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  1. [quote name='caniac-97 wrote: TheBigKahuna']The Canes organization is loaded to the gills with offensive minded defensemen....throughout the system. Practically every single d-man they have signed is cut from that pattern. It's kind of silly, and ridiculous. If any of those kids looks decent, JR has to think about moving a few of them for some solid defenders. Pits and Ruutu will be trade deadline bait if the team is struggling. But those two will probably have to play an instrumental role for this team to be in the post-season hunt. The teams ranking will play THE role in who is moved at the deadline. Right now, the Canes are loaded with prospects though, especially centers and defensemen. If Rutherford was looking to simply rid himself of Samsonov, they most likely would have bought him out. I think Sergei stays. And Cole is part of the "family", he's not going to be traded again. I can't see it happening....and who'd want him? He's done absolutely nothing to warrant more than a league minimum salary in 3 years. a buyout doesn't negate spending real money and right now it appears they don't want to spend real money. we are at the bottom of the cap so that isn't an issue but paying Sammy a few mil NOT to play for us is still a hit in the wallet. Exactly, we would still have to pay 2/3 of his salary and have him on the books for an additional year. A Samsonov buyout would not have helped us.
  2. Yeah, that's probably what JR has been working on this past month. It might take a deal like that, but JR won't give up any of our prospects just to rid us of Samsonov's salary. I'm hoping for something like Samsonov and a low pick for a low pick, and we get our pick back if he hits a certain number of points or goals. low risk for a team if money isn't an issue for them, or if they need to take on more salary. Anything at this point to get Samsonov's salary off the books is fine, especially since it allows room for another prospect.
  3. [quote name='coastal_caniac wrote: Sutter16 wrote: coastal_caniac']Feel free to share your knowledge with the rest of us by giving us your rankings. Based on your comments, I'd like to see just where you have the top-10. I find it interesting you don't believe Nash was signed to compete for the third-line center position. I'll admit I haven't watched him play in college, but everything I have read suggests he is likely ready to play some amount of time with the big club, if not make the team out of camp. Also, I did see him in person at the prospects camp and it was apparent to me in the first few drills he was heads above everyone with the exception of Skinner. That certainly played into my rankings. Also, I find it intersting that no one but myself had Justin Peters ranked in our top-10 prospects. I didn't say he wouldn't compete for 3rd line center, obviously he will and he's the front runner right now, but it would better serve him to start in the AHL, similar to how McBain was handled last year. Not many players can step right from juniors/college into the NHL. He'll compete primarily with Dalpe, but I guess the organization would rather rush him than Dalpe, which I would agree with. I don't think Skinner will really compete for 3rd line center duty, he's a winger in the NHL and there's no use starting him at center. We'll most likely have some winger injured and Skinner will start the year with the Canes on the 9 or 10 game period where the first year of ELC won't kick in, and be sent back down to juniors. Honestly, I really don't want him playing anymore than that this year, we have too many forwards and Skinner has a chance to build on his crazy goal total in juniors this year and once we can dump Cole and Sammy we'll have more forward openings for Skinner next year. 11-12 will be a great year, if we play it right we'll have no bad contracts and be even younger than this year. As for my list of prospects, I would go something like this: 1a. McBain 1b. Skinner For various reasons, overall skill, their ceiling, and what McBain has showed in the NHL to this point. No doubt they're our top two, but I can't really put one in front of the other at this point, McBain has 4 years on Skinner so they're at different points in their development. 3. Dalpe 4. Boychuk 5a. Faulk 5b. Doumilin 7a. Bowman 7b. Nash 9. Sanguinetti 10. Osala There are a couple groups of players that are on the same level/I can't put one in front of the other, so my top 10 is basically this group. Okay, seems like a well-thought out top-10. Interesting you have Faulk and Duomolin placed ahead of Peters and Bowman though, but its your list. Tlusty is getting no love from anyone either. I do agree outside the top-2 its up for grabs. Also, everyone can't stay in Charlotte unless we sign more forwards, so some of this group will have to play with the big club. It could be a revolving door between Charlotte and Raleigh. As far as Skinner I agree, logic would dictate he plays the 9 games in Raleigh and heads back to Kitchener. That will be interesting to see play out. Didn't add Tlusty because I don't feel he's a prospect anymore, especially since he's on a 1-way deal now.
