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A few things...

 

Tripp was actually a realist last night when he said the bad PP has cost the Canes probably 6 pts this season.  How many points do the Canes usually miss the playoffs by?  No PP, no playoffs.

 

John this morning said the Canes need a PP specialist.  Really, John?  None of our extremely well paid guys can't handle running the PP?  Oh yeah, they can't execute face offs either.  Never mind, you are right.

 

There's a bad trend that is unfolding over the last 5 years now.  And it is JR putting all his eggs in "young stars".  By that I mean Skinner, Staal and Staal.  These sell jerseys and make girls happy, but I for one am getting concerned.  JR isn't building teams anymore.    He's lost focus.  The "star power" stuff is going to wear out on the fans and they won't be coming back if you continually can't show anything in games and seasons.

 

Just my $0.02.

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I wish Westgarth was on a 2-way contract or that Komi wasn't on a NMC.  I'd love to have Terry around for shootouts if nothing else.

 

Oh, and I know I'm not supposed to say this during a down time, but I still think the team is close to making things work.  There's are a couple of systemic things that need to be fixed (PP being the most obvious one).  But a break here and there would also do wonders imo.  I'm talking big factors like injuries (I don't think we can overstate how damaging that's been so far) to little things like an early goal, which feels like it would have made a difference in many of our losses so far.  The Canes are not laying down and I do see some positives (again, I know I'm not supposed to say that). From faceoff success (props to Manny) to J's improving play, to our goalies coming back (yes, I think this will make a difference, in spite of a good job by Pete in the interim).   

 

I'm not saying that I'm content with where we are and that we shouldn't make any moves, just that I don't think we're as bad as some would have us believe.   

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Recalling Lindholm is a move we had to make. I'm not sure he will play center. I expect he will slot back in the third line wing spot. He clearly has talent and we need scoring. Its time for him to show why we passed over others to draft him. Although the Lindholm scenario is a little different our call ups have little time to make a case for themselves. I like Terry and his hard heavy shot but you better produce and do it quick or your back riding the bus. We are out of time and patience.

 

Lindholm might help our power play but I'm beginning to see that the Power Play woes are more a reflection of our overall top 9 play. Slow, predictable and without that scoring mentality and drive needed to be a difference maker.

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Per Chip...Appears Lindholm to center Dvorak, Skinner. Tlusty, Ruutu with EStaal. Nash working with Malhotra, Bowman. Westgarth also on 4th line.

 

I think this is a good move...just hope that Tlusty can get his act together and PRODUCE!  Let's just get healthy and roll theses lines:

 

Semin E Ruutu

Gerbe J Dwyer

Skinner Lindholm Dvorak/Tlusty

Bowman Manny Dvorak/Tlusty

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Well I've said it before and I'll say it again: we need an emoticon of a guy patting himself on the back.

 

Post game day (GDT) called the Lindholm in Nash out thing. *pats self on back*.

 

The power play at near 10% is costing us about one goal per 5 powerplays. No doubt we'd have won a few more games with just an aveaage PP. We need our forwards to put up more points. Period. I get the defense first thing, but Mo talked about that alot too. We have horses. Right now they are mostly mules. We have to find a way to get to some structured offense.

 

Last night we were just outplayed. Detroit "wanted it more". They were "winning the little battles". But our utter lack of offensive structure is going to bite us (it already is). Last night's goals were two sweet plays, but they almost looked improvised in the context of the rest of the last 3 games.

 

All is not lost, (I saw stretches of good offensive structure in the two games before this losing streak) but this team has still not found it's game, and showed flashes even during the bad years. Flashes need to become consistent.

 

I agree that a move specifically aimed at the PP is key. I'll tell you I have not been a huge fan of JM Liles, but when we added our PP specialist last year it DID help the PP. I have to think that getting the PP rolling will help the 5 on 5 offense too.

 

If we make a move, it may not need to be a PP specialist, but they better be able to help the PP.

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Honestly, we're seeing what our offense is like without Pitkanen. Like him or not this guy created A LOT of chances and got the puck out of our zone and through the neutral zone very quickly. Either way, I don't know what to so. I have lost faith in Eric Staal especially for what we're paying him. Jordan looks way better than STaal out there. If it gets worse, I am all for a full rebuild. Trade Eric, Ward, and others for draft picks, cap friendly players, and up and comers. We should be winning now but we're not.

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Argue with me all you want but I am 100% confident that part of this team is where it is due to not having their best defense men in the line up. That d-man was Joni Pitkanen. He was quite the play maker and got the puck into the attacking zone with relative ease. I never understood why people always threw him under the bus.

