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Sucka, regarding your thoughts, not sure I agree with your contention here, You comment that several players did not perform well last year, and that's agreed upon by everyone on these boards, I think. But then you contend that you would not keep several pairs together for that reason.

 

My thought is, I wonder if the pairings were wrong verses the system they were placed in? Isn't it possible that given the new coach, likely with a completely different approach, wouldn't it be prudent to at least give those familiar pairs a trial in the new system, before abandoning them? Thus, could be the system was flawed, rather than the pairings?

 

As to my previous comment on Sharp, that was just me dreaming, as I've always admired the player, but if consideration is being given to a "blockbuster trade", one involving him, and one of our "big names" might not be too far fetched? Cam would not even have to be a consideration in this scenario? Just food for thought!

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One of the biggest reasons Muller was fired was the way he set up the lines. Why would we keep players together when they're going to be playing a whole new system with a brand new coaching staff? Disagree completely. If certain players gel together still under the new coach, fine. But why would we try to keep players together that had success once? Tlusty, Semin, J, Nash, and Lindy didn't really have great seasons. Don't understand this thinking.

 

I am not defending Muller. It was obvious the players couldn't play to his system and he couldn't adjust his system to the players. But when he adjusted lines he didn't have the players to cover the moves. Move Semin and Tlusty with J and the E line disappears. Move them back with E and the J line disappears. The only line that appeared to have chemistry was the Nash line with Skinner and Lindy.

 

We may not re-sign Tlusty. We may make trades that changes everything but I'm looking at combos that seem to have promise. Injury apparently played a big part with both Semin and Tlusty last year so my hope is they regain form. They aren't that bad together.

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I am not defending Muller. It was obvious the players couldn't play to his system and he couldn't adjust his system to the players. But when he adjusted lines he didn't have the players to cover the moves. Move Semin and Tlusty with J and the E line disappears. Move them back with E and the J line disappears. The only line that appeared to have chemistry was the Nash line with Skinner and Lindy.

 

We may not re-sign Tlusty. We may make trades that changes everything but I'm looking at combos that seem to have promise. Injury apparently played a big part with both Semin and Tlusty last year so my hope is they regain form. They aren't that bad together.

I understand what you're saying better, but I still think with everything going on in the organization that the coaching staff should wipe the slate clean and see what emerges. If the same players that worked together well emerge then stick with it, but we also have Rask, McGinn, and Tolchinsky who may find chemistry with players we don't expect. Just sticking with the whole "fresh start" theme. 

The one thing I'm looking for as far as additions to the roster go is either a Dman or forward, anyone, who is a powerplay specialist. A playmaker ideally. We have so much skill up front, I think we need a player who looks for the pass before considering the shot, and can find the best play before every lane is covered by the defending team.

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As Francis suggested, he sees E. Staal as a left wing.  It will be interesting to see if that's just talk or will they try some line changes around moving Staal to wing.  Francis also said he likes consistent lines, rather than the Muller merry-go-round.

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As Francis suggested, he sees E. Staal as a left wing.  It will be interesting to see if that's just talk or will they try some line changes around moving Staal to wing.  Francis also said he likes consistent lines, rather than the Muller merry-go-round.

 

I'm a little confused because Francis did indicate he liked E on left wing. Then Peters in his introductory presser said he thought we were good or strong down the middle. I won't be surprised to see E on wing. I like the idea.

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Well moving E. to the wing would, I think, require us to pick up another center. I'm a believer in a "strong down the middle" approach. Ideally you have good guys in all 4 center spots, but you really want at least the top 2 set. Despite his lower than expected offense to this point, I am fine w/ J as one of those top 2 centers, but if you move E. to the wing, who is the other top 2 center? I am expecting big things from Lindhom, but he's 19 and most want to keep him w/ Nash and Skinner, next year, if he gets some time in at center this year, yes, but this year? No way on Nash. Shifting guys up out of their skill set level has been part of the issue up to now.

 

I guess I'm thinking that really, to play E at wing this year would require finding a legit top 2 center a la Spezza. But Francis said, no big names coming in....

 

Now, find a way to get a decent second line center in here and....well the effect would be something like:

 

E., Spezza, Semin

Tlusty J Gerbe

Skinner Nash Lindholm

 

Or some combination of those guys. 

