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Canes Acquire Jordan Staal for 8th pick, Brandon Sutter and Dumo

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Sure, and if Sid or Geno go down this season with injury, who do you think gets moved up to take their spots? This deal had to get done now. My guess is that Shero and JR aren't done dealing with each other this off season yet and that JR knows something about free agency that made him ok with losing Sutter and Demoulin.

Welcome, I bet it won't be long before we see the Staal Bros marketing plan hit the shelves at the Eye.

I think Jordan will take off , not playing behind the other two , let me know when I can buy Jordans jersey , I am friends with alot of Canes fans , like I said Jordan was my favorite Penguin , he is my favorite Cane , see you all at the games , GO CANES !!!!!!!

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My complaint of the teams that JR has assembled of late (and the complaint of many others) is that the Canes had too many 3rd/4th liners and not enough elite talent. Too many players with intangibles and not enough players with tangibles. JR just made a trade and brought in an elite player. Sutter going upset us all, but he was a 3rd liner. Brandon may have been able to serve as the 2nd line center, but he doesn't have the skill level that Jordan Staal has.

I would have really liked the deal if the Pittsburgh 1st rounder came back our way, or at least their 2nd rounder. It was an expensive trade, but JR made something happen. JR could have waited a year and gotten Jordan without giving up anything...maybe. A lot can happen in a year. This way, JR puts the Canes in playoff contention this year and gives the Canes a marketing boost with adding Jordan. It will sell some tickets and merchandise. It will also probably put the Canes on national TV a couple more times next season.

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As a lifelong Pens fans even for a good return, its going to be tough adjusting without Staal.

When Crosby/Malkin were constantly down with injuries Staal was huge in carrying the team. He was a SH specialist that gave the Penguins a top PK unit, He really developed his shot last year to a new level and was taking over multiple games on his own. (50 points +15 in 60 games) Which is why he got frustrated stepping up his game so much to return to 3rd line once Crosby finally returned.

I am going to be watching a lot more Canes games just to see what he really is capable of on a consistent top line. Especially playing with his brother, who will have amazing chemistry.

This move sends the Canes into the playoffs easily.

LiveWire: welcome and thanks for your insights!

It will be fun to see what Jordan can do unleashed. I'm still not 100% sure about the playoffs thing. You gotta feel our pain, because reaching playoffs alone lately just seem to be an impossible climb.

Despite what some say here about Sutter being a non-producer, I want to let you guys know you got an incredible smart, durable, quality guy. During the Cane's start of the season last year Sutter tried to, and nearly, carried the team. The first half of the season was a disaster because Staal, among others slept through it. Sutter never seems to slump like that. You guys got real quality.

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I like Sutter, and I would have rather traded Murphy than Domoulin. However, we got the best player in the deal, period. Jordan is virtually the same age as Sutter, much bigger, and much better offensively. Unfortunately, to acquire budding elite talent like this, you have to give something of value up. I'm not going to get too upset anytime, my teams gets the best player in a trade regardless of what goes the other way. Like many here, I will feel much better about this once the extension is signed.

Also, I firmly believe we run out a second line of Skinner - J.Staal - Ruutu. We will move Jokinen to the first line with Eric and will try to sign a FA winger. Since next year's class is shaping up to be better than this year, why not see if Whitney will come back for one more year. If we came out of the offseason adding two top-6 components without giving up anyone in the top 6 in return, I think we will have met out off-season objectives.

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I had to think about this trade for a while. This was a good trade. We are instantly a better team with Jordan Staal. Was it a great trade, I suppose only time will tell but my initial reaction is no. A great trade would have been getting J. Staal and keeping Sutter but it was a necessary trade.

Rutherford had to make a trade and Shero knew it. Shero (backed into a corner) had to get a good return and Rutherford knew it. We always knew (I think) we would have to overpay for a Staal type player.

I will miss Sutter. He is a talented, steady and improving player. I will welcome Jordan Staal and hope he helps bring us to the next step of being a consistent playoff team.

