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Flying under the radar. I prefer it to be this way. Somehow I think this team is about to be firing on all cylinders and will turn a lot of heads.. 3rd line is key. Whoever ends up there.

 

They need to get really mad about this and play with a chip on their shoulder.

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But that's the thing wxray, they DON'T...when we went through all those injuries last season, they should have manned up and played with a bit more intensity...but they just decided to fold.  Other than the first line, the rest of the team flat-out quit.

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A lot of prognosticators had their predictions of our demise in well before the injuries hit. If they are saying our depth is shallow, maybe, but I wonder how many teams have legions of great players waiting in the wings. Maybe more than us, I don't know. 

 

When I look at how quickly 30 plus point guys drop off of most team's line ups compared to ours...I guess I'm not so sure many teams are really that deep.  I am really far from qualified to compare depth. 

 

Not so much worried about point production, It can be a good measure of your teams performance, but in any game your team could have more " points" but end up losing. Timing of points is more important to me. Although it is not a measurable stat, it's more of a feeling. How you react to an opponents goal, how much do you push when you are down, when you have a 1 goal lead do you coast or do you try to score more. Great wins are sometime not so much about individual points, but about wins.

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I agree..... seems to me when the Canes get down, they seem to take it on the chin and not fight to get it back.. However a lot of under performers from last years team is gone.. McBain, Corvo, LaRose and some checkers.. My Opinion, there are still three others that need to moved, Conditioned, or bought out.. Pits, Gleason and Rut...Nonetheless this team on paper looks much improved to me...

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I agree..... seems to me when the Canes get down, they seem to take it on the chin and not fight to get it back.. However a lot of under performers from last years team is gone.. McBain, Corvo, LaRose and some checkers.. My Opinion, there are still three others that need to moved, Conditioned, or bought out.. Pits, Gleason and Rut...Nonetheless this team on paper looks much improved to me...

 

Under performing is another one of those gut feeling things, some of us are still waiting for that 100 point Eric Staal to return.

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You know what will change my attitude?

 

When the inevitable goal-against occurs, and the Canes not only DON'T give up another, but score their own -- consistently -- then I'll believe.  (Saw some of that in last night's game by the Hawks.  They might just be able to repeat.)

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He was on a 91pt pace last year.

 

Under performing is another one of those gut feeling things, some of us are still waiting for that 100 point Eric Staal to return.

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The Run down:

Tlusty-Staal-Semin

Gerbe-Staal-Dwyer

Skinner-Nash-Lindholm

Bowman-Sutter-Westgarth/Blachard

Injured: Ruutu

Best Possible Calls Ups/Signings: Dvorak, Pal, Terry, Rask, Staal, Boychuck.

Our forwards are questionable at best. I am not sure if we're going to sign Dvorak or not. If we do we slot Lindholm in as center of the 3rd line and slot Dvorak on the wing. This team will be in much better shape if Ruutu is healthy. I see our 2nd line as being a shut down line that can also score goals. It will get better once Ruutu is back.

Our 3rd line is iffy at best. I am not sure what Lindholm can do. Hopefully Skinner will add some scoring to the mix. Our 4th line should be physical. I am all for putting Blanchard in and send Westgarth packing. Our call ups are decent. I am hoping that Rask will develop his skating and work his way into the lineup as a solid 2-way physical power forward(which he is). I feel a lot better about our forward call ups this year than last year. As usually, the 1st line will be firing on all Cylinders. Our bottom 6 is questionable to say the least.

Overall forward grade: B-

Defense:

Sekera-Faulk

Hainsey-Bellemore

Komi-Harrison

Injured: Gleason, Pitkanen

Call ups: Murphy, Jordan

This is probably the best defense that we have had in years. This will be the strong point of our team. We are very underrated. I will grade us based on Gleason being in the lineup. We are big, and defensive-minded. PP QB is the main concern.

Overall grade: B+

Goal Grade: A-

I expect Ward to have a solid year.

Prediction: 7th in the east with a 2nd round exit.

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He was on a 91pt pace last year.

 

What I was trying to say is that Gleason and Ruutu can still bring the needed grit to this team. To dismiss someone over a bad season or two is not good for the team. We've been waiting for Eric since 05-06, we can wait this season on the two T's.