 

Try to stop that first line. Go ahead. Try. 

The second line may slightly overslot Gerbe and counts on a return to form for Tlusty, but it opens a third line that could be off the hook dangerous. Could put Lotkionov or another new playmaker in the Nash slot. 

 

But that would mean moving Ward and somehow getting Spezza, which isn't very likely, so the problem of E. to wing remains, who plays center?

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I guess I'm thinking that really, to play E at wing this year would require finding a legit top 2 center a la Spezza. But Francis said, no big names coming in....

 

I think Francis said no major overhaul. That to me means he isn't going to ship the majority of big names out. I'm not sure it doesn't mean he isn't willing to trade one or two of our core for the right return. Getting a center would be an add so I don't think that would be a major overhaul although it would be an upgrade IMO.

 

We have no track record yet with RF so its difficult to know exactly what he means when he says something like no major overhaul.

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Somehow I got the feeling that no major moves would be made outside of Ward. But maybe I just inferred that.

 

If Francis can bring in a decent #2 center as part of a deal for Ward especially, that would be a pretty sweet move if they want to move E. over to wing. 

 

Still tend to agree w/ Coastal and SD that one more really nice dman is still a need also. 

 

What a difference it would make if Francis could pull off those two without losing a big name other than Ward.

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To me the first question that needs to be answered is whether PK is willing to spend $ this year.  He implied that he might not spend to the cap, and if that's the case I'm afraid we're screwed right from the get-go.  We've got $13.8m left for 7 roster spots.  If we spend to the cap, and with most of those 7 spots going to role players, seems like we could squeeze in 1 or 2 more big pieces.  That would make me very happy!

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To me the first question that needs to be answered is whether PK is willing to spend $ this year.  He implied that he might not spend to the cap, and if that's the case I'm afraid we're screwed right from the get-go.  We've got $13.8m left for 7 roster spots.  If we spend to the cap, and with most of those 7 spots going to role players, seems like we could squeeze in 1 or 2 more big pieces.  That would make me very happy!

 

I agree, there are so many variables to this whole situation. The money PK is willing to spend plus the decision to (if he can) trade Ward or not. In my opinion, financially, it needs to be considered. Whether I want him to be traded or not, getting $6+ mill off the books would be huge in terms of what potential FA signings or trades could be made. But I cannot see this happening without Francis taking on a considerable amount of salary in return.. just wouldn't make since for another team to add 6+ mill to payroll and send nothing out, with the player's performance and future in question.

 

So... can Francis do both? Can Ronnie unload Ward's salary and address one of the needs we've been talking about here? Can he move Ward out for a player that hasn't been earning his paycheck lately? We saw it last year, that's exactly what the Gleason-Liles trade was. Can we see it again, only a bit bigger? If Ward is traded, it'll be on Draft Day.

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The more I ponder our situation the more inclined I am to think that we should invest in a 2nd pairing d man. We have the forwards to be semi successful. I feel the best improvement to this team will be an addition to the blue line. Another solid stay at home guy. Just my 2 cents.

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Well here we go again. Another off season endless discussion on who we find to play with Eric. Let's stop this now and start figuring out how to make Eric play well with others. We have spent several seasons( maybe 8 ) and numerous players and coaches trying to help Eric. The other players on this team are not a bunch of duds. This season Eric plays for the team, or he sits till he waives his NTC.

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Well here we go again. Another off season endless discussion on who we find to play with Eric. Let's stop this now and start figuring out how to make Eric play well with others. We have spent several seasons( maybe 8 ) and numerous players and coaches trying to help Eric. The other players on this team are not a bunch of duds. This season Eric plays for the team, or he sits till he waives his NTC.

I AGREE!  I certainly hope that RF can find a trading partner to move him out and get us someone in here that can lead this team.  Someone who doesn't pout when things aren't going well, someone who will stand up for his teammates, someone who will go out there and lead by example.  Callahan or Brown type of leadership.  I know that he can be a good player, but I am so ready to see him in a different uniform if it can happen without having to give away the farm (see JR deals), which is probably unlikely.