I think the real key on how well this trade works out is the other moves we now need to make before the season starts.

I am cautiously optimistic.

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I had to think about this trade for a while. This was a good trade. We are instantly a better team with Jordan Staal. Was it a great trade, I suppose only time will tell but my initial reaction is no. A great trade would have been getting J. Staal and keeping Sutter but it was a necessary trade.

Rutherford had to make a trade and Shero knew it. Shero (backed into a corner) had to get a good return and Rutherford knew it. We always knew (I think) we would have to overpay for a Staal type player.

I will miss Sutter. He is a talented, steady and improving player. I will welcome Jordan Staal and hope he helps bring us to the next step of being a consistent playoff team.

I think the real key on how well this trade works out is the other moves we now need to make before the season starts.

I am cautiously optimistic.

Agree! Well said. It was a good trade.

The Canes are a better team today than yesterday!! Likewise the Canes roster is more talented today than yesterday!!

Plus this season is going to be more FUN now too.

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The Canes are a better team today than yesterday!! Likewise the Canes roster is more talented today than yesterday!!

Your time-based words kind of sum it up. It is about the here and now. Canes have been packing prospects for a long time, some working, some not. Murphy looks viable. So does Dumoulin. But they are not here and now.

Jordan is. And, I have to admit, he brings much more to the table than Sutter, especially our much needed size.

And that's maybe my only downer on Dumoulin. Don't know where he'll end up, but he sure had the size we still need. JR? Free agency? 2nd round?

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I think the fear was if we don't sell Jordan on how awesome and family friendly the organization is now he might have gone somewhere else in a year.

Eric could tell him all he wanted to but experiencing it is quite another thing. Also if Eric has been unhappy about things bringing in his brother should almost immediately end that.

Yes, this is true. Although the guys on TV mentioned the rumor (or was it the guys in the restaurant?, sometimes was hard to tell who was talking) that Jordan had mentioned a desire to come to Carolina. Yes, that doesn't always guarantee a guy will go where he wants. How many times do we hear "I'll only play for the New York Rangers..." up until the point the Detroit Red Wings offer you the GDP of a third world country. So at least he's not furious about leaving Pittsburgh, he wanted to come here. It's not like a situation where you grab a guy out of the locker room mid game and ship him off.

Now, here's the other side of this coin, as a huge Brandon Sutter fan. Where does he fit in in Pittsburgh? Or does he even. Surely he won't replace Jordan as 3rd line center. Will he be 4th line center? Will he get sent down to WBS? Sure this is an improvement for us at Center, so how will Pittsburgh adjust with the bits and pieces they are getting back in return?

We may not have picked the same guy at 8, but PGH took a D-man so that doesn't affect what's going on with their forwards.

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Video Replay of the Draft trade for Jordan Staal

Jim Rutherford on TSN

Official Press release:

Hurricanes Acquire Jordan Staal from Pittsburgh

Carolina sends Brandon Sutter, Brian Dumoulin and the eighth overall pick in 2012 to Penguins

Friday, 06.22.2012 / 8:05 PM / News By Ken Preston

RALEIGH, NC – Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has acquired center Jordan Staal from the Pittsburgh Penguins. In exchange for Staal, Carolina has traded center Brandon Sutter, defenseman Brian Dumoulin and its first-round pick (8th overall) in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft to the Penguins. “Jordan is an elite two-way player who possesses a rare combination of speed, size, scoring ability and defensive responsibility,” said Rutherford. “For his young age, he has a wealth of NHL experience, including winning the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009. And he is obviously a natural fit for our team in joining our captain, his older brother Eric.

“We want to thank Brandon Sutter for his time in Carolina. He has been a very good player for our team, and we wish both Brandon and Brian the best as their careers continue.”

