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I'd hate to be in a situation again where Khudobin is the defacto #1, can't handle it, and we are looking for guys like Peters again to be the saviour.  Ned and Altshuller are a few years away, if they pan out.

 

On the flip side, if we keep Ward, how long can he keep up this level of play?  Can he stay healthy?

 

Tough call for Francis.

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Yeah he also said that Cam can be had for next to nothing.

 

I think this is a guy writing who has followed Cam from afar but hasn't really been paying very close attention the last 2 months. He does begrudgingly admit he is in decent form lately, but Cam is in more than decent form, lately.

 

I get that a GM looking at Cam and considering the long term can rightly wonder what he might get next year, but Cam is a guy with two deep playoff runs, a Conn Smythe and a Stanely Cup on the resume, so he's not going to wither in the playoffs, and he has put together over 2 solid months with far better than "decent" form. If that's the piece you're missing? Hey, Cam has had issues, but he's a decent bet to keep playing at least decenlty next year as he seems to have improved his game considerably. Soft goals are nearly gone, and his glove and puck handling are improved.

 

Next year aside, the Cam of right now would definitely help a team make and win in the playoffs this year.

 

If someone is going to give us next to nothing for him, then forget it. Keep him and move on.

 

But I disagree with the author, I think Cam brings more than that. Maybe we take some salary back, but if we do, first round pick anyone?

Judging by his twitter feed and smarmy attitude, Jason Brough is a "writer" more interested in creating controversy and boosting his career by breathing life into stories that have none than he is in actually contributing anything to the conversation. Anybody paying attention to the year Ward is having would not pen such rubbish. Meanwhile, Backstrom's inconsistency has been a problem for Minnesota for a long time, and whether Brough likes it or not, the fact is both members of the Carolina goaltending duo are outperforming "Minny's" entire keeper kommittee.

 

Whatever anyone feels about Cam, the bottom line over the past 6 years is that the Canes have not sucked because of an inability to keep the puck out of their own net. They have sucked because they can't put the puck in other one. By glossing over (or ignoring) this fact, Brough dumbs down his whole "story."

 

Get a real job, Jase - because based solely on this piece of "reporting," you're not qualified for the one you have.

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Yeah, supposedly there may be some interest in

 

Yeah we were kicking that first one around, he undervalues Ward. And Francis pretty much admitted they'd at least considered moving Ward. That Startribune one claims there have been actual conversations, and at least admits Ward has value.

I can't tell if Rem was pulling a team out of a hat or whether he knew the rumors. But Minny according to several people have asked about Ward recently.

 

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/09/cam-ward-is-probably-not-the-answer-for-minnesota/

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/287870551.html

 

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2015/1/8/friedman-not-yet-hearing-denials-of-wild-hurricanes-ward-connection

That last one the guy is speculating but wrote:

 

“The one thing about Chuck Fletcher is I know he does not want to deal futures for short-term. He’s not a guy who’s looking to give up his first round pick... He really likes their young players, so I think he’s kind of in a tough spot because you know these teams like Buffalo and Carolina, they’re going to want futures as much as they’re going to want anything for these guys.”

 

The question would be return. A team trying to make the playoffs probably doesn't want to part with a good player, so if you don't want to give up your pick or prospect...probably not a deal there.

 

I think their first rounder is a minimum..

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I'd hate to be in a situation again where Khudobin is the defacto #1, can't handle it, and we are looking for guys like Peters again to be the saviour.  Ned and Altshuller are a few years away, if they pan out.

 

Probably should be in the "Once they were Canes" thread, but since we are talking goalies...

 

Turns out that the Caps are doing to Peters what seemed to always happen here.  They are driving Holtby into the ground, having him play ever game since late November.  

 

We've seen this story before.

 

So since Peters has been doing nothing but warming the bench, they are sending him down to Hershey for a conditioning stint.

 

http://www.pennlive.com/hersheybears/index.ssf/2015/01/washington_capitals_g_justin_p.html

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No way we get a first rounder for Ward.  Just don't see it.

 

I wouldn't trade him for less.

 

You may be right, but there are teams that have struggled a long time for a true #1, and since October Cam is easily a top half #1.

 

If that's what it takes to get in the playoffs for a team...

 

Never know...

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If we get a 1st rounder for Cam, remkin should be named executive of the year

 

Does some kind of cash bonus come with that?

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Francis says there have been contract talks with Sekera, Tlusty but talks were "put on backburner." Said should soon pick up again soon.

 

 

So, not that it's a mystery, but does appear those are the guys Francis wants to keep, probably in order of importance. Thing is, if he does get them both signed, presumably it would be a commitment by the team to them also.

 

Of course that is still a big "if", but say it happens. Who does Francis trade?

 

Ward: playing like top 10 goalie, NTC, unclear return. Huge drop of after Khudinin on the depth chart.

E: Just starting to look fully healthy. NTC. Tied here w/ Bro.

J. See E.

Semin: contract vs. performance makes him unmovable at present.

Skinner: maybe, but only 22 years old. At least 10 years of peak left if he can keep the noggin unconcussed.

Linholm: no Earthly way.

Faulk: see Lindhom

Gerbe: why? constistent 30 point third liner w/ heart of lion. Wouldn't probably bring much back.

Gleason: maybe. I've really liked Gleason this year, but he is slow and UFA next year, but return?

Dwyer: McClemment: maybe a team needing solid bottom 6 guys for playoffs, but not sure we get much back.

