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Funny, I was just thinking of starting a Jussi appreciation thread myself after reading the nice writeup faceoff did in the GDT. As lousy as our defensive chemistry has been, our offensive chemistry has gone from mediocre to excellent in the last month or so. But Jussi has been having a great year even before that. He and Pitkanen work very well together, and he is fitting in really well with the resurgent Staal and reliable Whitney. He is also a +2, which ties him with K-stop as our top defensive forward. I look forward to seeing him for a long time. Gotta say though, Tampa obviously used him poorly and he was caught up in that mess there last year, which made him look less stable than he was.

Have to add...JR has a knack for finding these guys. I think Jussi's acquisition is going to go down as one of the best deals he ever made, even though it wasn't on Droschak's list earlier this year. If Jussi gets 50 this year, it'll be the second time in the last two years JR has paid virtually nothing for a guy only to have him get 50 for us the next year (Sammy being the other...and after checking I see he only had 48 last year, but still). And both guys were crucial in our playoff run last year.

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Yea i have thought that he has steadily improved all year on the backcheck, and he's one hard worker in dirty areas around the net. But to beat Miller with a slapper last night adds a new dimension still. On the fly placed that shot almost perfect, and I bet Miller hasn't been beat all season with that shot.

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Jussi Jokinen is fast becoming one of our best offensive players- all he has to do is score a goal every other game from here to the end of the season (which I think he can easily do) and he will be a 30 goal scorer, a valuable asset in this league. And the best part is, next year we are paying him only 1.9 million dollars! Granted though, he is going to deserve a huge pay raise if he continues this tear into next year and beyond. The only reason I think John Forslund did not put Jussi into the 6 untouchables is because he may be priced out of Carolina if he has another year like this next year.. can we afford to keep both Jussi and Joni? 

At todays game, Ill be rooting for more points for Jussi, my new favorite Canegrin.gif

Miller can thank the Hockey Gods that Jussi is not in the Olympics..he seemed in shock before realizing that he had let in such a goal

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In the last 20 games Jussi has scored 11 goals and 12 assists.  That's a 94 pt. a year scoring pace since Christmas!  I thought last year he had the potential to be a solid 60 pt. a year guy, and it is looking like that will easily be the case this year.  With the first line minutes and power play time he is getting now, I think you are right.  He may be a 30+ goal, 70 to 80 point guy next year.

Picking up Jussi for a song and a bag of used pucks may turn out to be the best move JR has ever made with the Hurricanes.  Might be smart to try and negotiate a contract extension with Jussi this off-season.

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Jussi is my favorite as you can see my avator lol. He's a cool guy on and off the ice. Everytime I see him on the ice, I'll think to myself that something's gonna happen.

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Very nice NHL.com article on Jussi:

Jussi on NHL.com

Jokinen showing he's not just a one-trick pony

and the shootout go together like spaghetti and meatballs -- it's nearly impossible to think about one without the other.

The Finnish-born left wing of the
has made a name for himself in the post-lockout NHL with his abilitiesin the shootout. He's converted 26-of-48 attempts (54 percent) since2005-06, and he's made a lot of professional goaltenders lookovermatched along the way.

"I'm glad he's on our side now," said Hurricanes goaltender
,who has the honor/nightmare of facing Jokinen almost every day inpractice. "It's nice to get his opinion of what he sees when he comesdown on a goaltender -- what he likes and doesn't like when thegoaltender moves."

But more than ever this season, Jokinen is showing his value isn'tconfined to the 90 feet between center ice and the crease that's beenfreshly resurfaced at the end of overtime.

Through 55 games, he's tied for the Hurricanes lead in goals (18) andis third in points (40). Jokinen already has eclipsed his career-highin goals (17) and is well on his way to surpassing his high-water markin points (55), both set in 2005-06 when he was a member of the
.

Jokinen was acquired at the trade deadline last season from the
mostly for his shootout skills during the stretch run. But this season, he's earned minutes on the team's top line with
and
and has 15 points (7 goals, 8 assists) in his last 12 games.

The trio seems to have found an immediate chemistry. Whitney has 2goals and 7 assists in his last nine games. Staal has caught fire oflate with 8 goals in his last 7 games, and Jokinen has assisted on halfof those goals.

"He's very underrated. Jussi's one of those guys that does everythingvery well," Staal said. "Offensively, he can make those plays and findthose areas on the ice where he's kind of one step ahead of thedefenders. He's good positionally everywhere and he's a fun guy to playwith because he can find those holes and make those plays."