Staal, 23, completed his sixth NHL season in 2011-12, posting career highs in assists (25) and points (50), and a career second-best 25 goals, despite playing in just 62 of Pittsburgh’s 82 regular-season games. The Thunder Bay, Ont., native added six goals and three assists (9 points) to lead the Penguins in scoring in their six-game, first-round playoff series against Philadelphia.

In six NHL seasons with Pittsburgh, Staal (6’4”, 220 lbs.) has scored 120 goals, earned 128 assists and posted a plus-53 plus/minus rating in 431 regular-season games. The Penguins have qualified for the playoffs in each of his six seasons, and he captured the Stanley Cup with Pittsburgh in 2009. In 73 career Stanley Cup playoff games, he has scored 23 goals and earned 13 assists (36 points). The Penguins selected Staal in the first round, second overall, in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. He is the younger brother of Hurricanes captain Eric Staal.

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Now, here's the other side of this coin, as a huge Brandon Sutter fan. Where does he fit in in Pittsburgh? Or does he even. Surely he won't replace Jordan as 3rd line center. Will he be 4th line center? Will he get sent down to WBS? Sure this is an improvement for us at Center, so how will Pittsburgh adjust with the bits and pieces they are getting back in return?

I think that is exactly what he will do. Using Sutter on a 4th line would be a waste. Sutter is a proven 3rd line center with a lot of upside. The unanswered question as you pointed out is how does he fit into the Pens system and another question is in the event of an injury can he jump up a line. We know Jordan Staal could but until Sutter is forced to play on a scoring line there will be questions. My hunch is Sutter will do just fine surrounded by all that talent in Pittsburgh.

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I'm still sick about losing Sutter, but extremely excited about Jordan Staal as a Cane. Maybe those two emotions mean it was a good trade all around.

I think Sutter has been under rated and never given a chance to be the player he'll become. He was placed in the defensive role and was tops at it. He may not get that shot in Pittsburgh either.

One thing that always concerned me about Sutter is whether the Canes would be able to afford him once Skinner and Faulk showed what they are. Pittsburgh now kicks the can down the road to eventually pay Sutter. I'd be worried he'd return to Alberta if he stayed, and now the Pens have to deal with that. Jordan should be here for awhile and will likely shine as bright as his big brother.

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I know it's a bit shocking, guys, but we now have J.Staal. That's huge. The guy was drafted 2nd overall and has proven he's SO MUCH more than 3rd line center. He'll be a great 2nd line center, maybe even first. We should all be very excited.

It was a deal that had to be made now. We could not afford to wait and see IF we could sign him in a year. A lot could happen in a year.. It was a good deal..

Now.. Pittsburgh gets their third line center and clears up cap space.. There are A LOT of rumors about them going after Semin, Parise or Suter. What else is JR going to do to keep up with them?

Having E.Staal and J.Staal on the same line is cute, but BOTH of these guys are centers. We still need our first line center.

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Well... At least JR did something this year. Much better than 2009. Remember Paradis (who we fleeced Toronto with the trade for Tlusty.) I don't, and it doesn't look like he'll ever be seen in the NHL. I hate losing Sutter, especially to Pittsburgh, but you have to give to get. Who's the third line center now? Does Brent have what it takes? Unless J Staal plays on the second line, I don't see how we improved our depth down center. I don't think J Staal and E Staal play together except on PP and maybe the last 5 minutes of a game if we're down.

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I think I heard that Jordan will be 1st line Center and Move Eric back to the right wing! IMO Eric plays better on the wing.Jordan had a better d-side to him so maybe this would open up Erics offense back towards the 100 point range. Thank you Brandon you are a awsome player& person, and with the Canes bringing people back I hope you are here someday in that #16 Jeresy again!!

GO CANES

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I think it will be better to put J. Staal as our second line center. Strength down the middle is more important than one super line. Canes already need to fill the 3rd line center, & if you move Jordan up & Eric to wing...Then we still have a huge hole at 2nd line center. No one filled it last season.

