will be one of the top UFAs come July 1st, if he isn't re-signed. He is still a very good capable 1-2C, you have to look at more than just stats. This shows (http://public.tableau.com/shared/85XRW8HDG?:display_count=yes&:showVizHome=no) that Eric is still a very good player, a player that teams need/want. If Eric was going to get $6M or less on the open market, he'll just re-sign here for that much. He'll easily get $7.5-8.5M from a team. There are teams out there who need a 1-2C and will pay it. And yes, you can throw Stamkos, if he makes it to July 1st, will be the #1 UFA, but he will also be looking for a contract in the $12M range. That will limit teams that can take that type of contract on. However, I doubt he gets to July 1st anyway. So that leaves Staal as the biggest UFA and teams will pay more than $6M.
  5. All valid points, TS and Jon. Eric said yesterday, unless he was lying, that Francis has not asked him to waive or if he would waive his NMC. I personally just think a decision needs to be made either way. This status quo is not helping anyone. I'm sure Francis hasn't been getting much sleep wondering what he should do. Should he trade the first 'franchise player' of the Canes org or keep him, and if so, at what cost. I'm pretty sure Eric wants to stay. He really does love this team/org/area, plus his brother is here. I don't know that Jordan signed a 10-year deal only to get 1-2 years playing with his brother. The way Jordan is playing now, do you want to piss him off that he requests a trade? I don't think he would, but it's almost as with we are playing with a double edge sword. Like Forslund said that other night, the Canes aren't in the position they are in now if it's not for Jordan's play. The guy has been carrying this team. As far as trading him, it sounds like it will be pretty hard, and maybe another reason for the 'status quo'. Bob McKenzie was on during the 1st intermission of the Hawks/Rangers game and actually had Staal as an option for the Hawks to play with Toews/Hossa. But he thought Eric's cap will be hard to take on for contending teams.
  6. I know you dislike Eric, but you need to put your bias aside for a second. It doesn't matter if you are an athlete or an every day joe, not knowing, weighs on you. What if your boss came to you and said "so TS, we might transfer you in a month, where, we aren't sure, or we might decide to keep you in this office, but at a significant pay cut", that *edit* will weigh on you, the unknown, especially if you are the provider of your family. My fiancee does contract work and whenever his contract is a few months from being up, he starts to stress on whether it will get renewed or if he should start looking for new work. It's life, the uncertainity of where you'll go or be is stressful, it's human nature. And his actions today lead me to believe something is up. He came out for practice early taking shots on Ward. And then when the rest of the team left, he stayed out on the ice by himself. Something is going through his head and yes can affect his play. They keep saying the unknown isn't a bother, but it clearly is. A decision needs to be made NOW. They either re-sign him or he/the team go different routes. Sign now, or trade, none of this trade and re-sign July.
  7. Luke has an axe to grind with the Canes. Someone either killed his dog or pissed in his cheerios one too many times. Don't let him fool you into thinking he actually pays attention to the Canes, because he doesn't. He says we should trade Skinner or Jordan and how Jordan's contract is probably unmmovable. Um Luke, every team needs a Jordan type player and the way he has been playing, any team would take him and that unmmovable contract. As for Skinner. Right. Last I checked this team has a hard time scoring, so yes, let's move one of our best offensive guys. He wants the Canes to trade-off all the vets and be what Edmonton, with a bunch of kids/prospects. That isn't what Francis has in mind. Francis wants to re-tool, not do a full on re-build. To re-tool, you still need vets sprinkled in with the kids. To re-build, you need at least 4-5 years to become competitive, this is time the Canes do not have. If Francis plays it right and does the re-tool in the correct way, this team can be competitive in the next year or 2.
  8. Anyone else think that maybe this up in the air thing is weighing on Staal. I know he's said he doesn't think about it, blah blah blah, but come on. Here it is,2 weeks till the deadline and it's all 'status quo'. It's not like the guy is single, he's married and has 3 kids under the age of 6. It's got to be weighing him down wondering what his future holds. I don't care what anyone says. RF needs to decide to keep him or trade him. The sooner the better for both parties. I just think this wait and see is not doing Eric any favors and its showing these past few games. He was looking good, or shall I say better, then within the last week when Curran was asked, he said it's all status quo, wait and see. Then it seemed to me that Eric took a step back.