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Well here we go again. Another off season endless discussion on who we find to play with Eric. Let's stop this now and start figuring out how to make Eric play well with others. We have spent several seasons( maybe 8 ) and numerous players and coaches trying to help Eric. The other players on this team are not a bunch of duds. This season Eric plays for the team, or he sits till he waives his NTC.

 

Semin and Tlusty played perfectly fine with Staal.  I blame the lack of production due to indept coaching.

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Semin and Tlusty played perfectly fine with Staal.  I blame the lack of production due to indept coaching.

 

I agree!  Plus, we haven't spent years trying to find somebody to play with Staal.  We spent years trying to find somebody with the speed and skill to play with Staal at a 3rd line salary.  It happened once with Stillman and JR could never find it again.

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I agree!  Plus, we haven't spent years trying to find somebody to play with Staal.  We spent years trying to find somebody with the speed and skill to play with Staal at a 3rd line salary.  It happened once with Stillman and JR could never find it again.

Didn't we go out and get Semin to play with E. Semin can be accused of many things but being a 3rd liner isn't one of them and certainly not playing at a bargain basement price.

 

No matter how you cut it we are short two top 6 wingers unless you regard the Skinner-Nash-Lindholm line as top 6 and then we are short two 3rd line forwards. I don't care how good or bad a coach is, if you don't have the players you aren't going to win.

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Semin was finally the wing to play with Staal and it worked great the first year, not so much last year.  What was the difference? It could be Staal's knee injury?  It could be Semin's wrist injury?  Or it could be that thier was no training camp during the lockout year so Muller couldn't install his whole system right away?  The Canes, and Semin/Staal/Tlusty in particular, got off to a huge start.  Then, the Canes, including Semin/Staal/Tlusty, completely collapsed...after enough time for Muller to get his system fully implemented!  Cooincidence?

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Semin was finally the wing to play with Staal and it worked great the first year, not so much last year.  What was the difference? It could be Staal's knee injury?  It could be Semin's wrist injury?  Or it could be that thier was no training camp during the lockout year so Muller couldn't install his whole system right away?  The Canes, and Semin/Staal/Tlusty in particular, got off to a huge start.  Then, the Canes, including Semin/Staal/Tlusty, completely collapsed...after enough time for Muller to get his system fully implemented!  Cooincidence?

 

No question Muller couldn't adjust to changing situations. But when things went wrong he was left with few options. Our depth and lack of players who could step up just made a bad situation worse. Not defending Muller. It was apparent he was not the coach for this team. I'm just saying we need to add some pieces or this team will be in the same boat.

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I beleive Staal,Semin,Tlusty line can be huge again.  They were the leading scoring lined for a lot of the lockout season.   To early to give up, lets try a new coach, healthy E, and Semin, and a new fire under them now that they have all realized their job is not safe here in their hometown that they love.   Come December if its the bent over reaching for the puck, taking, 30seconds to get up from a spill and snake bitten Eric Staal than I will finally be able to agree to let him go. 

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Tlusty - Staal - Semin

???? - Staal - ???

Skinner - Nash - Lindholm

Gerbe - Malholtra - Dwyer

 

I want to bring in two 2nd line wingers to play with Jordan. If we can move Ward's contract (even retain 20%) we could afford to add a couple guys. My ideal combo, based on price tag and what they offer, is Benoit Pulloit and Radim Vrbata. I don't think either guy will be too expensive. It would give us a big shutdown line that also has the threat to score.

 

As far as defense goes, we need to bring in a 2nd pairing guy to go with Hainsey but the market is thin. Not sure who to look at to fill that void.

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At this juncture Malhotra should not be signed.  He lost A LOT of steam at the end of the season.  Nash was much more serviceable.  Skinner is a top 5 forward no point in playing him ont he 3rd line.  Hoepfulyl the coach will force the chemistry to happen between Jeff and Jordan.

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At this juncture Malhotra should not be signed. He lost A LOT of steam at the end of the season. Nash was much more serviceable. Skinner is a top 5 forward no point in playing him ont he 3rd line. Hoepfulyl the coach will force the chemistry to happen between Jeff and Jordan.

While I agree with 80% of your assessment of Manny, I think for us to get back to the playoffs, we need as much veteran players/leadership as we can get. And he wasn't horrible, and we only need him to play 8mins per game plus pk.

Nash/2nd rounder for Sam Gagner anyone?

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