Which Top 6 lines are stronger:

Tlutsy E. Staal Ruutu

Jokinen J. Staal Skinner

OR

Tlusty J. Staal E. Staal

Jokinen Ruutu Skinner

Ruutu, Jokinen, Skinner all struggled at center.

Don't get me wrong this is a good problem to have, plus Skins & Fins has work before.

Biggest issue is who fills Sutter spot...Welsh / Nash / Rask / Brent / FA???

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....so maybe this would open up Erics offense back towards the 100 point range....

I think this is the key to the deal. If it ignites Eric the deal favors Carolina. Comparing Jordan Staal to only Sutter + prospects misses this intangible.

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Tlusty, E. Staal, Ruutu

Jokinen, J. Staal, Skinner

Warm body, Brent/Riley Nash, Dwyer/Larose

Warm body, Brent/Riley Nash, Nodl

I think that will get us a little further than last year.

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Glad to see things settling down a folks coming around.

Given the circumstances I think our expectations went from "this will never happen" to "JR is in the catbird seat and will steal Jordan for Zach Boychuk and a half eaten donut and utterly fleece Pittsburgh". The fact is both GM's needed to make a move, and when JR looked at what it would cost to pry a Nash (who may not even agree to the trade), and what he could get a guy almost as good for in Staal, it was a no brainer.

Watch what someone gives up for Rick Nash, then compare that to what we gave up for JStaal.

Not a fair comparison? Closer than you think.

I know some people find fault with my doing this, but if we are to try to compare what a player might be capable of next year, which is the point after all, I think you need to adjust for the number of games played. Even Wayne Gretsky couldn't score if he wasn't on the ice. OK the way most people do that is ppg. which is fine, I'll do that too, but I like to basically set the baseline at a full season and project out those that missed games. Why? It allows easier comparison with other players, and gives some idea of the area of a player's ceiling.

Anyway, with J.Staal we have 6 playoff games and a 62 regular season games: 68 games played last year. He put up 31 goals and 59 points over those games. .87 ppg.

Project that rate of production over 82 games: 37 goals, and 71 points. YES, it is a projection, but based on 83% actual play, 17% projection, it's very realistic.

Plus, he plays both ends of the ice, and played at least part of the time on the THIRD line, AND HE HAS NOT HIT HIS PEAK yet at only 23 years old. J. Staal is younger than Jamie McBain.

OK for those that don't like the projections, lets look at a few actual player's actual season last year and compare just goals/game and ppg. (including playoffs)

Nash goals/game: 0.37 ppg: 0.72

Parise goals/game: 0.37 ppg: 0.79

Semin goals/game: 0.26 ppg: 0.64

BRyan goals/game: 0.39 ppg: 0.71

J.Staal goals/game: 0.45 ppg: 0.87

And which one of those players is not yet in his prime? Which one played on the third line and kills penalties?

Feel better?

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Gah, terrible move! Way way too much to give up for a player who's a UFA in a year. Sutter and a 8 pick? Coulda had Pouliot, Forsberg, Teravainen... Do not like this. Glad to get Staal, but considering we could have had him next year for nothing, I think JR got robbed.

The one hope I have is JR putting him on the first line and moving Eric to wing. That could work. But hate to lose Sutter.

Guess this clears room for Walsh...they must really think something of him.

You cant assume Jordan was a given, it sounds like it, but lets look at the whole pic, and im not picking on ya jlp, i mean anyone against this pick.. rangers were swooping down at 645 , ready to pounce, we would have lost jordan, people forget that, sutter was my fav, but jordan wasnt coming with sutter going, and i love this dumoulin kid, , But u cant complain when jr FINALLY pulls the trigger, u can thave it both ways, he did what he said, and maybe he will do more..

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Tlusty, E. Staal, Ruutu

Jokinen, J. Staal, Skinner

Warm body, Brent/Riley Nash, Dwyer/Larose

Warm body, Brent/Riley Nash, Nodl

I think that will get us a little further than last year.

