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I'd give J a full season before killing off your prediciton like that.

Agreed, and with two consistenly healthy, lacing-it-up, teammates.

 

Ruutu (who everyone knew would be his linemate) was out for 80% of the season. There's been a talent deficit there. Nothing against Dwyer or Jokinen or anyone else who filled in, but they ain't Ruutu.

 

Skinner is going through some growing pains and has been a completely 1-way player this year. He's only been working his tail off if the puck is on his stick (or might soon be on his stick) within 15 feet of the other team's net. He's been a defensive liability and that puts more pressure on Jordan to cover up.

 

I'm not defending Jordan's mediocre season, but you can't ignore the context of his season either. We'll know for sure by the end of next year if Shero really got the best of us or not. If Ruutu can stay healthy and Skinner can protect his head (and also do a lot of maturing this summer) then I imagine we'll see a lot more out of Jordan. Just look what Semin did for Eric this year. Eric has had, arguably, his best season ever. He's been extremely consistent, always working hard, and has been productive. It's amazing what a good linemate can do for one's game.

 

I'm not giving up on Jordan, not after 40 games of this crummy season.

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Semin averaged 31.1 goals a season as a Cap. He also averaged 64.33 points per season.

 

Staal averaged 20 goals a season as a Penguin. Staal averaged 41.33 points per season.

 

Both players have six years in the NHL and both players were first round picks.

 

Jordan will make $6 million a year. If he scores his 20 goal average that's $300,000.00 per goal and $145,161.29 per point.

 

Semin will make $7 million. If he scores his 31 goal average that's $225,080.39 per goal and $108,808.30 per point....

 

Yeah, I'd rather have Semin.

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Semin averaged 31.1 goals a season as a Cap. He also averaged 64.33 points per season.

 

Staal averaged 20 goals a season as a Penguin. Staal averaged 41.33 points per season.

 

Both players have six years in the NHL and both players were first round picks.

 

Jordan will make $6 million a year. If he scores his 20 goal average that's $300,000.00 per goal and $145,161.29 per point.

 

Semin will make $7 million. If he scores his 31 goal average that's $225,080.39 per goal and $108,808.30 per point....

 

Yeah, I'd rather have Semin.

Semin has quietly earned the fanbase's respect by his actions on the ice...Jordan, well, not so much...

Semin deserves the A more than Jordan

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Its not an either/or when it comes to J and Sasha. I'm happy that they will both be back.

obx.... Jordan Staal's 6-million/year salary is going to hurt our chances of landing more talent (e.g. defense) since we only have so much money to go around.  

Glad you're so happy, but that's little comfort .... about a guy that has done so little this year, and even less last night against the Sens! .

 I watched Jordan each time he was on the ice...  watch the Sens game again and focus on him... he's so tentative... and barely digs in deep for the puck...  in fact he often passes it away within a second of touching it. He clearly doesn't play like he wants to be out here ... again replay the game last night against the Sens & watch Jordan each shift.... naturally, mute Tripp!! (ignore all Trip's comments about how "great it is having Jordan around"... Tripp is a marketing shill).

 

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Complaining about Jordan, or his contract is a moot point. He's here for 10 more years. All we can do is hope he gets better and his production goes up. I guess now we can complain about getting proper wingers for Jordan, that Eric has his. 

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obx.... Jordan Staal's 6-million/year salary is going to hurt our chances of landing more talent (e.g. defense) since we only have so much money to go around.  

Glad you're so happy, but that's little comfort .... about a guy that has done so little this year, and even less last night against the Sens! .

 I watched Jordan each time he was on the ice...  watch the Sens game again and focus on him... he's so tentative... and barely digs in deep for the puck...  in fact he often passes it away within a second of touching it. He clearly doesn't play like he wants to be out here ... again replay the game last night against the Sens & watch Jordan each shift.... naturally, mute Tripp!! (ignore all Trip's comments about how "great it is having Jordan around"... Tripp is a marketing shill).

 

 

Back when we signed J I wasn't for the trade. I really thought we could wait and he would play out the year. We would keep Sutter and the Canes world would be a better place. But JR was under tremendous pressure to sign a top 6 and the feeling was J could either be E wing or 2nd line center. Semin wasn't even on the radar yet. J $6 mil and other top end salaries are going to hamper us. But it is what it is.

 

We will probable be looking at a veteran D man who can hold his own but not break the bank. We will probable give Smurf a chance too.

 

I'm happy we have both J and Sasha because it gives us a chance at two solid lines. I'm not happy with J's production but I think he will come around and fit in. It might be more of a hope but I'm sticking with it. 

 

I'm willing to see what shakes out in the first half of next season.

