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What do you think is the Teams main problem/problems are so far this year?

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wasn't there an NFL playoff game some years ago where one team was getting its butt kicked and was down by thirty some points at half-time but managed the lose the game.   After that game the owner fired the entire coachig staff. After tonight's game someone needs to go and it should be the stick boy.

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Thee is only one problem that is directly correlated to the teams lack of success...THE COACH.  He should never have been rehired and all of the apologists need to wake up and face reality.  He sucked here for years and he sucked in Toronto.  That is why he was stuck in the replay booth in Toronto and not hired again to coach in the NHL.  He sucks as a coach, bottom line.  If he isn't feeling the heat yet then he never will.  Nobody coaches a team into ablivion this long and keeps their job.  Fire him!
Would we have turned around last season and gone to the Eastern Conference finals?

  

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Time to add my .01 cents worth after tonight's debacle against the Thrashers.

I think we can all agree that Maurice has lost the room. It's very clear and it's a shame the Canes gave him a multi-year contract. If he's let go we will be paying both Mo and Lavi, and IMO with our small market mentality we aren't going to be able to hire another coach. That leads us to either RonnieFranchise taking over or moving back upstairs and allowing Rowe and any combination of our assistants in Raleigh or Albany to help out. Since we'll be paying Mo anyways put him upstairs to do something...advanced scouting, European scouting, something other than coaching this team!

Now on to our beloved Canes. I love these guys, but it's time for JR to step up and do what he's been avoiding doing the last four seasons: rebuild. In all honesty I do not want us to be the least bit respectable with the current team we put on the ice. If we are going to stink up the joint drop a bomb in 09-10 and get the #1 or #2 draft pick. It's extremely hard this day and age to mess that pick up and we need an NHL caliber rookie like no other team.

Who to Trade (and just because I list them doesn't mean I dislike them, I just think these are the guys that can bring something of value back, who are in their last years, and who won't be Canes come next season) Note I will not list Scott Walker or Nic Wallin because they have NTCs which I believe neither would waive:

Ray Whitney: love the guy to pieces, but he can bring back quality youth and picks. I don't see him around next season just because of what's happening this season. JR has to see that you can only be SO old.

Matt Cullen: See Whitney, Ray above.

Sergei Samsonov: If I could have dinner with Sergei I would tell him how impressive his puck handling is......and then I'd drop a few f-bombs and ask him why he doesn't shoot more and finish those beautiful moves! I think Sergei needs the motivation of only having a one year contract and I really do believe the guy cares about this team and his teammates, but he doesn't help us this season or in the future. He should be on the available list.

Chad LaRose: Heart and soul, great teammate, at his best a 3rd Liner, terrific 4th line grinder with a little finish. I know there are a lot of Rosie fans out there and I love the fight and spirit he brings, but he just can't finish at this level. Last year was his career year and he got paid. I wouldn't put him on this list if his pay was a little less. I would hope he could bring something back, but I am thinking we won't see him moved.

Rod Brind'Amour: Yes, the Captain. He won't get us a lot in return, but his playing days are numbered and maybe we can get a little something from a contender for his leadership and face-off ability when he's on, plus maybe he can get his name on the Cup once more.

Stephane Yelle: 4th liner, old, one year signing.....trade him for some draft picks and clear salary.

Tim Conboy: I don't know why we held onto this guy. He's never impressed me, can't win a fight and what exactly does he play? Offense or defense? Maybe some draft picks could be had? Maybe?

Joe Corvo: He won't be back with us next year, excels on better teams, and is one of our guys that can bring back something of value. Trade ole' Scorvo while the trading's good.

Aaron Ward: WTH happened to this guy? He plays great in his last year here, great in Boston, and now he looks washed up. I think he came back thinking he retired. Move him out to someone who wants him, shed the salary pick up some youth or draft picks.

Andrew Alberts: I swear every game I have seen this guy has fallen down and turned the puck over at least once. He's a big guy, but clearly not the type of defensemen we need. TRADE HIM.

Micheal Leighton: Legace is Cam's backup, he's proven it over these last two weeks. Leighton is a career AHLer who will never be a consistent NHL goalie. Trade him, waive him, drop his salary.

Jay Harrison: Oh who the heck am I kidding? He's only here because he's one of Mo's boys.

Who to Keep/Bring Up:

Staal, Ruutu, Jokinen, Cole, Sutter, Kostopoulos (playing pretty well and has a reasonable one year deal), Walker (when healthy plays hard and adds toughness, plus he has a NTC), Wallin (isn't terrible this year, no one would want him and he has a NTC gone after this year), Boychuk, Samson, Dwyer, Ryan (is he healthy again?), McBain, Rodney (I can't figure this guy out, if someone asks for him in a package deal, trade him), Carson, and anyone we get in trade for the above mentioned players.