  9. It's going to be a different realm with Francis. JR used media to leak stuff. Francis keeps everything close to his chest, hence Francis being known as 'Fort Knox'. The deadline is what 3 weeks away. They can't still be sitting status quo as Curran says. I think Francis may have a lockdown on any information getting leaked.
  10. Neither is ready next year to take on that role. Rask was good there for a bit, but then he started to regress, hence why he was moved off and now centering Skinner. Lindholm is clearly not ready. Peters already alluded to that fact when he said that Lindholm came into the league too soon. Peters said he is just now 'getting it', that's not someone you throw into a 1st line center role. So again, who do we have to take that role? Also, we aren't talking about Eric at $9M so we can stop referring to his current salary b/c that won't be his salary come July 1st.
  11. I saw this come across yesterday and found it quite interesting. Why? Because I continue to see/read how people think Eric didn't do his job here because we only made the playoffs twice while he has been with the team or how he hasn't earned his pay. And because I see mention of these same names as players people would take on their team and who I've seen mentioned (not particularly on this board) as being better players than Eric, but seeing the numbers like this, kind of makes one see that he isn't as bad as people portray him to be. I think and can understand, people being frustrated since we haven't seen playoff hockey since 2009, shoot I am, but to call out someones character or saying they are dogging it, etc, is wrong. If they were truely dogging it, ok, but it's clear Eric is not. No, the goals are not going for him, as we saw yesterday where had seriously had like 3 grand opportunities and missed on all 3, but it isn't for lack of effort or dogging it. I'm just not sure who people think can take his place if he does not return. Here's a list of the Top 10 skaters from the 2003 draft class, ranked by points: E. Staal G-321; A-451; P-772 R.Getzlaf G-212; A-500; P-712 T. Vanek G-312; A-325; P-637 C. Perry G-317; A-320; P-637 P. Bergeron G-225; A-370; P-595 Z. Parise G-291; A-303; P-594 J. Carter G-296; A-261; P-557 J. Pavelski G-253; A-283; P-536 M. Richards G-179; A-303; P-482 L. Eriksson G-197; A-283; P-480
  12. Pittsburgh doesn't have their first this year. You forget who is now their GM Their prospects are pretty bare as well. JR has only been there for about 1.5 years, but he's already doing more damage than good with that team. Which I am not complaining. If EStaal is traded, it should be for no less than a 1st plus an A or B level prospect.
  13. I'd rather Murphy in the lineup than M.Jordan. But I think it's more that Peters likes to have an equal number of lefties/righties. M.Jordan struggles as is, but he's pretty awful on his offside.
  14. I'm with Coastal and SD, in that we can't go full blown young, i.e Oilers. Look how many #1 draft picks they have and they are still missing the playoffs year after year. Why, because they really don't have any veteran presence. It was one reason they went after Sekera as hard as they did. I think most people are fed up with Staal because he's making $9M, well blame JR. When that contract was first signed there were questions about the last 2 years of that deal being so high. We knew he would be 30 heading into those last two years and that's usually when forwards start to decline a bit. Staal has been doing everything else he's supposed, the scoring is just not working for him. But you want him to contribute and be a valuable piece of the team, which he is. He wants to stay here, so he probably would take a discount to stay, what that discount is, I don't know. But what if we did something like $6M with incentives? This way, he can make more, but it will be based off his play.
  15. Here's an unbiased E. Staal article that I think needs to be read, if you haven't already: I think that first paragraph I quoted is pretty telling. Stats don't lie. Is he scoring like he used to in the past, no, but dang on it look at Getzlaf....lol. He is still a good player and a valuable player, just being valuable to a team in a different way and not just by scoring goals. He doesn't have to be scoring 30 goals to be a valuable player to this team. I have no clue what will happen or what Francis is thinking. None of us do. But I don't look at it as Francis delaying negotiations because he is going to offer him a low amount or trying to find a trade. I really do think that Francis/Staal both wanted to see if this team can make a turn and improve. For Francis, is it time to turn the tide and let Eric go or is he still valuable to this team going forward. For Eric, does he see this team being a cup contender and making that turn to being a competitive team year in and year out. Eric has mentioned that he wants to be a part of the turn around and he wants to get this team back to the playoffs. Peters, during one of the interviews he did last week, made a comment that the team wants to stay together and do this together as a team. So he said the team was challenged and to prove that they want to be together. Well, I'd say they are making a case for themselves the last two months. Another comment that Peters made in regards to Eric was....'he is big, strong, every team needs that type of player, WE need that type of player.' It seems Peters/Francis are working together to build a competitive team. If Peters feels they need Eric, are we really ones to say he doesn't belong on the team?