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I'm not happy with J's production but I think he will come around and fit in. It might be more of a hope but I'm sticking with it. 

 

I'm willing to see what shakes out in the first half of next season.

Gottcha OBX!!

I hope he does too.  Maybe I'm just not as patient (maybe I need to get to my home on Hatteras and chill).

In any case, I "worry" that Jordan might never "step up his game." Basically, he's what we've seen?  He's 24 and that's not really all that young (see Stamkos, Tavares, Toews, Kane etc etc all 24 or under) in the NHL anymore.

Btw, check out/vote the J.Staal vs Brandon Sutter poll... also note link showing what Pens fans think (some decent insights about Jordan).

POLL ON PENS SITE: http://fans.penguins.nhl.com/community/topic/19155-jordan-staal-vs-b-sutter/

POLL ON CANES SITE: http://fans.hurricanes.nhl.com/community/topic/21416-jordan-staal-vs-b-sutter/

 

Edited by Greg-N-Ral

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Semin could be a good leader but his disconnect with English would likely be an issue and I'm not keen on handing out letter's for stat production. It's kinda how Jordan got his letter which is the basis of the past few pages anyway. A guy like Ruu I could get behind wearing the A but haven't seen much of him this year to really even back that up. He fire's guy's up, throws the body around to get the guys going and although not much of a fighter still gets into the scrums when needed.

Semin has quietly earned the fanbase's respect by his actions on the ice...Jordan, well, not so much...

Semin deserves the A more than Jordan

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So, we've been discussing J. Staal's performance this year on a game thread.  I thought it would be "fun" to come back here and discuss.  Opinions on the trade and the contract were all over the place.  I had a family emergency around this time so I'm not heavily on the record for the contract.  I was wishy-washy on the trade, thinking Sutter was a great loss, and of course concern about Doumolin.

 

Turns out that even with J's recent fade, J > Sutter.  Sutter is an injury machine.  J. is solid, despite all else.  And the Canes seem to have D coming out of their ears so maybe the Doumolin thing doesn't matter much.  However, I think ultimately Shero won this deal because he extorted JR into signing J. to a ridiculously long contract.  Going back and reading this is interesting, and all in fun.  Go to page 7 for the start of contract talks.  Go to the start for the trade discussion. 

 

And I'll leave you with some of your quotes.  See if you recognize yourself.  You can check on page 7 to 10 or so.  It was fun times.  :)

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I'm glad we resigned him, but I guess I wish we coulda seen if he's going to be the 2nd line center so many think he can be. 10 years based on assumption kinda scares the crap out of me.

The guy is only 23 years old. So I wouldn't be surprised if he is a consistent 70 point/season kind of guy...

I'm not sure how exactly the 10 years and 60 million is prorated, but I agree he will be a 70 plus points/year guy, and in a a few years an average of 6 million a year will look pretty good from our end for that kind of production.

We will look back on this as a pivotal move.

Still laughing at that contract. It was stupid when Ray offered it to him in Pittsburgh and it is just as bad in NC. It will be a very long 10 years when he is not living up to the contract and they want to unload him in year 2 because of it and no one will take him on because of it.

Your delusional. I'll bet anything the bros win at least one cup together and stay here for many years. Staal will putting up 90points a year and Jordan 70points a year playing with eachother.

Okay let's cut through all the bull. No more "this one has the potential", "this one will never", and best of all "He gets to play with his brother". We traded 3rd liner for 3rd liner and that cost us an extra 4 mil per year. Remember Jordan was at the same place in his career as Brandon but playing on a team that made the playoffs every year since we won the cup. We also threw into the deal a D-man and the #8 pick. Can one player get us to creep into the playoffs? Maybe...we'll see. As for the last point...have you ever worked with your brother? Easy wasn't it? Not every brother combination are the Sedins. Maybe.... we'll see.

 

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I know which one is me! I responded in the other thread. But the main thing for my thinking 6 years ago was that the two seasons and 113 games including 13 playoff games Jordan put up .81 ppg. That Jordan never arrived here. Those cautioning that he would not live up to that, (not me) were right. There weren't many though, mainly one guy. Those cautioning that this was a very long deal, may turn out to be more right, though the final word is still out, it's not looking great at the moment. 

 

But no matter what anyone might think of around 20 goal 45 point Jordan, the current 8 goal, 25 point paced Jordan is an entirely different problem. I've contended in recent years that Jordan at 20G, 45P is still effective because he's been a possession monster (and I don't mean just face-offs, I mean holding and protecting the puck, making smart defensive plays) and a defensive monster. Given that, even though he has not kept up the 70 point pace, he's been worth having and mostly worth the money, and arguably worth the players we gave up for him. But 8 goals and 25 points? If he keeps on that, it's hard to imagine that his D is worth $6 million/year. 