And it's not as though Jokinen has been able to hide in the shadows andpick up his points while flying under the radar. The Hurricanes havebeen riddled with injuries to some key point producers this season:Staal has missed time; defensemen
and
have been banged up; wingers
,
and
have been dealing with injuries for most the season, and even Ward satout for more than a month after a skate blade lacerated his leg.

Even with the added responsibility, Jokinen is putting up the best numbers of his short career. How does he explain it?

Confidence.

"I could feel that they really wanted me here last year," Jokinen said."The whole coaching staff is really giving me ice time and I can feelthat they have lots of confidence in me and they are giving me chancesand opportunities to be successful and be the player I can be.

"I think the confidence has always been the big thing for me. The lastcouple weeks I've been playing top line and big minutes on the powerplay and obviously they're letting me produce and I've been able to dothat. And I hope I can keep playing the same way the rest of the year."

Playing with someone of the caliber of Staal will always help someoneput up impressive numbers and build confidence, and Jokinen saidskating with the Hurricanes captain reminds him of when he played witha future Hall-of-Famer during his time with the Stars.

"It's like my first two years in Dallas when I played with
,"Jokinen said of playing with Staal. "I think those two guys areactually the same type of players. They're both really fast and have agood shot and really good hockey sense. I like to play with those kindof players."

Jokinen's breakthrough 2009-10 campaign shouldn't be a surprise afterhis performance during last season's Stanley Cup Playoffs. He had 7goals and 4 assists in 18 games for the Hurricanes, who might not havemade it past the first round if not for Jokinen's heroics against the
.

He scored with less than a second remaining in regulation in Game 4 togive the Hurricanes a 4-3 win and even the series. Then in Game 7 inNew Jersey, Jokinen tied the score at 3-3 with 1:20 left in the thirdperiod and set the stage for Staal, who scored the deciding goal 48seconds later.

"Sometimes players get with certain teams they feel more comfortablewith and he was a good player in Dallas, but it didn't work out as wellfor him in Tampa," Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford said. "Last year, hewas dealing with personal issues and that was difficult on him too. Butall those things are behind him. He played well for us last year,scoring big goals in the playoffs and he's had a heck of a year for usthis year.

"We picked him up knowing that he'd be a top-nine player for us, but he's actually exceeded our expectations."

Maybe this is the season that Jokinen breaks away from his reputation as shootout specialist.

Jokinen sees the point of shootouts
jokilalim55.jpg

Let's not kid ourselves.
is in the middle of his best NHL season, but he still gives the
an edge in the shootout like few others in the League can.

Ever since he undressed
goalie
as a member of the
in front of a national audience on NBC in January 2006 with hisone-handed goal, it's been tough for him to escape the stigma that he'sa shootout specialist and nothing more.

Has it reached the point where he's tired of talking about it? 

"I'm not sick of it," Jokinen said with a chuckle. "I actually enjoytalking about it. It's one thing I take lots of pride in, to be good. Ispend lots of hours during the season and in the summer to work on mymoves and get some confidence."

He's 26-for-48 in his career in shootout attempts, and while criticslike to diminish the accomplishments of what Jokinen can do during thebreakaway competition, the extra points he can help the Hurricanesgather during the course of the season could be the difference betweenmaking and missing the playoffs.

The Hurricanes are currently last in the Eastern Conference, but notcompletely dead. They are 11 points behind a host of teams who are tiedfor the eighth and final playoff spot, and in order to make up thatground over the final 27 games of the season, accumulating as manypoints as possible is crucial.

"The type of system that's here right now, those points are so big atthe end of the year," Jokinen said. "Those points can make thedifference in making the playoffs or not."

But with Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford making it known he has talented,experienced veterans available for teams looking to make a push for aStanley Cup this season, are the playoffs a pipe dream at this pointfor the Hurricanes?

"As long as there's a possibility, we're going to do everything we cando to go to the playoffs," Jokinen said. "If we make the playoffs,anything can happen."

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Good stuff, thanks for posting.  Jussi's always been quick to give appreciation of the opportunity given him here in Carolina.  It was a good fit from the start.  I'm damn glad to have him.  I have to admit he has become one of my favorite players.  Go Juice!

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Good stuff, thanks for posting.  Jussi's always been quick to give appreciation of the opportunity given him here in Carolina.  It was a good fit from the start.  I'm damn glad to have him.  I have to admit he has become one of my favorite players.  Go Juice!

