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On the one hand not a fan of 41 year old players in the NHL.

 

On the other hand, Jagr. 

 

We do need power play help. 

 

And...Jagr for crying out loud.

 

Who is this AJ guy?

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Oh man, for a few seconds there I was about to freak out in a good way. I'd definitely go buy a mullet wig and an away Jagr jersey. However, there's rumors of this everywhere, it's all over twitter. Nothing has been confirmed. 

 

On Mason Raymond...

Sounds like the Flames and Hurricanes.

On Jagr...

Carolina leading the way on this one.

Yeah, it's eklund so it's most likely just coming out of his  :censored: . However, he isn't the only guy apparently saying this. Also didn't think we were interested in Raymond.

 

Also, Jagr was reportedly in deep talks with Montreal, but now the word is they're done talking and Jagr is moving on from them. Somehow that leaves us as the frontrunner. Source

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Now why would Montreal walk away from signing Jagr? Let me think....Oh thats right, He is 41!

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Well Chip said:

"Was told Jagr speculation not true."

But what speculation? That it was done, or that we are in the picture?

If Jagr is willing to play a limited role, the guy can still produce, especially on the PP (something we need badly).

Definitely adds to the veritas in the room.

IF he can still bring it at least at a third line level could be interesting third line and PP. Put him w/ Lindholm and ...

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Well it appears he can still bring it and he does add the experience we need. But he just went through a long playoff season. I thought he looked tired by the cup series. I'm just not sure when the batteries will run down. Now if we were about to make the playoffs at trade deadline I would sign him in a second. On a team with so many unanswered questions I'm not that keen on Jagr.

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35 points in 45 games ain't too bad for a 41-year old.  Still, I'd be surprised if we signed him.

 

Edit:  I saw Jagr to Montreal, Jagr to Carolina, and Jagr to Buffalo in the last hour out there.  Somebody's bored.

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Samson signed with the Jets. Not unexpected since we weren't going to sign him but I will miss Chuck K calling his name on the occasions he skated with the big club.

 Going to miss this kid, had promise..

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The consensus that we really need one more third line forward is one just about all of us agree on. 

 

I had brought up Cooke a few times for a few reasons. One two Canes "insiders" were throwing his name out there at the end of the season and Tripp went out of his way to gush about how Cooke has seen the errors of his ways etc etc. Second, team toughness is a different concept from Goons. 

 

Let me digress. Westgarth is a great example. Big tough drops the glove, supposedly make the guys "feel" better that he's there. And the somewhat stupid part of this game means someone has to fight, so might as well have a guy there for that. But the man is slower that a goalie skating around in full equipment. Then, because he'd struggle to make an AHL roster if he wasn't a pugilist, he's only out there a few minutes a game anyway. Then, if player A is a midsized guy who runs one of our guys, protochol does not insist that he fight the huge goon anyway. So more often than not Goon A just ends up fighting Goon B for the sideshow thrill of it. Not exactly sure how that makes anyone feel safe, but I'm not out there.

 

Anyway, in this "instigator-rule" league, it is just hard to imagine anyone being too afraid of our goon since only a couple guys on the roster will ever have to fight him.

 

But, a rugged, maybe not dirty, but a bit close to the line guy that hits everything in sight and just might retaliate with a questionable shot, that gets ice time because he can actually play, that guy can affect the game on many nights. That guy just might keep you honest. 

 

I'm not saying it had to be Matt Cooke, but while he was over the line at times, that reputation works against him, but also for him as you are aware that if you cheap shot Skinner, you will not have to fight Westgarth, but you might get get a cheap shot back at you from Cooke. Might make you think twice. 

 

Anyway, Cooke would have filled the bill. Maybe too checkered a past for some to take, but I cannot agree more that this type of guy is the final piece this team needs. 

 

Clearly we are built for Skinner and J. to give more, and Ruutu to be there. Hey, if that doesn't happen the whole thing comes down. As you know I think that Skinner and J are both going to break out this year. If they do, and our defense is tighter and Cam stays healthy, then the remaining problem is the third line. 

 

While it would be nice for Bowman, Dalpe, or Boychuk, or someone to take ownership of that and really step up, that is at best a back up plan at this point. 

 

Lindholm is very young. No question. Though he has played vs. men. But Lindholm is not Dalpe. Dalpe was a second rounder with upside. Linholm is a top 5 pick in a great draft year. His upside is elite. Dalpe's upside is solid. 

 

Anyway, I was sad to see Cooke go just because he is the prototype if a bit over the line, of what we need. 

 

JR should move prospects (other than Rask) or whatever it takes to find that guy, because that will round this team out nicely.