  16. I don't get down the griddy of calculating and projecting points, etc. The NYI have 4 games on hand, but we play them 3 more times, so that's 6 points if we can take all 3 games in regulation. If that hypothetical happened, would that help our cause in moving to a wild card spot? I am seriously trying not to get my hopes up, but dang it's been so long without playoff hockey here in Raleigh. I'm needing it as much as a vampire needs blood.
  17. I doubt we'll see Altshuller any unless Lack completely poops the bed. We have 4 games in 6 nights against Toronto, NYR, Flames, and Hawks. IF, they decide to get Altshuller in, maybe Sunday vs the Flames, but a real #1 should be able to handle 4 games in 6 nights. It's also a good test to see if Lack can take the reigns and be a #1. People always say a goalie has to get in a groove, well now is his chance to get in that groove and prove that he can be a starting goalie in this league. It'll also be good for us to see what we have in Lack, which can then help us make a decision. Although Altshuller is having a great year, let's not forget that he couldn't even get any starts last year in the ECHL as he was that bad. I'd rather this team not rush our goalie prospects, and give them time to grow in the AHL. First things first though, give Lack the reigns and see what he can do. Again, if they want to get Altshuller in, I peg the Calgary game Sunday. Western Conference opponent and not a high danger team.
  18. I thought Nashville could be a trade deadline destination for EStaal, but no longer with this move. The teams that could use him are dwindling. I can only think of possibly Montreal at this point unless a big injury happens now before the deadline.
  19. Yeah, Gerbe for captain is a bit out there. So is Versteeg. As much as we like, the 'C' doesn't go to the guy who puts out the most effort consistently. Especially now a days, teams chose their 'C' base on name and franchise player. Who can they market? Who is the 'franchise' player. I agree with OBXer. If Eric stays, the 'C' will remain with him. If he is traded, we roll with 3 alternates to end the year. Then next year, it'll likely go to Faulk, who i'm not sure is ready yet, but it's the name and he's now the guy for this org.
  20. He was never projected to be a 100 point player. You can't say he was projected to be a 90-100 point player because of 1 season just after the lock out he put up 100 points. EVERY player that year put up higher numbers that season. If you even saw the profile of him in the draft, he was projected to be a great 2-way center, playmaker, that would need to work on his offense. And he can't help that Rutherford paid him to be a 100 point player. If your boss came to you and said i'm going to pay you my salary, are you going to say no i'm not worth that? No your not.
  21. My point was that Staal could get $8M on the open market. People don't want to believe it or say they wouldn't pay him that. That's fine, I frankly wouldn't pay him $8M either, but the main point is that he could very well get $8M. If Kopitar can bring in $9.75M it is not a stretch by any means or would it be a shock if a team offers him $8M. Like I said, there are teams that still value this type of player. As far as plus/minus go. I don't know but i'd say Quick is >>>>>>>>>>>> any goalie this team has ever put out there. How many softies a night does Quick give up? I don't ever put much stock in +/- as there are 5 other guys out there they need to keep the puck out of the net. It's a worthless stat, IMO. If a guy just jumps over the boards and team is scored on, guess what, that guy gets a -, but he wasn't the fault of that goal. Like I said, I don't frankly care either way, but you better make sure you are able to fill that position via trade (which you better be prepared to give someone very good up) or in free agency (which I don't see happening) personally. The point is that no one currently on the team is ready to take it. IMHO. Rask is probably about 2 years away where he can really handle #1 center duties for a full season.