I have a blank jersey waiting for a name, I am seriously leaning on Jokinen.

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This brings up an interesting debate. Assuming that this season Jokinen does hit 30 goals (and if he keeps up the pace that he has had ever since teaming up with Staal, hes actually going to get closer to 40) then do we sign him to an extension in the offseason, or wait for next year. If he replicates the success hes had next year, then he will become one of the most sought after rentals; a clutch performer who can score goals and is killer in shootouts, and in that tight race for the playoffs, every point counts Discuss... 

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[quote name='Faceoff-ch1 wrote:


coastal_caniac']Good stuff, thanks for posting.  Jussi's always been quick to give appreciation of the opportunity given him here in Carolina.  It was a good fit from the start.  I'm damn glad to have him.  I have to admit he has become one of my favorite players.  Go Juice!

I have a blank jersey waiting for a name, I am seriously leaning on Jokinen.

I now have my Gleason Olympic jersey so the Juice is likely next for me too.

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[quote name='coastal_caniac wrote:


Faceoff-ch1 wrote:

coastal_caniac']Good stuff, thanks for posting.  Jussi's always been quick to give appreciation of the opportunity given him here in Carolina.  It was a good fit from the start.  I'm damn glad to have him.  I have to admit he has become one of my favorite players.  Go Juice!

I have a blank jersey waiting for a name, I am seriously leaning on Jokinen.

I now have my Gleason Olympic jersey so the Juice is likely next for me too.

Ooops you just reminded me, I had some shopping to do today.

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This brings up an interesting debate. Assuming that this season Jokinen does hit 30 goals (and if he keeps up the pace that he has had ever since teaming up with Staal, hes actually going to get closer to 40) then do we sign him to an extension in the offseason, or wait for next year. If he replicates the success hes had next year, then he will become one of the most sought after rentals; a clutch performer who can score goals and is killer in shootouts, and in that tight race for the playoffs, every point counts Discuss... 

You bring up an interesting scenario.  I'm feeling too good about him now to think he could be gone at some point.  As we all know, players for smaller market teams often price themselves out of contracts and are moved based on economics.  Pitkanen may be another one of those situations.  Making 4.5 mil now and due for a raise, if its not here, could be elsewhere.  We will see.  

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Yea players do that but if a guy is putting up numbers comparable to the juice they deserve at least 1 contract extension, don;t ya think. I'd like to keep him acouple more years.

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Yea players do that but if a guy is putting up numbers comparable to the juice they deserve at least 1 contract extension, don;t ya think. I'd like to keep him acouple more years.
He is signed for next year.  No need to panic.  We have other more immediate concerns, wouldn't you agree?

  

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yes I agree. We do have more pressing needs. Just thinking that players who start having career years cost a lot more the closer to end of contract. 2.8 to 3.0 maybe after this season might seem a bargain were he to have another career year next season. So long as he stays a while.

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Stars fans would swear on their life that Jussi is worthless outside of the shootout. I hopped over to their boards during the Canes run last year to see if they had taken notice of Jussi's play and they were still talking him down. Sucks for 'dem, don't it!!

Jussi is one of the most underrated players in the entire league. Just because he isn't a flashy player doesn't mean he isn't nearly elite, because he is nearly elite. He's only a notch below the best 10 players in the league, IMO. He can play any forward position, is a fantastic 2-way player, can take faceoffs, can finish, can pass, can skate, oh and he's the best shootout shooter in NHL history. On top of that he's a great teammate and an awesome person. I'll never forget during the nights at the airport him leaning out of his car applauding the fans for their support. Jussi is awesome.

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i've followed Jussi since he was with the starts always been a fan of him. and a bigger fan now that he is with the canes. if you go look at all the Fins that play together they have lots of sucsess, example, Jussi Jokinen,Joni Pitkanen and Tuomo Ruutu. anther example,Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu and also Mikko Koivu and Antti Miettnien...if we keep Jussi we should also re-sign Ruutu and Pitkanen...they are all the same age 26

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I added Jussi to my imaginary core a while ago, (technically not true core, but "should make every effort to keep" group). He has shown what he can do this year and let's not forget that is an extension of a great playoff performance, and his shootout prowess might be good for a couple of wins, which in this league can put you in the playoffs.

