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I was surprised we didn't sign him.  Maybe we just couldn't reach an agreement with him?

 

I'm not sure but I get the feeling we didn't make him an offer.  He's currently in the KHL so I've got to think that anything close to his last contract would have kept him here.  His last contract was $600k NHL/ $175 AHL, so maybe the Canes balked at that AHL amount?

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I'm also not sure. Casino's and hotels would line up to provide packaged to include watching an NHL game on your trip to Vegas....

 

 

Even with all this talk about Las Vegas, i'd be shocked if they get a franchise, let alone ours.  As a regular Vegas visitor, I can say that city on its own cannot support any professional sports team, let alone the least popular one.  Most people that go to Vegas on a regular basis are Los Angeles residents, which have the Kings and sorta has the Ducks.  They'll be competing with A list musicians, Cirque shows, and UFC & Boxing (both of which are insanely popular in Vegas) on a weekly basis.  In addition, the Casino's owned by Caesar's Palace, which is essentially half the strip, is on the verge of bankruptcy.  That town, as much as I love and loathe it, is in some bad shape and may not survive another 10yrs.  It would not be a smart move on the NHL's part, and the owner will lose a lot of money.

 

Also, and this is a general statement, can we chill on this relocation talk.  Seriously, the only people talking about relocation are our own fans.  Every franchise in every sport has gone through times like these where the team reaches rock bottom.  We did it close to 10yrs ago, and 3yrs after that we won the stanley cup.   

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Even with all this talk about Las Vegas, i'd be shocked if they get a franchise, let alone ours.  As a regular Vegas visitor, I can say that city on its own cannot support any professional sports team, let alone the least popular one.  Most people that go to Vegas on a regular basis are Los Angeles residents, which have the Kings and sorta has the Ducks.  They'll be competing with A list musicians, Cirque shows, and UFC & Boxing (both of which are insanely popular in Vegas) on a weekly basis.  In addition, the Casino's owned by Caesar's Palace, which is essentially half the strip, is on the verge of bankruptcy.  That town, as much as I love and loathe it, is in some bad shape and may not survive another 10yrs.  It would not be a smart move on the NHL's part, and the owner will lose a lot of money.

 

Also, and this is a general statement, can we chill on this relocation talk.  Seriously, the only people talking about relocation are our own fans.  Every franchise in every sport has gone through times like these where the team reaches rock bottom.  We did it close to 10yrs ago, and 3yrs after that we won the stanley cup.   

I agree this franchise is going nowhere, least of all Vegas. The talk about expansion is based on ADDING two teams for a total of 32, not relocating any. Any relocation effort would have to come from PK and I very frankly think he knows the problem is not the city, it's the product.

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I think we needed a right wing.  Shugg was next up.  Not really much to lose at this point.

 

So what you're saying is that Shugg was the next, unlucky, sacrificial lamb?

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So what you're saying is that Shugg was the next, unlucky, sacrificial lamb?

 

Ha ha, not really.

 

We just needed a right wing, and keeping with the theme, Peters said he earned the callup.

 

Not expecting a world beater performance, but you never know. Either way I'll be watching and hoping he has a good game.

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I agree this franchise is going nowhere, least of all Vegas. The talk about expansion is based on ADDING two teams for a total of 32, not relocating any. Any relocation effort would have to come from PK and I very frankly think he knows the problem is not the city, it's the product.

There was an article on NHL.com  about a week ago where Bettman was addressing "relocation

rumors", and he said there were no relocations coming in the foreseeable future. He specifically

mentioned Arizona and Florida  (no mention of us) and said they were staying where they were.

 

(Article was  in NHL news around Monday Dec 8 or 9, about the time the Ottawa coach was fired.)

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There was an article on NHL.com  about a week ago where Bettman was addressing "relocation

rumors", and he said there were no relocations coming in the foreseeable future. He specifically

mentioned Arizona and Florida  (no mention of us) and said they were staying where they were.

 

(Article was  in NHL news around Monday Dec 8 or 9, about the time the Ottawa coach was fired.)

 

The league office and the owners do not want relocation, they want expansion.  Expansion results in hundreds of millions of dollars in fees that the owners can split up.  Relocation doesn't get them a cent.

 

And coastal on the Shugg call up, I wondered if any AHL player has ever declined a call up?  "No thanks, I want no part of that mess".

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Okay , I'll go out on the limb. Nobody moves!  2 teams east ( Quebec City, Toronto 2.0 ), 4 teams west ( Seattle, Vegas, Salt Lake, and toss up time OKC or San Antonio ).  Bettman is willing to take chances and I think 36 is a magic number.  6 divisions of 6, top 2 from each division plus 2 wild cards from each conference for the playoffs. Possibility of 4 teams from 1 division. 

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We are not the only one's having problems with a top winger.    Some team will get a valuable piece if he is traded.Hall may just want a change of environment. Should we be looking at him to fit in with our yutes? Not sure our environment would fit his need,lol.

 http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/taylor-hall-is-un-coachable--will-be-on-trade-block--report-000824459.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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The problem w/ trying to bring Hall in would be price. 

 

But could we package some pieces?

 

E. and J. for Hall and their first round pick?

 

 

Of course if there is any truth to the work ethic, and locker room stuff, that could be a bad move...

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That would be a great move if we could do it. I'd throw in Eric and Semin  for Hall and a first round pick. :D Let Peters work through the locker room work ethic stuff.