Nash: OK again, it comes down to return,. He is very solid, his scoring has slowed, but for the year he is still on a just sub 40 point pace. If he got that kind of return, I do think Rask can step up another step next year. But likely Nash is worth more than his return.

Khudini: Not worth the probable low return w/ his numbers this year. He's much better than the numbers.

Murphy: only 21. D men peak at 29. Is anyone even asking about getting him? He's not what a playoff team would want. He's pretty much still a prospect, hard to see a deal being worth it.

 

When I look at that list, no one jumps out as an obvious trade.

 

If we are going to really really change everything, E. has to go. I can't look at this team and think, "Well if we just traded (insert non E name here) that would really change things. OK, maybe Semin, but the man is untradeable.

 

But E is just starting to look really good. Would we get value? Will he think, "look, I finally got healthy and play w/ Jordan and look, we're pretty good now", and exercise his NTC?

 

I guess, in the end one just has to see the other side of the offer. If Edmonton wants to give us T Hall for Skinner, or something like that, or a first rounder for Ward...

 

I'm thinking we'll see something happen in about 10-14 days, but hard to see what.

 

 

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Thanks Coastal, that was a good read.

 

Points out to me why we should try to keep him. I am a fan. He is smooth skating, sure with the puck and puck possession, which is supposed to be our thing now. I'm thinking RF and Peters want to keep him.

 

BUT, if he wants out, it would not be the worst thing in the world, especially if we could get a good return.

 

I was resolute that this was finally the year to acquire picks and sink to the bottom. But if E is blocking a trade, then the chances to pick up, especially first round picks thins, and if this team stays in tact recent play destroys chances for a high pick.

 

Moving Sekera and say Ward, for the right deals would hopefully land picks, but would definitely also fill SRM.

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I really hope we can keep him but he's reportedly going to get 6-7 million\season.  Wowzer!  And probably length of contract as well.

 

Regardless, we can all sit back and read the rumors when the bidding war starts for him.

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Since Sekera is a UFA, won't that drastically lessen any return we might hope for, I mean why trade something significant if he"s free to negotiate AT SEASON'S END? Or am I missing something?

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Since Sekera is a UFA, won't that drastically lessen any return we might hope for, I mean why trade something significant if he"s free to negotiate AT SEASON'S END? Or am I missing something?

 

A team making a push for a championship can add him at the deadline and fit him under the salary cap since the Canes will have paid most of this year's salary.  I get your thinking, but a team chasing a championship will trade a major asset to rent a player like this.

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With the new era upon us it's hard to say what we'll get for him. Every year we've dumped players at the deadline it seemed like we were trying to do other teams a favor. With RF at the helm who knows. I'd like to think he's worth a first, but we'll likely get a second because that's just what happens.

 

What I do know is it will take years to replace Sekera just like it did with Seidenberg.

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With the new era upon us it's hard to say what we'll get for him. Every year we've dumped players at the deadline it seemed like we were trying to do other teams a favor. With RF at the helm who knows. I'd like to think he's worth a first, but we'll likely get a second because that's just what happens.

 

What I do know is it will take years to replace Sekera just like it did with Seidenberg.

Yeah.  I'd only trade him if he doesn't seem to want to sign, or want's the "JR Special" contract(Max years! Insane $! Everybody gets an NTC!)

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I think part of the problem is that every year the supply and demand for really nice players in UFA tends to favor the players. Thus guys like Sekera get a bidding war and the price goes up. 

 

So from Sekera's point of view, why not finally get into that position? And if the Hurricanes are going to stop it, it will cost them. 

 

BTW I don't imply any disapproval towards Sekera about this. He's earned it. I would be doing the same thing if I were him.

 

This is also where the unknowns come in. Are we considering offloading any other salaries for picks? Does he want to stay? What is he actually asking? What would we get if we rent him out....etc. 

 

But I think he is the kind of guy that might not only take long to replace, but might be hard to replace at all.

 

If we don't either sign him or get a first rounder it would make me  :(

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Yeah.  I'd only trade him if he doesn't seem to want to sign, or want's the "JR Special" contract(Max years! Insane $! Everybody gets an NTC!)

 

That's the dilemma, isn't it? 

 

Of course his agent is going to push for Max Years and Insane $.  And how do the Canes respond if Sekera says: ok, you want me to show faith in this team's future by forgoing free agency and committing to a (right now) not-so-good Canes team.  If I do that, shouldn't you show faith in my future in return (NTC)?

 

I fear that signing significant free agents in Raleigh is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type deal. 

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You know one solution to the NTC dilemma is limited NTC's. Player can exercise the NTC under limited conditions.

 

The simplest is: player can list 5 teams he must approve to be traded to. (type of thing). 

 

I personally favor something that I don't know if it exists: player can execute his NTC if his point production is in line with prior averages. (obviously take some creative cutoffs, but the idea is "you can't trade me if I'm performing"). 

 

Possibly both Staals would be tradable with that language and Came would have been last year. 

 

Ideally we follow the LA lead and give out NTC's as often as Hens have teeth.

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rem- I was just about to post the thought of going with limited NTCs, maybe allowing a player 6-8 teams he could veto a trade to.  Great minds?  Well, minds, anyways. :P

 

So, I'm reading the Sekera could get north of $5m/ yr going forward.  What's the max the faithful here would pay per year and for how many years?

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