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I really can't even speculate anymore.... The Jagr rumors still say we're leading in landing him. I thought that was debunked by CH.com. So everyone was thinking a different forward (Morrow/Grabs). Because most of use were under the impression that JR was done with the defense. Now there are rumors that it's a defenseman... I really can't even begin to understand what may happen. But until everyone is signed, I guess we can't pull anyone's name off the table.

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I really can't even speculate anymore.... The Jagr rumors still say we're leading in landing him. I thought that was debunked by CH.com. So everyone was thinking a different forward (Morrow/Grabs). Because most of use were under the impression that JR was done with the defense. Now there are rumors that it's a defenseman... I really can't even begin to understand what may happen. But until everyone is signed, I guess we can't pull anyone's name off the table.

Hainsey and Whitney are not our mystery man. Our mystery man would be more recognizable throughout the league, a forward, and we'd have moved someone in a trade for one of them if they were. I think this is a precursor, get actual defense depth so you make one expendable. My guess is JR has been trying to offload a forward to make room for mystery man, and it hasn't gone anywhere. Mystery man's patience is waning, tells JR to do something now or they will move on. JR signs one of Hainsey or Whitney to make trading a defenseman possible, since no one is interested in our forwards (or willing to pay a fair return). So JR is now trying to sign up one of these defensemen so he can shop Gleason or Harrison or whomever and get that room for mystery man. I'm just guessing here.

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I'm not holding my breath for the "top tier UFA" by JR.  Long ago he stated he was looking for a Top 6 Forward and it took 2 years.  ok, he eventually did it, but a whole season went by, and STH paid full price for that dismal year.

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Josh Rimer@JoshRimerHockey24s

Been told 2 guys the Hurricanes are talking to are Ryan Whitney & Ron Hainsey. They'll only sign 1 of them, & less then their asking for.

Not really excited about either player, particularly Whitney who I think is just brutal. It seems like we have been interested in this guy for awhile, and I just can't figure out why. He has some offensive skill, but is a defensive liability and is very inconsistent. I don't remember when/if he ever played a full season or didn't miss significant time due to injury or just being benched. If we land this guy, I will be really disappointed and any positive feelings JR has generated will be gone.

Look at his career statistics and tell me if they are appealing to you?

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Not really excited about either player, particularly Whitney who I think is just brutal. It seems like we have been interested in this guy for awhile, and I just can't figure out why. He has some offensive skill, but is a defensive liability and is very inconsistent.

A defensive liability and inconsistent? This guy was born to be a Cane.

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Some are suggesting Gleason is the one JR wants to move, but im not sure I want to give up on him just yet...

 

He played all of last season on a hurt limb and brings some physical presence which we need. I'd like to see what he has next year.

 

Pitkanen on the other hand can hit the high road.

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I'm just saying that Gleason and Pits have the salaries. 

 

I really think I am missing the point here. 

 

Whitney is no upgrade. Hainsey would be an upgrade if he was in the 5-6 slot, but doubt he sees himself that way. He has a decent plus minus vs. his team the last two years, despite not putting up a single goal over that time, but he's been described as inconsistent and way to soft for his size (sounds exactly like Pitkanen but without any offense). 

 

We currently have six NHL dmen, and at least two call ups. 

 

The only way we upgrade this defense by adding Hainsey is if he is replacing Harrison. But we would lose Harrison's physicality and I just doubt Hainsey sees himself as a bottom pair guy, and that would add payroll. So it isn't that.

 

If we trade Pits and get a cheaper Hainsey, and get a return on Pits, and bring up Murphy as a #7 dman PP specialist...I guess that would make some sense, but some have suggested Pits can't be traded due to injury.

 

Someone explain!!! I can see we need a third line forward. Not sure we need another average defenseman.

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I'm just saying that Gleason and Pits have the salaries. 

 

I really think I am missing the point here. 

 

Whitney is no upgrade. Hainsey would be an upgrade if he was in the 5-6 slot, but doubt he sees himself that way. He has a decent plus minus vs. his team the last two years, despite not putting up a single goal over that time, but he's been described as inconsistent and way to soft for his size (sounds exactly like Pitkanen but without any offense). 

 

We currently have six NHL dmen, and at least two call ups. 

 

The only way we upgrade this defense by adding Hainsey is if he is replacing Harrison. But we would lose Harrison's physicality and I just doubt Hainsey sees himself as a bottom pair guy, and that would add payroll. So it isn't that.

 

If we trade Pits and get a cheaper Hainsey, and get a return on Pits, and bring up Murphy as a #7 dman PP specialist...I guess that would make some sense, but some have suggested Pits can't be traded due to injury.

 

Someone explain!!! I can see we need a third line forward. Not sure we need another average defenseman.

I don't think Gleason has medical clearance either. So Pits and Tim would/could be low value/high salary guys going nowhere, IMO.

 

As for Hainsey, you're pretty tough on him. Granted he's not an offensive d-man but I've never heard him described as anything other than a 1st or 2nd pairing, if a team needs a defensive d-man. That being said, I'm not sure we need him or Whitney, since we got Sekera and Komi.

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As for Hainsey, you're pretty tough on him. Granted he's not an offensive d-man but I've never heard him described as anything other than a 1st or 2nd pairing, if a team needs a defensive d-man. That being said, I'm not sure we need him or Whitney, since we got Sekera and Komi.