  4. [quote name='coastal_caniac wrote: Sutter16']Everyone here is overrating Nash. Yes he's a good prospect, but not as good as McBain, Skinner, Boychuk, Dalpe(who seems to be vastly underrated here), or even Doumilin. I think a general lack of knowledge of all our prospects is fueling this, as well as "Ronnie likes the guy, he must be amazing" comments. Just because Francis likes him, doesn't mean he's going to seamlessly step into the NHL as our 3rd line center, Dalpe has more experience than he does. And the Carson, Borer, Rodney types are not prospects anymore. Feel free to share your knowledge with the rest of us by giving us your rankings. Based on your comments, I'd like to see just where you have the top-10. I find it interesting you don't believe Nash was signed to compete for the third-line center position. I'll admit I haven't watched him play in college, but everything I have read suggests he is likely ready to play some amount of time with the big club, if not make the team out of camp. Also, I did see him in person at the prospects camp and it was apparent to me in the first few drills he was heads above everyone with the exception of Skinner. That certainly played into my rankings. Also, I find it intersting that no one but myself had Justin Peters ranked in our top-10 prospects. I didn't say he wouldn't compete for 3rd line center, obviously he will and he's the front runner right now, but it would better serve him to start in the AHL, similar to how McBain was handled last year. Not many players can step right from juniors/college into the NHL. He'll compete primarily with Dalpe, but I guess the organization would rather rush him than Dalpe, which I would agree with. I don't think Skinner will really compete for 3rd line center duty, he's a winger in the NHL and there's no use starting him at center. We'll most likely have some winger injured and Skinner will start the year with the Canes on the 9 or 10 game period where the first year of ELC won't kick in, and be sent back down to juniors. Honestly, I really don't want him playing anymore than that this year, we have too many forwards and Skinner has a chance to build on his crazy goal total in juniors this year and once we can dump Cole and Sammy we'll have more forward openings for Skinner next year. 11-12 will be a great year, if we play it right we'll have no bad contracts and be even younger than this year. As for my list of prospects, I would go something like this: 1a. McBain 1b. Skinner For various reasons, overall skill, their ceiling, and what McBain has showed in the NHL to this point. No doubt they're our top two, but I can't really put one in front of the other at this point, McBain has 4 years on Skinner so they're at different points in their development. 3. Dalpe 4. Boychuk 5a. Faulk 5b. Doumilin 7a. Bowman 7b. Nash 9. Sanguinetti 10. Osala There are a couple groups of players that are on the same level/I can't put one in front of the other, so my top 10 is basically this group.
  5. [quote name='10DollarTH wrote: Sutter16']Everyone here is overrating Nash. Yes he's a good prospect, but not as good as McBain, Skinner, Boychuk, Dalpe(who seems to be vastly underrated here), or even Doumilin. I think a general lack of knowledge of all our prospects is fueling this, as well as "Ronnie likes the guy, he must be amazing" comments. Just because Francis likes him, doesn't mean he's going to seamlessly step into the NHL as our 3rd line center, Dalpe has more experience than he does. And the Carson, Borer, Rodney types are not prospects anymore. I agree that Dalpe is underrated, but I think that is because of a lack of knowledge of him, Alot of people haven't seen him play either in person or on tv. With Nash he is probably a little overrated but I think alot of that has to do with what I and probably others saw at the prospects conditioning camp. He was the only one other than Skinner who didn't look like he was a kid just entering his professional career, and I know he was playing against other prospects but he definitely looked like he was in a different class. I noticed him out of everyone without knowing any of their numbers almost instantly, like literally within 2 or 3 drills, so I think that is why he may be a little bit overhyped as opposed to Dalpe, hopefully he's the real deal and we can trade that enormous salary thats sitting on the first line in a year or two(yes that is a joke, although some probably agree with that statement) That's because he isn't a kid just getting drafted, he has 3 years on most players there. 21 year olds should look better than the 18 year olds. However, people should not expect that to translate into instant NHL success. He has no professional experience whatsoever, and just like everyone else it'll take him time to adjust. It would be best for his development to start in Charlotte.
  6. Everyone here is overrating Nash. Yes he's a good prospect, but not as good as McBain, Skinner, Boychuk, Dalpe(who seems to be vastly underrated here), or even Doumilin. I think a general lack of knowledge of all our prospects is fueling this, as well as "Ronnie likes the guy, he must be amazing" comments. Just because Francis likes him, doesn't mean he's going to seamlessly step into the NHL as our 3rd line center, Dalpe has more experience than he does. And the Carson, Borer, Rodney types are not prospects anymore.
  7. Yup, we have enough 2nd/3rd line tweeners as it is. If we're spending money on a winger, or assets in the form of a trade, it better be for a 1st liner. And don't get your hopes up for the D, my guess is that we'll see Brett Carson sign for about 600k and then our D will be set.
  8. JR said size doesn't matter with our pick, and also said that there are 2 guys we want, and he's confident we'll get one of them. Granlund or Burmistrov.
  9. I still don't buy into management going for Johansen. I'm sure he is a great prospect and will be a good player, but I just have a feeling that we will not take him if he's there at 7. Also JR has been saying that our pick will most likely play here next year, and Johansen is still a year out at best from professional hockey.