Yes, this will be painful, but you have to hit rock bottom before starting your ascent back when you are in a freefall like we are.

The kids will be thrown into the fire, but I can't see the results being much worse than what's going on now.

JR: leave the memories behind, look forward NOW!

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you are all living in FANtasy land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could use some clarification here.

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Oh and since I didn't clearly state in my original post what our problems are:

1.) Coaching

2.) Team Age (along with speed)

3.) Terrible Defense

4.) Bad Luck (Injuries, Coaching, bad bounces)

5.) Team on paper didn't equate to on-ice product

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Who to Trade (and just because I list them doesn't mean I dislike them, I just think these are the guys that can bring something of value back, who are in their last years, and who won't be Canes come next season) Note I will not list Scott Walker or Nic Wallin because they have NTCs which I believe neither would waive:

Ray Whitney: love the guy to pieces, but he can bring back quality youth and picks. I don't see him around next season just because of what's happening this season. JR has to see that you can only be SO old.

Matt Cullen: See Whitney, Ray above.

Sergei Samsonov: If I could have dinner with Sergei I would tell him how impressive his puck handling is......and then I'd drop a few f-bombs and ask him why he doesn't shoot more and finish those beautiful moves! I think Sergei needs the motivation of only having a one year contract and I really do believe the guy cares about this team and his teammates, but he doesn't help us this season or in the future. He should be on the available list.

Chad LaRose: Heart and soul, great teammate, at his best a 3rd Liner, terrific 4th line grinder with a little finish. I know there are a lot of Rosie fans out there and I love the fight and spirit he brings, but he just can't finish at this level. Last year was his career year and he got paid. I wouldn't put him on this list if his pay was a little less. I would hope he could bring something back, but I am thinking we won't see him moved.

Rod Brind'Amour: Yes, the Captain. He won't get us a lot in return, but his playing days are numbered and maybe we can get a little something from a contender for his leadership and face-off ability when he's on, plus maybe he can get his name on the Cup once more.

Stephane Yelle: 4th liner, old, one year signing.....trade him for some draft picks and clear salary.

Tim Conboy: I don't know why we held onto this guy. He's never impressed me, can't win a fight and what exactly does he play? Offense or defense? Maybe some draft picks could be had? Maybe?

Joe Corvo: He won't be back with us next year, excels on better teams, and is one of our guys that can bring back something of value. Trade ole' Scorvo while the trading's good.

Aaron Ward: WTH happened to this guy? He plays great in his last year here, great in Boston, and now he looks washed up. I think he came back thinking he retired. Move him out to someone who wants him, shed the salary pick up some youth or draft picks.

Andrew Alberts: I swear every game I have seen this guy has fallen down and turned the puck over at least once. He's a big guy, but clearly not the type of defensemen we need. TRADE HIM.

Micheal Leighton: Legace is Cam's backup, he's proven it over these last two weeks. Leighton is a career AHLer who will never be a consistent NHL goalie. Trade him, waive him, drop his salary.

Jay Harrison: Oh who the heck am I kidding? He's only here because he's one of Mo's boys.

Who to Keep/Bring Up:

Staal, Ruutu, Jokinen, Cole, Sutter, Kostopoulos (playing pretty well and has a reasonable one year deal), Walker (when healthy plays hard and adds toughness, plus he has a NTC), Wallin (isn't terrible this year, no one would want him and he has a NTC gone after this year), Boychuk, Samson, Dwyer, Ryan (is he healthy again?), McBain, Rodney (I can't figure this guy out, if someone asks for him in a package deal, trade him), Carson, and anyone we get in trade for the above mentioned players.

Yes, this will be painful, but you have to hit rock bottom before starting your ascent back when you are in a freefall like we are.

The kids will be thrown into the fire, but I can't see the results being much worse than what's going on now.

JR: leave the memories behind, look forward NOW!

Ray Whitney has a no movement clause. But i think he'll probably lift it if needed. He can potentially bring us 1st round pick at the deadline

Cullen - great trade bait. I am hoping for a second round pick at the deadline.

Samsonov and Larose have no trade value with their overpaid contracts that go into the next year. We'd have to pay someone to take them.

Yelle, Conboy - absolutely no trade value. They both passed waivers and nobody wanted them for free.

Joe Corvo - good trade value. Might bring us 2nd rounder at the deadline.

Aaron Ward - damaged goods. If we are lucky and a playoff bound team is REALLY hurting on defense he might get us 4-7 round pick depending on how lucky we are.