Tlusty, E. Staal, Ruutu

Jokinen, J. Staal, Skinner

R. Clowe, Brent/Riley Nash, Bowman

T. Pyatt/T. Moen, Brent/Riley Nash, Dwyer

Trade LaRose, Nodl, Boychuk (J. Staal needs his # anyway), Samson, Terry, Pitkanen, Sanguinetti

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Glad to see things settling down a folks coming around.

OK for those that don't like the projections, lets look at a few actual player's actual season last year and compare just goals/game and ppg. (including playoffs)

Nash goals/game: 0.37 ppg: 0.72

Parise goals/game: 0.37 ppg: 0.79

Semin goals/game: 0.26 ppg: 0.64

BRyan goals/game: 0.39 ppg: 0.71

J.Staal goals/game: 0.45 ppg: 0.87

And which one of those players is not yet in his prime? Which one played on the third line and kills penalties?

Feel better?

Well said Remkin and interesting stats. I'm very happy with the acquisition of the younger Staal and I think we have a MUCH better chance of holding on to him with a new contract next year than we would have had trying to sign him on the open market. Obviously, time will tell, but we also needed to give the best team possible to Mueller in his upcoming first complete season and I think this trade has done that. See if Rutherford has any other moves in mind.

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I'd like to also restate another side benefit, that others have mentioned. Adding JStaal to our team might just put us on the acceptable list to certain free agents that might think differently about us.

If J.Staal has the year that last year projects out to, he will be in the top 20 offensive forwards in the league. I think Skinner has the potential to be in there (maybe top 30) also, and EStaal will be also.

It is very conservative to say that we will have at least 3 of the top30 forwards in the league. There are 30 teams....if we have 3 then there are 27 left for the other 29 teams to divide up. And don't count out Jussi. He had the assists last year and has put up 30 goals in the past. Dare I say we could have 4 of the top 30? Yes.

Then add one more through FA?

OK OK, it gets a bit slippery, but I'm just saying that as others have pointed out, this shows certain FA's that we are serious about winning now. Might not necessarily be a forward either.

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I'd like to also restate another side benefit, that others have mentioned. Adding JStaal to our team might just put us on the acceptable list to certain free agents that might think differently about us.

If J.Staal has the year that last year projects out to, he will be in the top 20 offensive forwards in the league. I think Skinner has the potential to be in there (maybe top 30) also, and EStaal will be also.

It is very conservative to say that we will have at least 3 of the top30 forwards in the league. There are 30 teams....if we have 3 then there are 27 left for the other 29 teams to divide up. And don't count out Jussi. He had the assists last year and has put up 30 goals in the past. Dare I say we could have 4 of the top 30? Yes.

Then add one more through FA?

OK OK, it gets a bit slippery, but I'm just saying that as others have pointed out, this shows certain FA's that we are serious about winning now. Might not necessarily be a forward either.

Rem you are an eternal optimist! Definitely a "glass half-full" kinda person. Maybe we can still get UFA Semin or put together a trade for JVR or R. Clowe using d-men assets, ie: Pitkanen as the lead chip. Other than Suter, I can't remember if there are any high qualty d-men in FA.

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I'll tell you this. JR really needs to do something about shots against, especially now that we lost our best defensive forward.

As much as I like to dream about a powerhouse top 6, the safer bet is that JR finds a checking third line center and focuses now on the defense.

Resign Allen? Find a defensive dman? At least one of those. Suter? Long shot, but now that we've shown our seriousness to win now you never know.

Personally, given the points Tlusty put up at the end of last year, I am fine with:

Jussi/Staal/Tlusty

Ruutu/Staal/Skinner

LaRose/NEW/Bowman or Dwyer

If Tlusty keeps it moving forward, that is actually a playoff line up. Remember LaRose is a VERY good third liner.

That list gets us at least close to the playoffs. Then the late season trade deadline move can be made.

The big thing now is really the defense. Trade Joni, add Suter. Now THAT's optimism.

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