 

I remain hopeful that there is something behind this. An undisclosed injury. Bad luck. A rough patch for some other reason and not just slowing due to age. Because if it's the latter, it's going to become a bigger issue.

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19 minutes ago, coastal_caniac said:

Today, right now, the team would suffer if Jordan wasn't able to go for an extended time.  That's about it for me.

They didn’t last season...just sayin 

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19 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

They didn’t last season...just sayin 

 

Say more then AWACS, than just "sayin".  You are one of the major players in the discussion here, and from your comments suggest your ready for a trade immediately .  So you think the team would be fine without Jordan today, right now?  

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1 minute ago, coastal_caniac said:

 

Say more then AWACS, than just "sayin".  You are one of the major players in the discussion here, and from your comments suggest your ready for a trade immediately .  So you think the team would be fine without Jordan today, right now?  

Yes I do...faceoff percentages aside, I feel that his play is more of a detriment to the team than an asset.  Boneheaded offensive zone penalties, can’t score into an empty net if the net was twice the size, constantly beaten on the boards, take your pick.  I was on the record as against the trade at the time, l was against him getting any letters sight unseen just because his brother was the Captain at the time, and I was LIVID at the 10 year extension that JR immediately inked him to.  He was riding Sid’s and Gino’s coattails in Pittsburgh, which I feel overinflated his worth.

And now we’re stuck with him and his NMC for four more years...

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6 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

Yes I do...faceoff percentages aside, I feel that his play is more of a detriment to the team than an asset.  Boneheaded offensive zone penalties, can’t score into an empty net if the net was twice the size, constantly beaten on the boards, take your pick.  I was on the record as against the trade at the time, l was against him getting any letters sight unseen just because his brother was the Captain at the time, and I was LIVID at the 10 year extension that JR immediately inked him to.  He was riding Sid’s and Gino’s coattails in Pittsburgh, which I feel overinflated his worth.

And now we’re stuck with him and his NMC for four more years...

 

Okay, so, what's your lineup against the Jets that makes us better, assuming you took over and immediately put Staal in the press box?

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1 minute ago, coastal_caniac said:

 

Okay, so, what's your lineup against the Jets that makes us better, assuming you took over and immediately put Staal in the press box?

I’d bring up Bish or Geekie to Center the 4th...SAT on top...Wally centers 3, Necas gets 2nd line 

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What does Sloow bring to this team?  Goals/assists are disappointing, FO percentage is good, but that is hardly a stat that dictates HOF status.  Defensively strong, except for the stoopid penalties.  The final telling stat is his +/-, he is a Zero.  

 

Bottom line is that he neither hurts nor helps this team.  If you were to sit him, who would play?  Call up Listerine or someone from Charlotte and theres a good chance it would hurt the team, Necas is playing well now, but he cost the team some points early in the year.  We don’t need another Nino out there.  My feeling is that as much as I like to complain about Sloow, the team is probably better off with him out there than anyone else available to the team right now.  Trade for Taylor Hall and maybe we’ll reconsider...

 

my question is does he deserve the C on his sweater?

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I'm not for scratching Jordan, but with Goat being sent down maybe Haula is back. Jordan then could be slotted as 3C on a more defensive line until he turns things around:

 

Svech-Aho-Turbo

Dzingel-Haula-Necas

Nook/Nino-Jordan-Foegele

Nino/Nook-Wallmark-Goat

 

 

 

 

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I wonder what kind of shape Haula will be in when he gets back?  With tendinitis in his knee it's not like he could have been doing intensive bike work.  What could he have been doing to keep up his cardio, maybe swimming?

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10 hours ago, MisterDobz said:

What does Sloow bring to this team?  Goals/assists are disappointing, FO percentage is good, but that is hardly a stat that dictates HOF status.  Defensively strong, except for the stoopid penalties.  The final telling stat is his +/-, he is a Zero.  

 

Bottom line is that he neither hurts nor helps this team.  If you were to sit him, who would play?  Call up Listerine or someone from Charlotte and theres a good chance it would hurt the team, Necas is playing well now, but he cost the team some points early in the year.  We don’t need another Nino out there.  My feeling is that as much as I like to complain about Sloow, the team is probably better off with him out there than anyone else available to the team right now.  Trade for Taylor Hall and maybe we’ll reconsider...

 

my question is does he deserve the C on his sweater?

None of us have any idea what happens in the locker room, and the team seems to be thrilled with Staal as the C. That's enough for me.

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