The problem w/ trying to bring Hall in would be price. 

 

But could we package some pieces?

 

E. and J. for Hall and their first round pick?

 

 

Of course if there is any truth to the work ethic, and locker room stuff, that could be a bad move...

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Edmonton can't trade their #1 pick as long as they're one of the favorites for McDavid or Eichel.  Can you imagine any GM taking the chance of being blamed for passing up the next Tavares, Kane, or Crosby?  It's just not gonna happen, imo.

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Just for fun...

 

Edmonton needs strong two way centers. If J and E really wanted to keep the family picnic going...

 

If, we got T Hall, and their #1, and if their #1 was at least in the top 8 by the end of the year. And if we found a way to finish last.

 

 

We could:

 

1. Have our pick of McDavid and Eichel. 

2. Get any of 4 blue chip dmen, destined to be top pair guys.

3. Have a ppg. former #1 overall pick.

4. Still have Ward, Skinner, and Tlusty (if we sign him). 

 

If we can sign Sekera, in a few years our defense would be say:

 

Fleury, Hanifin

Faulk-Sekera

(Murphy? if he rounds out?) and one other guy.

 

Plus what we could build around Lindholm, McDavid, Hall, Skinner,  Rask, Nash, Gerbe, Tlusty, Nestrasil, McGinn....

 

I'm thinking maybe a pick for Tlusty....that could be a future scorer.

 

Still have Ward. Still have Semin.....ha. But if the wrist heals up, or if we can move him...lots of cap space to overpay an UFA.

 

 

OK say:

 

Lindholm-McDavid-Hall

Skinner-Rask-UFA 

Gerbe-Nash-Nestrasil

 

Fleury-HanifIn*

Faulk-Sekera

Murphy-Someone

 

*or Kylington, or Werenski, or Provorov  all projected top pair guys.

 

Ward or Khudobin 

W/ a couple of nice goalies developing too.

 

We might get another pick for Tlusty. Also our second round pick could be good. McGinn might be shaping up. Could trade Ward for yet another pick...

 

Eventually that UFA spot could be filled w/ the pick we get for Tlusty. Or maybe Semin's wrist heals up. Or if we trade Ward and bank on Khudbobin and the goalies in the system....could get another player/pick.

 

I'm projecting Rask to keep improving. 

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Lake, I can actually see them trading their 1st pick under the right circumstance. Even if they do get the 1st pick, having McDavid and assuming he's going to be an instant 100pt scorer, that's not going to make that team any closer to being a playoff contender.  That team has a lot of holes.  They have a bunch of underachievers this year on offense, they have next to nothing on defense, and their goaltending isn't the greatest in the world either.

 

Having 2 star caliber centers would go a long way in building a better foundation rather than another prospect.  BTW Remkin, i'd totally do that trade.

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The thing about Edmonton is that they've had a crazy long streak of picking at the top, and it isn't working. They just might be the only bottom-dwelling team in the league that could trade their top pick.

 

The main problem is that they need defense and clearly don't want a short term fix there.

 

They could use goaltending too though....

 

Now I think E and Ward and Sekera for Hall and #1 pick. 

 

 

 

Just seems there might be something there even if it's not quite what I'm throwing out....

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Nope, still disagree.  I can see them possibly trading some (or even all) of their former #1 picks, but given the consensus that McDavid and Eichel are likely generational players, I can't see a GM putting himself on the line for letting one pass. What would Shero have had to receive in a trade that gave up Crosby such that Pens fans wouldn't have crucified him later?   I just don't see a GM taking that chance, especially without getting a proven "active" star in return, and we don't even have that to offer.

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That assumes that they're a lock to finish dead last. They fired their coach. They clearly "want" to win more now. If they picked up the brother's Staal, or even Staal and Ward they wouldn't finish dead last....

 

Truth is though that both Staals for Hall and their #1 is probably not a fair enough trade...

 

But we can offer: Both Staals, Ward, Serera, Tlusty. 

 

What about E and Skinner and Tlusy for Hall and their first rounder? 

 

What about Skinner for Hall straight up? 

 

What about.....SOMETHING!!!!!

 

I see what you're saying though. They may just be too far down. Still, worth kicking the tires.

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I'll tell you one thing. Just throwing Hall's name out there, even w/ the term "uncoachable" has started a firestorm of speculation in the media. Not sure we have the pieces to compete w/ other suitors, but w/ where we are in the standings...if trades are happening, we should at least dip our foot in the water.

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Hall and Semin on the same line without Staal. Someone wake me up, I'm having a hockey nightmare.

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seriously...Edmonton, not matter how much they suck this year, should be denied ANY pick in the top 5...they have proven year after year that they can't manage their picks and go nowhere whenever they get the #1.

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I am really thinking that Rask could be a legit #2 center as he finds his NHL scoring touch. 

 

That's one evaluation that is coming down on the "keeper" side.

 

 

On another note, an interesting article on The Hockey Writers lists one player each team should trade.

 

For us they list Jay McClement. Interesting thinking he might get some trade deadline interest. 

 

But what's more interesting is the list of players that other teams are listed as should trade. 

 

Some interesting names on that list:

 

Keith Yandle and Jordan Eberle are a couple of interesting ones. 

 

Here's the link:

One Player on Every NHL Team who Should be Traded

 

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