 Im not believer in Cooke changing his ways, not at all..

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Looking at the FA available on NHL com I have no idea as to the one I would select but would need to meet the following criteria

 

late twenties to early thirties

proven goal scoring abilities 

proven PP experience

proven playoff experience

ability to be a mentor to the Canes' younger players

not a head case

agrees to JR's asking price

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There are some teams that will need to shed salary as the season approaches. They will be looking to trade while taking back little if any NHL player contracts. There are going to be 3rd and 4th liners available if we don't sign one of the FA.

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Morrow, Boyes, or Jagr please. All bring veteran intangibles, capable of scoring, and have some size. All seem perfect for the third line, besides maybe Jagr being able to be slotted higher. Morrow would help the PK, Jagr or Boyes would help PP. Morrow would bring physicality, Boyes or Jagr would bring secondary scoring. I'd like any of these three :P

OBXer, on 07 Jul 2013 - 16:29, said:

Now why would Montreal walk away from signing Jagr? Let me think....Oh thats right, He is 41!

Actually it was most likely the fact they have like 1.4m in cap space so in order to sign him they'd have to move someone.

Sorry about the double post :( And as far as Jagr and his age is concerned, he is in pretty damn good shape. He went from one system to another in the middle of the season and still produced at a fairly regular pace. Jagr was one of Dallas's best players last season. The only thing you have to do with a guy like Jagr is give him a specific role, and make him focus on filling that role. Shelter his time slightly, use him where he will succeed.

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Im starting to see more and more we arent a desired destination for most free agents. Wings just signed weiss.

What? It's trending in the other direction actually. This year was the first time I've heard of a bigger name guy (reportedly Morrow, some think Jagr) approach JR and say they'd take a shorter term and less pay just to play for our team next year. That sounds like the opposite of not being a desired destination. Not to mention you must take into account our roster we already have. A top 6 center isn't going to want to come here, we have two top centers already. It's just like as if a starter wouldn't sign here, because we already have one. 

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Im starting to see more and more we arent a desired destination for most free agents. Wings just signed weiss.

 

Detroit winters over Raleigh winters?

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Jagr can still produce for sure but my friend who loves the Stars was unimpressed with his effort. Sometimes producing points just comes naturally with no effort but he was not upset when Jagr was moved.

 

Just saying, I don't think we can turn our nose's up to him but I'm not quite sure given our cap situation how we could throw the money he'd want his way.

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What? It's trending in the other direction actually. This year was the first time I've heard of a bigger name guy (reportedly Morrow, some think Jagr) approach JR and say they'd take a shorter term and less pay just to play for our team next year. That sounds like the opposite of not being a desired destination. Not to mention you must take into account our roster we already have. A top 6 center isn't going to want to come here, we have two top centers already. It's just like as if a starter wouldn't sign here, because we already have one. 

 I completely agree. I started following this team when they moved to Raleigh. When they REALLY couldn't sign a big name free agent, and now players WANT to come here. "Most" of the players that signed on day 1 are GROSSLY overpaid, It was about money for most of them. Players have found this to be a great place to not only play, but retire. Above all else though... the team needs to WIN to continue to get players to WANT to come here. I mean, would Doug Weight and Recchi have come in 06 if the Canes weren't serious cup contenders? Probably, because they didn't have no-trade clauses. But those guys gave it everything that had for this team, and won a cup... because we were WINNING and were legitament contenders. If JR keeps the trend going in the right direction, the team can definitely be a contender again. And he's most likely selling the team as a contender to whomever the "mysrery free agent" is.... or, was?

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I don't think it would take much to convince a player we're at least making the playoffs this coming season. Just throw out the general excuses/reasons which do make sense. A healthy Ward+Ruutu+Pitkanen+Semin, a more acclimated Jordan Staal, an actual third line (hopefully), a real defense, a promising relatively young backup goaltender, a blossoming Tlusty, the first training camp for Muller, the first full 82 game season from Muller, a new division against teams we're historically better against than our old divisional rivals. There's a lot working in our favor next year. I can understand the pessimism and negative nancies on this forum, but it's not like we're friggin Calgary or Florida here. 