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Number of players hitting 100 points:

 

2012-13: one (pace) St. Louis

2011-12: one, Malkin

2010-11: one, D.Sedin

2009-10: 4: Sedin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Crosby

2008-09: 3: Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin

2007-18: 2: Malkin, Ovechkin

 

Average: 1.7 players, but last 3 consecutive years average: ONE player.

 

 

E. Staal was #6 in the league (by himself) in scoring last year. 

 

 

As to the let downs after scoring, I agree that was a feature of the team after the slide last year. However, that team did not lay down. If they did we'd have Nathan McKinnon or Seth Jones. I kind of hoped they would at least a little more, but they did not.

 

However, hockey is an intensely effort-driven game. Even slight changes in effort at this level can lead to bad things happening fast. We've all seen good teams come in and for whatever reason not bring their A game and we're all over them. I have to think that no matter how much character you have, if you go out there shift after shift and bust your hinder and play all out and time after time you end up standing there while the other guy celebrates yet another goal. It HAS to affect you after a while. 

 

Every year (that we've been bad) a lot of people want the team to play it full out, win at nearly all costs, and get that winning feeling. But while I don't know much, I do know that every season is a new one and there is little actual evidence that it matters. Every year is a new team. If this team can do a better job in general of keeping the puck out of the net, that is mainly what will matter. Not the projection of last year's melt down that so many want to extrapolate to this year. I'm not saying it might not happen, but I don't think it will for any prolonged period.

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Semin at practice.  :woohoo:

 

Looks like Murphy just might be the PP specialist. He's practicing w/ the first PP unit.

 

Did Dvorak sign yet? He's playing w/ Nash and Skinner at practice.

 

All of the above per Chip.

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Must be playing a Cat and Mouse game with Dvorak? Is JR being El Cheapo or Dvorak attempting to get more length on a contract? Thought when we got past the LTIR designation for Joni, that that'd give enough for Dvoral + extra??

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Semin at practice.  :woohoo:

 

Looks like Murphy just might be the PP specialist. He's practicing w/ the first PP unit.

 

Did Dvorak sign yet? He's playing w/ Nash and Skinner at practice.

 

All of the above per Chip.

http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/depthchart.htm?dcid=12 per the depth chart, our 3rd line winger is "Hunter Garlent"  I assume that's the hockey version of "John Doe"

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Not so much worried about point production, It can be a good measure of your teams performance, but in any game your team could have more " points" but end up losing. Timing of points is more important to me. Although it is not a measurable stat, it's more of a feeling. How you react to an opponents goal, how much do you push when you are down, when you have a 1 goal lead do you coast or do you try to score more. Great wins are sometime not so much about individual points, but about wins.

 

I agree..... seems to me when the Canes get down, they seem to take it on the chin and not fight to get it back.. However a lot of under performers from last years team is gone.. McBain, Corvo, LaRose and some checkers.. My Opinion, there are still three others that need to moved, Conditioned, or bought out.. Pits, Gleason and Rut...Nonetheless this team on paper looks much improved to me...

So we agree our team has lacked that drive, edge, grit, heart, whatever you want to call it since 2005/06. You know what else we've lacked since then? True leaders on the team. I'm not knocking Eric Staal, but there is little to no leadership here and there hasn't been since Wesley, Brindy retired. Not since Stillman, Williams was traded and Whitney, Weight, Recchi walked. We tried to hand the reigns to our younger guys over time and they haven't really done anything. We signed players to horrible contracts (Gleason, Ruutu, Pitkanen) who never gave as much presence in the locker room or on the ice than their predecessors in terms of leaders on the team. 

 

This is why I wanted Morrow so badly. This is why I wanted a flyer on Jagr despite his age. This is why I'm still worried sick about this team going into the season. There were several games last year, during the height of our success when we were third in the conference where we would play amazing hockey for two periods, maybe one and a half periods, then just sit back and watch the other team come back and take the game from us. It's really disheartening as a fan to see your team just give the game away after it's been tucked in their back pockets. 

 

I'm hoping Eric and Semin exude leadership in terms of leading by example. But in reality leading by example is never enough. The team needs a voice, it needs several voices. They need someone to wake the guys up, ignite some reserve energy in them. They keep telling me Komisarek would be one of those guys, but Komisarek hasn't been able to stay on an NHL roster on a regular basis the past few seasons, so that's not entirely the best candidate. I don't know. Dvorak would be a nice experienced NHL veteran, but the reason in my opinion our 05/06 team was so good at never letting up, giving "whatever it takes", and coming back from behind time after time to rack up points in the standings was their big group of leaders. Dvorak and Komi may be voices, and leaders in terms of experience, but it's not what a team wanting to make the playoffs needs. They need players who are bigger parts/bigger roleplayers on the team to be those voices and be those leaders.