  22. Surprise Surprise, but yes there are teams that would be willing to pay EStaal $8M. Let's do a little comparison. Anze Kopitar, rumoured that he is close to resigning in LA for 8 years, $9.75M per year. Now ask yourself, is Kopitar worth $9.75M per year? Would you pay Kopitar that? You now ask if Staal is worth $8M to a team, well let's do a compare: Player A 2009-10 - 70 points 2010-11 - 76 points 2011-12 - 70 points 2012-13 - 53 points (lock-out year) 2013-14 - 61 points 2014-15 - 54 points 2015-16 - 19 points (currently) Player B 2009-10 - 80 points 2010-11 - 73 points 2011-12 - 76 points 2012-13 - 42 points (lock-out year) 2013-14 - 70 points 2014-15 - 64 points 2015-16 - 20 points (currently) Whose Who? Player A = Eric Staal Player B = Anze Kopitar Not a whole lot of difference eh? And this with Kopitar playing on a better team with better linemates. Look, I get people are just over Eric, but he is not the problem with this team. Eric was never going to be an 80-90 point player. He was projected to be a 65-75 point player and he has been that since he came into the league. I'm not sure what else people are expecting him to do. He can't carry this team to the playoffs all on his own. Want to blame someone for this team missing the playoffs in 6 now going on 7 years, well look no further than Jim Rutherford. He wasted the prime years of Staal by not bringing in another top talent. Look at teams who are make the playoffs: Chicago (Towes/Kane), Pittsburgh (Crosby/Malkin), Caps (Ovie/Backstrom), Tampa (Stamkos/St Louis(when he was there); etc. Who'd we have Staal/LaRose? My point being is that I get people are tired of Eric and tired of losing. But he isn't the problem. And he isn't awful as most like to think. Yes, he's had down years so far this year and last, but again, so did the whole team. Again, look to JR. How many other teams do you know of, that don't resign a player and that player can't find another job in the NHL. Shoot, I've lost count at how many players left this team and couldn't find another job and either retired or went overseas to play. That to me screams that we iced an awful team. If the guys we iced, couldn't even find another NHL team to take them, do we think we actually had a good enough team to compete for the playoffs. Heck No we didn't and well we didn't. I mean just look what JR is doing to the Pittsburgh Penguins now. Although, that's quite funny to me. And even texted my brother the day they announced it that "good, he can go ruin that franchise like he ruined ours", and that he is doing. When it comes to Eric, I don't have my hate glasses on for the guy. I'm neutral. If Francis and Peters think that he can help this team moving forward (which I think Francis has them going in the right direction), then I won't question if they resign him. And if he decides the team needs to move on from Eric, then I won't question it either. But to loop back to the beginning, where ever Eric goes, don't be shocked if he signs for $8M per, teams do still value that type of player.
  23. And the same can be said about Lack. I'm with you where I think we sign Ward, but only because Lack has proved useless. We keep riding Cam, because sadly, he has been the better goalie of the two and that isn't saying much. I'm not sure what is going on with Lack as he played so well in Vancouver, but the guy can't seem to get it together here. Maybe it's too many tacos, I don't know. The goaltending situation scares me. Even if this team can get it together, the goalies we have now, I just have no faith in. They can't stop a beach ball at this point, neither one. And the ones in Charlotte are not ready for the big time. This is why I think Cam is signed again. There just aren't any options with Lack being less than average to this point. I think they were hoping that Lack would outplay Cam, but that just hasn't happened.
  24. Faulk is going nowhere unless it's to get Patrick Kane. For Johansen, I would do Skinner + Murphy or Slavin + 2nd 2016. Not sure if Columbus would bite at that though. This team has needed Defense help for years. Now that Faulk is actually proving to be a legit Top 2 D-man you don't trade him now. Hanifin looks to be the real deal, but you need more than 1 season out of him. Not to mention, a Faulk/Hanifin pair could quite frankly be one of the best in the NHL in a few years. The only positive on this team is the young D, you don't just go trade them away now.
  25. That's pretty much what I took from his comments. He has said prior that he wants to be a part of this team's turn around and wants to help them get back into the playoffs. I know people talk about what a horrible captain he is (which surprises me that so many fans get to be in the locker room) but believe it or not he does care. Do you really think he wants to be the captain that doesn't get his team to the playoffs. I have no doubt that he does want to be a part of the turn around. To me, it sounds like he wants to stay and would probably take a discount to stay (some team will pay him more), but if Francis says his services aren't needed, then he isn't going to cry about it and he'll move on.
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