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A few things...

 

Tripp was actually a realist last night when he said the bad PP has cost the Canes probably 6 pts this season.  How many points do the Canes usually miss the playoffs by?  No PP, no playoffs.

 

John this morning said the Canes need a PP specialist.  Really, John?  None of our extremely well paid guys can't handle running the PP?  Oh yeah, they can't execute face offs either.  Never mind, you are right.

 

There's a bad trend that is unfolding over the last 5 years now.  And it is JR putting all his eggs in "young stars".  By that I mean Skinner, Staal and Staal.  These sell jerseys and make girls happy, but I for one am getting concerned.  JR isn't building teams anymore.    He's lost focus.  The "star power" stuff is going to wear out on the fans and they won't be coming back if you continually can't show anything in games and seasons.

 

Just my $0.02.

Thought Murphy was the PP Specialist. How many can the team have? Liles would be a very, very expensive specialist for those considering him. Perhaps we need a new PP coach and let MacLean do something else.

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Im usually  so pro canes, trade  E.staal  [ I know, wherever he goes he probably scores a hattie,. but drastic  times call for drastic measures, Novembers to us is actually march :)    JMO

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Thought Murphy was the PP Specialist. How many can the team have? Liles would be a very, very expensive specialist for those considering him. Perhaps we need a new PP coach and let MacLean do something else.

 

I believe he addressed that.  (I hope I'm not mis-remembering and accidetally read the following memory here which I am attributing to John on the radio...)

 

What he basically said was: it is a lot to put on a young 20 y.o. defenseman.  He's doing great, but PP "quarterback" may be a little too much right now.

 

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It is just really frustrating to hear this from our analyists.  We need a FO specialist.  We need a PP QB.  We need toughness.

 

What the heck?  And all the other extremely paid guys should just ride along?  In the grand scheme, I thought we'd have this:

 

- Faulk: PP QB (not highly paid yet, but on the cusp, obviously)

- Staal: Leader by example for all things

- J Staal: big boy plants in front of the net and takes on the dirty tasks

- Ruutu/Gleason: toughness, hitting, etc.

- Skinner/Semin: skill and scoring

- Ward: stands on his head

 

Instead we have Peters, Bellmore, Malhotra, Sekera, Murphy, etc carrying a lot of water.

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I think that if it is not better by January 1, light the fuse and blow it up.  Start with the GM and lets get rid of the dead weight and get people in here who want to win, and will do what it takes to win.  I am sick of hearing about the damn system.  NEWSFLASH:  THE SYSTEM AINT WORKING!  The guys on this team are talented, and have played this game a long time.  I am sure if the system in place would work, they would have either figured it out by now, or they just don't care.  I would put my money on the latter of the 2. It aint working now, and it hasn't worked for the last several years.  The fans have pretty much come to expect the under achiever attitude and the excuses, and to a degree are excepting it.  We even pay $15 to park!  That's why you can hear the opposing teams fans over ours JR!!!  Are you listening, you idiot?  These half #$$#d trades and recycling has gotten us nowhere. 

 

If the guys don't want to win and give what it takes, get rid of them.  We have NOBODY that gives what the Rangers Callahan gives everytime I watch him play.  Just one example.  They have heart, our guys, not all but the ones that should, don't appear to have any of that.  Other than Manny, I have yet to see our players lay out to block a shot.  We don't clear the crease, we pretty much invite them in.

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and someone up here recently made an excellent point about taking penalties against our team.  We have no power play and nobody that will make an opposing player pay for actions against our stars.  What do opposing teams have to lose by taking a penalty or run at our guys?

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and someone up here recently made an excellent point about taking penalties against our team.  We have no power play and nobody that will make an opposing player pay for actions against our stars.  What do opposing teams have to lose by taking a penalty or run at our guys?

 

You know, I don't know if it is happening or not, but on some level it also makes sense that other teams can slash poke etc, more than usual since the "penalty" for doing that is pretty light. We tend to key in on the big hits, but they are not that common even against us. 

 

Just throwing it out there to see if anyone thinks there's anything to it.

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Hope Lindholm has found his game in Charlotte.  Only 1 goal and 2 assists in 6 games (presumably playing on a "scoring" line).  Monahan has 8 goals and 6 assists in Calgary.  Just sayin'.  I really thought he would be the player the Hurricanes would take in the draft.  I know you cannot judge long-term prospects of 2 players on a 20 game sample, but so far, it is pretty one-sided.