I would keep Jussi, Ruutu, Staal, C.Ward, Sutter, Cullen*,Kostopolous up front and Pitkanen, Gleason, Alberts, Corvo** on the back. Then add a few AHL'rs, (Carson,Tlusty, Boychuk, maybe Dwyer on the 4th line, plus one or two depending), a top draft pick and one top line winger.

But Jussi and Cullen are the two that are "could be trades" that I would not make unless they were too good to be true.

*trade Cullen if we end up with Seguin

**Corvo is the one guy I just can't make up my mind about.

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Gotta be honest unless Tlusty makes some strides he's not been very impressive which is why he was sent down for Boychuk.

Jussi has been a surprise I gotta admit I really thought the playoffs fueled his ambition last season and was very concerned it wasn't going to translate into the season. I was wrong and in all the good ways I enjoy being wrong. 

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Gotta be honest unless Tlusty makes some strides he's not been very impressive which is why he was sent down for Boychuk.

Jussi has been a surprise I gotta admit I really thought the playoffs fueled his ambition last season and was very concerned it wasn't going to translate into the season. I was wrong and in all the good ways I enjoy being wrong. 
Tlusty was sent down because he wouldn't have been able to play in the AHL during the Olympic break had he played any more games at the NHL level prior to it.

As for Jokinen, he's needed an 18.2 shooting % to get to 20 goals in 57 games. He won't keep that shooting percentage up and he's been on a huge hot streak lately which inflates his goals-per-game rate and sh%. More likely you are looking at a 25 goal, 55-60 point per season guy. Predicting 30-40 goals and 70-80 points from someone who doesn't even average two shots on goal per game is just having unreasonable expectations.

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I'll take 25 goals out of just about anyone, so that would be simply amazing productivity from a guy who was basically thrown on the trash heap by his former team.

I think Tlusty will show more as time goes on, a la Sutter. Just my opinion, clearly Toronto didn't agree.

Now that we are officially opening in Helsinki we pretty much have to keep of our Finns. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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[quote name='ZCAB wrote:


legend-1']Gotta be honest unless Tlusty makes some strides he's not been very impressive which is why he was sent down for Boychuk.

Jussi has been a surprise I gotta admit I really thought the playoffs fueled his ambition last season and was very concerned it wasn't going to translate into the season. I was wrong and in all the good ways I enjoy being wrong. 

Tlusty was sent down because he wouldn't have been able to play in the AHL during the Olympic break had he played any more games at the NHL level prior to it.

As for Jokinen, he's needed an 18.2 shooting % to get to 20 goals in 57 games. He won't keep that shooting percentage up and he's been on a huge hot streak lately which inflates his goals-per-game rate and sh%. More likely you are looking at a 25 goal, 55-60 point per season guy. Predicting 30-40 goals and 70-80 points from someone who doesn't even average two shots on goal per game is just having unreasonable expectations.

You are right that he can't stay on a hot streak forever, but 15% is a pretty normal shooting percentage for a sniper type shooter.  I'm not so sure he has been only averaging two shots on goal since moving up to the first line either.   60 pts is probably the reasonable expectation right now, but I think he has proven to be a great finisher, and an improving play-maker that has legitimately added to the top line.  He's not just up there getting garbage rebound goals and picking up secondary assists that add to his point total.

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Yea not flashy or elite so to speak, but in this system at least, very very STEADY. I think playing the first line is indicative of his capabilities when in a position to get the puck from proven scorers like his linemates now. May seem streaky but other than Modano's line in D, has he had this much help on a regular line before? Thats what I see as making the difference in his play of late. FROM OBSCURITY TO BORDERLINE STARDOM. GO JUICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'll take 25 goals out of just about anyone, so that would be simply amazing productivity from a guy who was basically thrown on the trash heap by his former team.

I think Tlusty will show more as time goes on, a la Sutter. Just my opinion, clearly Toronto didn't agree.

Now that we are officially opening in Helsinki we pretty much have to keep of our Finns. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think Tlusty has more to give and, yes, he must "show" more as he develops (hopefully at a quicker pace).  Just a quick FYI, in 52 games Philippe Paradis has 39 pts. (21g, 18a).  He also leads the Cataractes in PIM (84 min).  I seem to recal a few folks questioning the "off the board" selection.  To me he looks solid; I hope Tlusty continues his development.

Back to "the Juice".  He's got a bit of the sniper in him, so I don't think 30 is out of the question, but I agree 25 g/35a is a good line for him and I'd take that any year.

  

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