 

Oh, and real defensive depth. I repeat myself a lot here, but we have Pitkanen (healthy he's easily our best defenseman, top pairing anchor), Faulk (every season he gets better and more rounded out, never out of position, high ceiling considering his age, most likely new pairing mate for Pitkanen), Gleason (has potential to rebound with a new pairing mate in Sekera), Sekera (was the best dman for Buffalo in many aspects, reading up on him you learn he's pretty damn good at moving the puck up the ice into the offensive zone, but is still more defensive), Komisarek (Size and grit, if focused on a certain role [hitting hard/pushing players out of our goalies line of sight, blocking shots/passes, staying in position], Harrison (knows his role [look to Komi's], seems capable of really blossoming as a pair with Komi, both big bodies, great hard slapper and big reach for poke checking), Murphy (Obvious offensive threat, small but smart and quick, powerplay specialist), Bellemore (another big body, hits well, skates well considering size, passing has been improving), Jordan (played his way to being qualified, played well in first NHL action, solid defensive prospect who can step in and play well under sheltered minutes in case of injury/emergency). 

 

And again, getting rid of Corvo (booming shot, decent point player on PP, horrible in own zone, turnovers galore), Bergeron (PP specialist, shouldn't even be considered a defenseman, put him out 5 on 5 and you most likely are getting scored on no matter what), Sanguinetti (I liked Sangs to be honest, tough and driven [remember those injuries he played through? or that game he got kicked in the face with a skate, got stitches, and came back to play] but obviously needs more developing and work on own zone play, we simply can't afford to let a defenseman develop that slowly on our NHL roster with an already weak defense).

 

I think we have a good case for making the playoffs next year. And this is just looking at everything on paper. I highly doubt anything weird like Sekera being horrible or Komi not even being able to simply hit and block shots happens. In fact, it seems way more likely the two guys we added to our blueline will make those around them better (so I expect an improved Harrison and Gleason). And we already have a couple guys on our blueline that make those around them better (Faulk, Pitkanen [if truly healthy]).

 

We have a stacked top 6 and we scored at a high pace with basically one line carrying the offensive load. With a full training camp and a revisited lineup, imagine our first line staying at that pace while the second line actually produces at least half of that. And a real third line, providing secondary scoring. Should Lindholm be ready, we have a strong 1-2-3 in centers with Eric, Jordan, Elias. Just find a left winger to play with Lindholm and Dwyer (if Rask, Dalpe, Bowman, Boychuk, or Jared Staal isn't ready). Even without a vet added to our third line, we potentially have three stacked lines if one of our prospects actually steps up and delivers on his potential.

 

Sorry for this novel of a post, but I felt like gushing some optimism here. We could always use the rainbows and unicorns :)

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  Im not believer in Cooke changing his ways, not at all..

The Don doesn't believe it either...and if he thinks you're a POS, you probably are.

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Jagr can still produce for sure but my friend who loves the Stars was unimpressed with his effort. Sometimes producing points just comes naturally with no effort but he was not upset when Jagr was moved.

 

Just saying, I don't think we can turn our nose's up to him but I'm not quite sure given our cap situation how we could throw the money he'd want his way.

 

The longer this drags on, the more I think we won't get him.  This isn't another Semin "wait and see" deal in the works. 

 

My wife is a Stars fan (since she was raised in the Metroplex) and was more upset about Ryder being traded for Cole AND a 3rd rounder (highway robbery) than Jagr being shipped out for a conditional 2nd to the B's (mostly because she likes the B's too).  I think Jagr, if we can get him for 1.5-2 mil, can be a huge boon to the 3rd line.  And given the choice between us, the Slugs and the Habs, I would say that us and the Habs are the only ones with a decent shot at the playoffs next season...which will be his last.

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The Don doesn't believe it either...and if he thinks you're a POS, you probably are.

 

I was on the road a lot during the playoffs and listened to a lot of the playoff games on XM.  My absolute favorite games were the Pens-Sens games played in Ottawa.  The announcers were hilarious!

 

They are big homers, and the massive dripping sarcasm about the "newer and nicer" Matt Cooke was awesome.  I really hope there are some snips of their comments.  They were awesome.  Those guys made it very clear they don't think Cooke has changed a bit.

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Well Cooke is gone, so at this point he's more of a metaphor. If he really hasn't changed at all then he's not the guy, but come a little more in the decent guy direction and he's the type of guy that it just seems we need. We need a third line that can score, but we need toughness also. 

 

On Jagr, I am not a fan of 40 plus year old NHL players. I thought Whitney's age made him too big a risk. I appeared to have been wrong about him, but still he is the exception to the rule. 

 

The issue of effort I can't speak to. Jagr will do what he wants at this point in his career, and that could be an issue, but he is a big body, still tough on the PP, and Kirk wants a third line that can score and lord knows our PP could use some help. 

 

Plus what a superstar obvious HOF guy to have on the team. 

 

I agree he'd have to want to come here, take a reasonable salary and a defined smaller role, but imagine having him as your #8 forward.  

 

Probably won't happen, but intriguing.

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