 

We just don't have it. But, hey, we made the ECF in 09 with pretty much no leadership as well. You never know.

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So we agree our team has lacked that drive, edge, grit, heart, whatever you want to call it since 2005/06. You know what else we've lacked since then? True leaders on the team. I'm not knocking Eric Staal, but there is little to no leadership here and there hasn't been since Wesley, Brindy retired. Not since Stillman, Williams was traded and Whitney, Weight, Recchi walked. We tried to hand the reigns to our younger guys over time and they haven't really done anything. We signed players to horrible contracts (Gleason, Ruutu, Pitkanen) who never gave as much presence in the locker room or on the ice than their predecessors in terms of leaders on the team. 

 

This is why I wanted Morrow so badly. This is why I wanted a flyer on Jagr despite his age. This is why I'm still worried sick about this team going into the season. There were several games last year, during the height of our success when we were third in the conference where we would play amazing hockey for two periods, maybe one and a half periods, then just sit back and watch the other team come back and take the game from us. It's really disheartening as a fan to see your team just give the game away after it's been tucked in their back pockets. 

 

I'm hoping Eric and Semin exude leadership in terms of leading by example. But in reality leading by example is never enough. The team needs a voice, it needs several voices. They need someone to wake the guys up, ignite some reserve energy in them. They keep telling me Komisarek would be one of those guys, but Komisarek hasn't been able to stay on an NHL roster on a regular basis the past few seasons, so that's not entirely the best candidate. I don't know. Dvorak would be a nice experienced NHL veteran, but the reason in my opinion our 05/06 team was so good at never letting up, giving "whatever it takes", and coming back from behind time after time to rack up points in the standings was their big group of leaders. Dvorak and Komi may be voices, and leaders in terms of experience, but it's not what a team wanting to make the playoffs needs. They need players who are bigger parts/bigger roleplayers on the team to be those voices and be those leaders.

 

We just don't have it. But, hey, we made the ECF in 09 with pretty much no leadership as well. You never know.

We kinda hit a perfect storm of veteran players in 06', keep in mind we had brindy, wesley and francis during some terrible seasons as well.

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We kinda hit a perfect storm of veteran players in 06', keep in mind we had brindy, wesley and francis during some terrible seasons as well.

Yeah, but we had horrible teams behind them. We have pretty damn good teams now, but no one in front to lead. That's my frustration.

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I don't think we can use last season as an example. I have never seen injuries like I saw last season including our starting and back up goalie going down. The expectation this season is to get to the post season. We actually have a defense now.

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I don't know anything about him, but by assuming the role he did in contract negotiations last year, you'd think Hainsey could well provide some clubhouse leadership to this team.   He's got the experience . . .

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I will say this. Our defense very much resembles the group we had in 05/06 that always had each other's backs. And our offense in my opinion is even better than 05/06. But I think if we want to make the post-season we need a true leader brought in. Hopefully one who fits the team well becomes available as the season progresses.

 

Someone to be like our Brindy.

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We know NOTHING about what goes on in the room.

 

To announce that the Canes need a leader is good for talk and a good guess, but unless one of us is in the room, we really don't know.

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We know NOTHING about what goes on in the room.

 

To announce that the Canes need a leader is good for talk and a good guess, but unless one of us is in the room, we really don't know.

Then I guess Rutherford was just speculating when he said it was dead quiet in there throughout the stretch when Cam went down.

 

Or the fact we can't seem to play a full game night in night out.

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Just saw where New Jersey put a young D on waivers, Alex Urbom. Have been seeing where he's been doing some good things this preseason. Wish we still had a spot for this guy?

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Then I guess Rutherford was just speculating when he said it was dead quiet in there throughout the stretch when Cam went down.

 

Or the fact we can't seem to play a full game night in night out.

 

I see wxray's point about not being in the room, but I have to agree with Sucka.  Just a few months ago, JR specifically stated "the room was too quiet" last year.  That was also the reason I was excited to hopefully add Morrow

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