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The Canes don't play again until Thursday, and the Rats have games....keeps them active. It's also cheaper.

The Rats have one game on Wednesday.  It's probably has more to do with the cost than anything else.  You pay them at the NHL rate by the day if I'm correct.  They can be back on a plane and with the Canes on Thursday if needed.

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The Canes don't play again until Thursday, and the Rats have games....keeps them active. It's also cheaper.

Thought about that- but do you see them bringing them back up later in week?

We have 15 games in 26 days coming up, as the league tries to cram a ton of games in,  before the Olympic break, and just gets fustrating seeing these young guys look good, show energy that's been missing, and developing some chemistry, only to be sent away and not build on a thing. Give me boychuck and tlusty over watching brindy race to a  -30 , or another slow and uninspired 3rd and 4th line shift

Do you know the rules on who often, we can send these players up/down?

  

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Look, if we keep guys like that up we may claw our way back to about 23rd in the league and then where would we be?
You tell 'em!!!  WE WILL NOT BE DENIED 30th!

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[quote name='caniac-97 wrote:


super-dave-1']Look, if we keep guys like that up we may claw our way back to about 23rd in the league and then where would we be?

You tell 'em!!!  WE WILL NOT BE DENIED 30th!

Of course I agree. Move Brind'Amour back up to the second line. A.Ward into the top 2 and lets get this thing done.

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Plus, the guys they were filling in for might be healthy enough to play on Thursday... so it would be pointless to keep them in NC, letting them miss a game and paying them extra money when they might get sent back to Albany Thursday morning anyway.

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From TTS Blog:

Unless any two of Cole, LaRose and Sergei Samsonov are unable to play by Thursday, the team will again need to turn to Albany for reinforcements. Zach Boychuk and Jiri Tlusty filled that role in Saturday’s 2-1 overtime win against the Rangers, but were later reassigned due to salary cap and budgetary concerns.

Maurice said he would have no problem recalling one or both of them again if needed. While each played around 10 minutes or less on Saturday, they both played well, including an assist from Tlusty on a first-period Tom Kostopoulos goal.

“I was comfortable with Boychuk, and each time he comes up he’s more comfortable with the puck,” said Maurice. “Jiri has some experience, and it shows. He can play left wing or right wing shift after shift and he doesn’t have any problems systems-wise.”

http://fans.hurricanes.nhl.com/topic/16303

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coastal_caniac']Might as well get used to this until closer to the trade deadline, the firesale, or more injuries occur.

When is the trade deadline?

March 3rd, 3pm Eastern

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From TTS Blog:

Unless any two of Cole, LaRose and Sergei Samsonov are unable to play by Thursday, the team will again need to turn to Albany for reinforcements. Zach Boychuk and Jiri Tlusty filled that role in Saturday’s 2-1 overtime win against the Rangers, but were later reassigned due to salary cap and budgetary concerns.

Maurice said he would have no problem recalling one or both of them again if needed. While each played around 10 minutes or less on Saturday, they both played well, including an assist from Tlusty on a first-period Tom Kostopoulos goal.

“I was comfortable with Boychuk, and each time he comes up he’s more comfortable with the puck,” said Maurice. “Jiri has some experience, and it shows. He can play left wing or right wing shift after shift and he doesn’t have any problems systems-wise.”

http://fans.hurricanes.nhl.com/topic/16303

I see both these guys playing regularly by March and next year. They both have great offensive potential.

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Patience grasshoppers.  Contending teams will begin to look around soon.  Remember, there's very little time between the end of the Olympic break and the trade deadline.  Deals could be made prior to that.  I would bet both these players will have an extended chance here to get some experience prior to seasons end.

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With only a couple of days between the end of the Olympic freeze(midnight Feb 12 thru midnight Feb 28) and the trade deadline, we may see some activity sooner rather than later.  It's going to be hectic between March 1 and the deadline on the 3rd.  Would teams like to get those players in prior to the break in order to work with them?

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well looks like would have been much better served ,by instead of 2 round trips to albany/NC they ahd staye , practiced all week with the canes and worked on team chemistry than spend more time traveling than skating..

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well looks like would have been much better served ,by instead of 2 round trips to albany/NC they ahd staye , practiced all week with the canes and worked on team chemistry than spend more time traveling than skating..
not really, you have to factor in x number of days at their minimums of $500-900k at the NHL level to the same number of days at their AHL salary of $40-50k.  something tells me that two round trips are cheaper.

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[quote name='caniac-97 wrote:


canes-in-7']well looks like would have been much better served ,by instead of 2 round trips to albany/NC they ahd staye , practiced all week with the canes and worked on team chemistry than spend more time traveling than skating..

not really, you have to factor in x number of days at their minimums of $500-900k at the NHL level to the same number of days at their AHL salary of $40-50k.  something tells me that two round trips are cheaper.

All about the money and sometimes cap space.  John/Tripp mentioned during the Rangers game that these guys came down on the train and were to go back on the train, so the first trip was pretty cheap.  Sounded like it was always in plan.