 

As for the general malaise of this team, I go back to the biggest organizational decision after we last made the playoffs.  We gace Eric the "C".  No playoffs since.  Sadly though if you took it away from him, who the heck would you give it to?  We are on pace to get 20 goals and a -52 from our $9 million man.  I have always been a huge fan of Eric's, but if you are going to blow this team up and try to really change its identity, I think that is where you have to start (with a buyout of the remaining $48 million on J's contract after the season unless he shows a lot more than decent defense and a 12 goal pace the rest of the season).

 

Remkin, is the island still out there?

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Its way to early to blow the team up but not to early to make a move or two. It was only last week I think I read Lindholm was going to stay in Charlotte for a longer stint. Calling him back tells me patience is wearing thin with our current roster and we have little time to let them skate through it.  I think Lindholm will help but I'm not sure he will cure our ills. If I every saw a team that needs a shake up its this one.

 

A move or two could help and if it doesn't there will be plenty of time to blow up the team after the Olympics. I still think we can get going and make a playoff run.

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Hope Lindholm has found his game in Charlotte.  Only 1 goal and 2 assists in 6 games (presumably playing on a "scoring" line). 

 

 

 

don't think these stats show he is doing that great with the Checkers.  Could the recall be more about contract issues than stats

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw how bad Nash was last game. I'm sorry but he does not belong on the third line, he is a fourth line center at best. I call him "The Necromancer" because every time he touches the puck, any offensive momentum we have at the time just dies.

As for Comparing Lindholm and Monahan, that's not really a fair comparison since Monahan gets significant minutes (including the PP), whereas Lindholm's time is less (and he has played fewer games). Monahan also plays with some skilled guys, whereas Lindholm has been used on the third and fourth lines. Monahan is also 4th worst on his team at -6. As I said previously, I like both guys, and we could sure use some scoring, but I'm just throwing out some reasons that comparisons aren't really fair at this point. Also, I'm more concerned with where they are at in a few years time, not as 18/19 year olds. I know I'm a Lindholm fanboy and will jump to his defense, but I'm just sayin'.

As for the Canes PP, I've given up trying to figure out how a team can look so bad year after year. It really is baffling, but I don't think a defensemen like Liles is the answer. Toronto fans seem to be begging for someone to take this guy off their hands. I still think we have the players to have at least a decent PP, but it just never materializes. We've had different players and different coaches with the same poor results, it's frustrating as hell.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw how bad Nash was last game. I'm sorry but he does not belong on the third line, he is a fourth line center at best. I call him "The Necromancer" because every time he touches the puck, any offensive momentum we have at the time just dies.

As for Comparing Lindholm and Monahan, that's not really a fair comparison since Monahan gets significant minutes (including the PP), whereas Lindholm's time is less (and he has played fewer games). Monahan also plays with some skilled guys, whereas Lindholm has been used on the third and fourth lines. Monahan is also 4th worst on his team at -6. As I said previously, I like both guys, and we could sure use some scoring, but I'm just throwing out some reasons that comparisons aren't really fair at this point. Also, I'm more concerned with where they are at in a few years time, not as 18/19 year olds. I know I'm a Lindholm fanboy and will jump to his defense, but I'm just sayin'.

As for the Canes PP, I've given up trying to figure out how a team can look so bad year after year. It really is baffling, but I don't think a defensemen like Liles is the answer. Toronto fans seem to be begging for someone to take this guy off their hands. I still think we have the players to have at least a decent PP, but it just never materializes. We've had different players and different coaches with the same poor results, it's frustrating as hell.

 

Hey man a necromancer brings things back from the dead he dosent put them there, just saying. Perhaps call him the pale horse cause thats what death rode in on. But I agree lol.

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I though our defense has been much better this year. Our anemic offense has been the problem. But what do I know. Just don't understand stand where the magic of tlusty,Staal,semen line went.

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Hey man a necromancer brings things back from the dead he dosent put them there, just saying. Perhaps call him the pale horse cause thats what death rode in on. But I agree lol.

Doh!

You're right. Back to the drawing board. Seriously though, he must have pictures of JR or Muller in compromising positions to get the ice time he does......or maybe its both. Hmmmmm.

We use him on the PP (even 5 on 3), PK, consistently on 4 on 4 situations (including overtime), and in the shootout. Doesn't he have one goal on the season, and I think that one bounced off his pants. They must be some very interesting photos.

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We are only 1 point away from being bottom of our division :help:  but  all is not lost. Win 5 in a row and we are tied for 1st :D

 

 

and our last five game win streak was when?  we will know the Canes are in trouble if the Sens fans can drown out the Canes fans on Sunday

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