Alberts - no trade value. Not kind of a player who gets rented at the deadline.

Kostopoulos - Just a correction. He has 3 years contract, not one year as was mentioned above. Good 4th liner/energy guy, but not the guy that will get you back anything of a trade value.

Leighton - no trade value.

Jay Harrison - who cares, he is on 2 way contract and playing in Albany.

Cole - highly overpaid 3rd liner. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him for the duration of his contract.

Walker - another veteran who is getting 2.5 mil a year and plays dozen games a year between medical leaves. Dead weight.

Ryan, Dwyer are really career AHLers just like Bayda and Aucoin used to be for us.

Rodney is your #6 or 7 defenceman/PP specialist. Reminds me of Andrew Hutchitson.

So... Staal, Ruutu, Pitkanen, Jokinen, C. Ward, Sutter, youngins and hopefully 1st overall should build the core of the team for next few years.

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How can a team that went to the Conference Finals last year (albeit they got smashed by the Penguins), and battled every step of the way, find itself last night giving up 5 goals in the 3rd period and blowing a 3 goal lead? How can "confidence" go from a deep playoff run to implosion? Forslund had been mentioning in the beginning of our slide that there is no problem in the locker room, guys are up beat, supportive, etc. I haven't heard him say that in the last several weeks during postgame comments or radio interviews.

I don't know why I love this team. I feel like crossing over to my old team, the Blackhawks, but they have Hossa now.

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There simply is no leadership. JR's patience is actually working against the Canes. I wasn't expecting a quote from Cullie in today's N&O, or from Manny after the Ducks loss.

How long can you listen to "no confidence" for? Ask yourself, if I'm rebuilding, then who is best to lead that effort? You'd quickly change the profile of the bench and lineup - so do it!

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How can a team that went to the Conference Finals last year (albeit they got smashed by the Penguins), and battled every step of the way, find itself last night giving up 5 goals in the 3rd period and blowing a 3 goal lead? How can "confidence" go from a deep playoff run to implosion? Forslund had been mentioning in the beginning of our slide that there is no problem in the locker room, guys are up beat, supportive, etc. I haven't heard him say that in the last several weeks during postgame comments or radio interviews.

I don't know why I love this team. I feel like crossing over to my old team, the Blackhawks, but they have Hossa now.

Pick one:

1) You say "battled".  Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome?  Oh wait, the other playoff teams battled too.  Whoops.

2) Southern teams are nice bridges to retirement.  I used to work for IBM.  People always tried to get transferred to Florida so they could go into retirement mode.

Who knows?  I'm baffled.

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My only thought on the trades mentioned is this. Don't trade a proven NHL player for a second round pick unless it is a pure salary dump. At least get a prospect.

Why not to make any moves now:

1. All the previous moves have given us this. Take a breath. Think the whole plan over.

2. Probably tough to get good value this far from the deadline. If there were ever any doubt let it be clear now, there will be no playoffs in Raleigh this year.

3. Getting that top pick takes serious losing. There's always some team also going for it. You can't fix things and start winning, you need to keep losing.

Just keep things the same for at least another month and dig a nice hole. So far we're right on schedule.

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I think somewhat like Remkin.  Until the cup contenders get hungry for those last few pieces we do nothing.  Don't go dumping salary without some return.  I've said this before, its going to be a long December. I just don't see how JR is going to fix this mess by trading players now and get any return.  I have never been a Mo Must Go guy but I will say this.  He prefers a veteran team and always has.  That's what perplexed me when JR signed him to a 3-year contract knowing the rebuild was around the corner.  I just don't see how we can rebuild, bringing on and up alot of youth with him behind the bench, unless we want to ruin some youthful careers.  IMO, that's more of a problem than the prediciment we find ourselves in now, if you look past this season into the future.   

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I think somewhat like Remkin.  Until the cup contenders get hungry for those last few pieces we do nothing.  Don't go dumping salary without some return.  I've said this before, its going to be a long December. I just don't see how JR is going to fix this mess by trading players now and get any return.  I have never been a Mo Must Go guy but I will say this.  He prefers a veteran team and always has.  That's what perplexed me when JR signed him to a 3-year contract knowing the rebuild was around the corner.  I just don't see how we can rebuild, bringing on and up alot of youth with him behind the bench, unless we want to ruin some youthful careers.  IMO, that's more of a problem than the prediciment we find ourselves in now, if you look past this season into the future.   
You make a good point about Mo and vetrans. If this month succeeds in keeping in the basement and we go into full on rebuild, it probably makes sense to look at one of the guys who has coached young guys in the AHL. I would think Tom Rowe maybe. Jeff Daniels would have the advantage of not currenlty being a part of this mess. I still think Mo may be better than we think, but after last night I am losing my support of Mo by the day.