 

My point is that while he may be a decent 3-4 guy, we already have that. Is he a major upgrade on Gleason or Pits? I really doubt he is a big upgrade on Sekera and I'm quite sure he's not an upgrade on Faulk. 

 

So if our top 4 is: Gleason, Faulk, Sekera, Pitkanen is Hainsey a big upgrade on them? 

 

If not then he is only an upgrade if he replaces a lower dman or pushes one of those guys down. 

 

This is the Hockey News scouting report on Hainsey. I don't claim to know. I have enough trouble evaluating our own defensemen.

 

Assets: Has excellent mobility, size and reach. Can play on either side of the ice. Displays some offensive ability. Is capable of logging a ton of minutes, if required. Flaws: Is far too soft for his big frame. Can go through rough stretches in all elements of the game over the course of the season. Is also somewhat brittle and inconsistent. Career Potential: Inconsistent all-round defenseman.
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My point is that while he may be a decent 3-4 guy, we already have that. Is he a major upgrade on Gleason or Pits? I really doubt he is a big upgrade on Sekera and I'm quite sure he's not an upgrade on Faulk. 

 

So if our top 4 is: Gleason, Faulk, Sekera, Pitkanen is Hainsey a big upgrade on them? 

 

If not then he is only an upgrade if he replaces a lower dman or pushes one of those guys down. 

 

This is the Hockey News scouting report on Hainsey. I don't claim to know. I have enough trouble evaluating our own defensemen.

 

Assets: Has excellent mobility, size and reach. Can play on either side of the ice. Displays some offensive ability. Is capable of logging a ton of minutes, if required. Flaws: Is far too soft for his big frame. Can go through rough stretches in all elements of the game over the course of the season. Is also somewhat brittle and inconsistent. Career Potential: Inconsistent all-round defenseman.

I agree, we do not need him now because it wouldn't be a significant upgrade to our current line-up.

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If he's got the tools to be all-around I don't mind us taking a shot at getting him firing on all cylinders. Not making the playoffs your entire career has to start to wear on you.

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If he's got the tools to be all-around I don't mind us taking a shot at getting him firing on all cylinders. Not making the playoffs your entire career has to start to wear on you.

I agree if we had a hole; but we just brought in Sekera and Komi.

 

The only thing I could see is to trade Harrison, move Sekera to 3rd pair with Komi, and have Pits and Hainsey as the 2nd pairing. Is Hainsey worth all this?

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Is there a problem with having 7 NHL defensemen on the roster?  Who is to say Pitkanen is even ready to start the season?  Could be we just need more depth on D just in case.

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We all know if we let  Piks go, hes probaly a  allstar  where he ends up :)   I think JR  is in a tough spot, is Joni  100 percent by training camp??? WE dont need a scoring  dman, and what i have seen of HAINSEY, HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT,  Consistent BEING THE KEY WORD..



Is there a problem with having 7 NHL defensemen on the roster?  Who is to say Pitkanen is even ready to start the season?  Could be we just need more depth on D just in case. This...

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I'd rather have 7 NHL ready D-men rather then 5 with an injury carousel all year.

Is there a problem with having 7 NHL defensemen on the roster?  Who is to say Pitkanen is even ready to start the season?  Could be we just need more depth on D just in case.

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JR said we could carry 7 or 8 D-men. Of course I don't buy 8 but 7 is a good possibility. I was thinking he was  talking Bellemore or Murphy as the 7 or 8. I guess you never know. I still think we are trying to add a forward.

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If you look at the defensemen that the Canes were reduced to playing last year at times (and the year before that, and the year before that, etc), I don't think having a 7th legit NHL defenseman on the roster is a bad thing.  Bellemore and Murphy can't be counted on, just yet.  If JR could land somebody and make the money work, then great.

 

I'm with Coastal on the thing with Pits being ready.  I'm not so sure.  When he was hurt, I heard a lot of talk about how tough that was to recover from.  I don't think that Pits is a guy that plays well with any nagging injuries.

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Will Hainsey not be signed in the 3-4 mill range anyways?...

He's not much of an upgrade over Pitkanen, and I'm not expecting to trade Pits away for anything valuable in return. Unless it's in a packaged deal.

Idk I think it's just a waste especially if Pits is bought out...

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Yeah, but who is worth dumping just to add defensive depth which we arguably already have when we already have almost no bottom six forwards who can actually contribute?

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I am hoping its Pitkanen going to the Avalanche.  I mentioned a trade earlier in my crazy trade thoughts that is a pretty decent idea.  Pits for Jamie McGinn and Stefan Elliot.  They carry a combined 2.65 salary cap so we would add 1.85m to our available space (so 7.1m for Hainsey and Lindholm).  Jamie McGinn would be a great 3rd line LW and Elliot would a great 7th dman that we can carry on the roster for minimal  cap hit.  Murphy and Bellemore really need as much PT as they can instead of sitting in the press box waiting for someone to get injured. McGinnn would be a great way to go if we slide Ruutu down to the 3rd line center and be a great shutdown line. 

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I guess you have to look at Lindholm as a possible improvement on the third line. I think we will fill out the fourth line with Westgarth and one or two Chex depending on if we dress 7 D like last year.

 

I have had the same concern about Pits being ready since the heel injury but the team says he should be good by training camp.

 

If it was someone like Hainsey we go after I would think you would need to move more then Harrison's salary.

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