Earlier this year, Chicago was constantly shuttling some of their tertiary guys back and forth to Rockford to save money and open cap space.  Since it was an easy drive, they could do this to these poor guys.  Blackhawks shuttle

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[quote name='caniac-97 wrote:


canes-in-7']well looks like would have been much better served ,by instead of 2 round trips to albany/NC they ahd staye , practiced all week with the canes and worked on team chemistry than spend more time traveling than skating..

not really, you have to factor in x number of days at their minimums of $500-900k at the NHL level to the same number of days at their AHL salary of $40-50k.  something tells me that two round trips are cheaper.

might be 'cheaper' by dollars NOW, but IMo sure not "cheaper", in long term returns on your investment in these players, the old penny wise dollar foolish syndrome

To save a little money( and yes even on canes with a $45 mill payroll, the difference miniscule), to not have these players HERE, learning in practice, developing chemistry WITH team,, instead on trains to save some current dollars, and not practicing at all- a waste of the draft picks and future value they can potentially have. 4 full days of being up here and practicing has to be 'worth more" than the money saved on having them taking trains all week.

Guess just fustrated when the river rats also only had 1 game, you would play these games

  

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[quote name='wxray1 wrote:


caniac-97 wrote:

canes-in-7']well looks like would have been much better served ,by instead of 2 round trips to albany/NC they ahd staye , practiced all week with the canes and worked on team chemistry than spend more time traveling than skating..

not really, you have to factor in x number of days at their minimums of $500-900k at the NHL level to the same number of days at their AHL salary of $40-50k.  something tells me that two round trips are cheaper.

All about the money and sometimes cap space.  John/Tripp mentioned during the Rangers game that these guys came down on the train and were to go back on the train, so the first trip was pretty cheap.  Sounded like it was always in plan.

Earlier this year, Chicago was constantly shuttling some of their tertiary guys back and forth to Rockford to save money and open cap space.  Since it was an easy drive, they could do this to these poor guys.  Blackhawks shuttle

2 huge differences, rockford an hour away by car from chicago , not 12 hours like Albany, so can shuttle in a  day and not lose practice time.

Second canes NO WHERE NEAR the cap, and blackhawks at or close to going over- so each penny counts to not go over, heck they got in trouble over summer for trying to stay under cap.

  

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[quote name='canes-in-7 wrote:


wxray1 wrote:

caniac-97']not really, you have to factor in x number of days at their minimums of $500-900k at the NHL level to the same number of days at their AHL salary of $40-50k.  something tells me that two round trips are cheaper.

All about the money and sometimes cap space.  John/Tripp mentioned during the Rangers game that these guys came down on the train and were to go back on the train, so the first trip was pretty cheap.  Sounded like it was always in plan.

Earlier this year, Chicago was constantly shuttling some of their tertiary guys back and forth to Rockford to save money and open cap space.  Since it was an easy drive, they could do this to these poor guys.

2 huge differences, rockford an hour away by car from chicago , not 12 hours like Albany, so can shuttle in a  day and not lose practice time.

Second canes NO WHERE NEAR the cap, and blackhawks at or close to going over- so each penny counts to not go over, heck they got in trouble over summer for trying to stay under cap.

  You sure about that?  We may have gotten a little relief with players on long term injured reserve but J.R. has had to do some juggling just to get clear of the cap to fill the lineup for a couple of games this season.  As close as we have been it's understandable that he's saving where he can.  It's not a matter of penny wise and dollar poor.  No matter what some think here, it's still a business and Karmanos is going to lose for sure this season. 

Edit:

According to    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CAR&season=0910, the Canes have 262k in cap space.  That's technically near the cap if that number is accurate. 

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I 'm confused about the "no where near the cap" comment.  We have been bumping the cap all season.  We got very little relief from Leighton and I could be wrong but I think the only player we put on LT IR to get cap relief is C Ward.  That was also not that much of  a relief.  Please explain your reasoning?

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[quote name='super-dave-1 wrote:


canes-in-7 wrote:

wxray1']All about the money and sometimes cap space.  John/Tripp mentioned during the Rangers game that these guys came down on the train and were to go back on the train, so the first trip was pretty cheap.  Sounded like it was always in plan.

Earlier this year, Chicago was constantly shuttling some of their tertiary guys back and forth to Rockford to save money and open cap space.  Since it was an easy drive, they could do this to these poor guys.

2 huge differences, rockford an hour away by car from chicago , not 12 hours like Albany, so can shuttle in a  day and not lose practice time.

Second canes NO WHERE NEAR the cap
, and blackhawks at or close to going over- so each penny counts to not go over, heck they got in trouble over summer for trying to stay under cap.

  
You sure about that?  We may have gotten a little relief with players on long term injured reserve but J.R. has had to do some juggling just to get clear of the cap to fill the lineup for a couple of games this season.  As close as we have been it's understandable that he's saving where he can.  It's not a matter of penny wise and dollar poor.  No matter what some think here, it's still a business and Karmanos is going to lose for sure this season. 

Edit:

According to    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CAR&season=0910, the Canes have 262k in cap space.  That's technically near the cap if that number is accurate. Wow, my mistake, that makes more sense hard to beleive with only  ONE superstar to pay we are that close to cap, but stand corrected

and not to start a new argument,but why are teams like chicago and detriot at over 59.5 million, if cap is 56.6 million?

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=CHI&season=0910

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET&season=0910

heck have toronto at 62 mill +

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=TOR&season=0910

Edit:  ok see it now, they count bonuses not earned, so looks over cap, when may not be( and even if puts over added to next years cap)

      

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