  10. [quote name='rocheccw wrote: Sutter16']There are over 5 picks we could make a 7 that would not be a mistake, there is so much uncertainty on where everyone sits in the rankings after hall and seguin, so there's no guarantee that he will be available if we trade down. Also I highly doubt that either team gives up two firsts only to move up 5 or 6 spots. He's the top rated European skater, and has been all year. What makes him more of a mid-first guy? His size isn't an issue, in his draft profile they raved all about him and how he played in a Mens league as an 17 year old and scored at a ppg pace. The profile also made a point of saying that the Finnish league was the one that most likened the NHL style of play, meaning it is a great gauge of his future success in the NHL. He's not like Burmistrov, he's a solid 180 and still could get bigger. What makes you think that Granlund doesn't have that upside? From what I see everyone thinks he has the potential to excel greatly in this league, and to start playing next year. JR also said that he hopes our pick will play here next season, Johansen has no hope of playing in the NHL next year. Both players have great upside, but for now I have to think that Granlund is who we'll take. Also having 3 finns on the team already helps. Of course if any of the big 3 fall to us, we will take them. I really hope Gormley does. If he doesn't, we'll go Granlund, Burmistrov or Johansen. Again, I'm not saying that he doesn't have upside. I would hope anyone picked at 7 has plenty of upside. Yes, he is #1 ES, but ISS has him #15, TSN #13, and Hockey News at #10. I think he would be a great pick between 10-15, and a steal after that. I would just rather have Nino at #7. Yes, in TFEL he had almost a PPG pace, but only 13 goals in 43 games. Yes, I realize it was against older players. I still would try to trade down, and pick him at 12 or 13. Maybe the Canes would have to throw in a 2nd to make the trade work, but I believe either Granlund, Burmistrov, Skinner, or one of the next level of D would be available at 12 or 13. It could all change depending on the situation when we're up tomorrow night, but I doubt we'll move down. Say we don't take Granlund at 7 (maybe Gormley falls to us) I would be willing to bet he's scooped up by Minnesota at 9. From 3-15 there's no real set order because they are all good prospects, so I agree we'll still get a good player if we traded down to 12 or 13. But I get the feeling that management is dead set on Granlund at this point and will not risk trading down if he's there at 7. For all we know, Nino could be gone before we pick at 7, and maybe JR knows that so isn't even bothering to talk about him. That would bode well for our chances at Gormley. And the reason he only scored 13 goals (still very good, over 20 goal pace for full 82 NHL schedule) is because he is a big time playmaker, his game is to set his teammates up and make whoever is playing with him better.
  11. We didn't even interview Connolly, so I would say we have no interest in him and his injuries.
  12. I want Tinordi. Just the type of defenseman we need.
  13. [quote name='rocheccw wrote: witchking-ch1 wrote: Sounds like El Nino isn't our top pick. Which bums me out. Bums me out too, but maybe it is just smoke screening. I got depressed at the end when he posted his list & Nino was the last name on it. I now believe that Johansen will be the pick if he is still there. He was third on Paul's list even ahead of Gormley. I still think Johansen benefited from playing with Nino, but it looks like the Canes see it the other way around. If we pick Granlund at #7 I think I will lose my dinner. If this is the guy then trade down with either ANA(12 & 29) or PHX(13 & 22), and pick up another 1st rounder. Then take the best D available with that 2nd first round pick. Then keep all 3 picks in the 2nd round. That would be 5 picks in the top 60. Connolly injury history scares me. Skinner is a natural goal score, but needs to work on his skating & D. Burmistrov( I just can't see JR taking a Russian at # 7)Not sure why you don't like Granlund, the only knock people have are his size, which obviously wasn't an issue in the Finnish Elite League last year and, as management has said, won't be an issue in the NHL...He will be an amazing player wherever he goes. Your two trades are completely unrealistic, neither team would give up a late 1st round only to move up 5 spots. JR has also made it clear that we are staying at 7. We actually heard it from JR first
  14. This isn't what he said. He said we would be competitive now.
  15. We're not drafting Nino or Johansen, and he is in no way our highest rated forward. I don't buy all this interest in Johansen one bit. It's more likely that we want teams to think we're interested so they think that the higher talent (Grandlund/Burmistrov) will fall to them. This prevents teams in the 8-12 range leapfrogging us and taking the player we really want, Granlund. This is what I think our list looks like: 1. Top 3 if they fall 2. Granlund 3. Burmistrov 4. Johansen 5. Skinner I don't buy this Campbell talk either. Their have been reports that he could surprise with how high he goes, so by dropping that we are interested we might make other teams who really want him uneasy. This could cause them to trade up in front of us and let the players we really want fall down to us. I'll say Gormley if he's there, if not we go Granlund. Also I will throw out I think we'll give up two of our 2nds for a player or to get back into the 1st. If we get Gormley, then I predict that we'll trade two 2nds, or maybe even a prospect and a 2nd, for Versteeg. If we draft Granlund, we'll package two 2nds to get back into the 1st and draft Tinordi.
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