  

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What do I think is the team's main problem/problems?  Everything except goaltending.

I'm pretty much in agreement with remkin and coastal that it's darn near impossible to fix this mess right now as far as moving players.  The demand isn't there.  We have a couple of guys with little trade value that somebody might would want (injury replacement only) but wouldn't be willing to give anything for.  J.R. may be able to shed a little salary and bring up a Rat.  Until things get closer to the trade deadline, that's probably about it.  Somebody may come calling for Cullen,Whitney, and possibly Corvo but that's all I see a real demand for (players that are desireable with expiring contracts).

Mo is another story.  Bringing Mo back last season paid dividends.  We don't know what J.R.'s deal was with Mo when he came back so it's hard to question too much the signing over the summer.  The three years is what makes me question the deal.  We seem to be stuck now paying two coaches that we don't want in Lavi and Mo.  Firing Mo will bring a third coach onto the payroll.  Here's the big BUT; but are we going to lose more money in revenue by keeping Mo than it would cost to fire him?  The Caniac Nation is about fed up.  Revenues will be plunging.  It may be hard to make trades right now, but a coaching change can be made.  It will cost against the bottom line but not affect the cap.

Something must change.  The team has to be about as low mentally as possible.  Last night had to have been worse than the long losing streak.  I'll bet the Sabres are licking their lips just waiting to pounce on the Canes tonight.  That's what this team will be facing every night.  The Canes are going to skate an emotionally fragile team out onto the ice every night and the opposition is going to be going for blood.  What'll it be J.R.?  We need some change we can count on.  Right now, any change would be a possitive.

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I agree with Coastal, Mo likes veterans and I don't see him as the coach to help rebuild the Canes.

I agree with most of what remkin and Super Dave say as well.  I agree if we are rebuilding many of the trades will be made near deadline but this team has to make a deal now. It doesn't have to be a major deal but we need a trade now.

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I keep looking out here hoping to see a "Mo moved upstairs" announcement. With no luck.

What does this organization keep waiting on???

They should of axed him 12 games ago...

Don't give me that stuff about "paying 3 coaches"....PK has the money. He's gonna lose it either way. Do what is right to keep the fanbase.

Did your 80-year-old ears not hear those "boo's" last night J.R.????

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They might as well be paying zero coaches, because the team had no direction or leadership in the third period. I also agrre with a previous poster that Mo does not seem interested in developing young players. Sutter was one of our best players when Staal was out, now his toi is way down. I am very thankful for what the vets have given to this team, but it's time to move on.

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One of the worst things about this season's debacle is that last season's deep run was actually beginning to attract the attention of sports fans in other markets around the carolinas. Nothing could have been better for the franchise as a whole, but to anyone other than pure hockey enthusiasts it now all looks very flukish and undeserved. I travel all through the carolinas and believe people were taking notice and it was becoming a truly regional following but now. Borderline fans of anything know the difference between losing/having down time and total collapse at many levels as we are seeing now.  As i said in another thread, we give up a 99 yard touchdown every night on 4th and 30 with no time on the clock.  been a fan of the canes for quite some time but Ive never seen anything like this. Sad that even just a competitive season would have kept many of those new fans on board.

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din-ding-ding.....caniacbeej is a winner.

This is not Canada or the NE....they have nothing else to do but watch a losing team.....

Better hang on to what you got...

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When I spoke of moving players it was when we could obtain the best deal, not at this very moment etc. etc.

I know some people don't think certain guys can be traded, but package them for other misfits etc. in bigger deals.  JR is pretty good at this.

We won't be paying another coach to come in, just doesn't seem possible.  Francis, Rowe, or Daniels will be behind the bench before someone is brought in, trust me Karmanos already feels like he has wasted money this year...he doesn't want to waste anymore.

My bad on Krusty...I wish it was only one or two years, but he has played pretty well so that's why I said keep him!

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The team's biggest problem is the Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows Brigade. Until fans insist on a better product and stop buying tickets until they get it, nothing will change. Follow and support the team on radio and TV for free? Sure - because that's about all their play is worth right now - zip. Until they begin playing like they are being paid to, we need to stop feeding the meter. 

I tried posting a small dose of reality over on the "All Positive Thread" and of course it was instantly removed. Tripe like what's being spewed over there is just counterproductive at this point. If you don't believe me, try reading it. Just make sure you're got a plastic bag handy.

 

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Ohhhhhh yeah ts1....that's what my "2 warnings" are for.....my lack of lollipops and rainbows....12 GAMES AGO.

I assure you I spend PLENTY of money on this product....maybe time to stop.

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