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It was fun.  But I couldn't help but wonder if this were in an NHL game, he would have been hammered.

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I like that Peters is giving realistic assessments in his interview, not the rah-rah best case scenario marketing pitch that we usually get.

 

Peters mentioned that the natural leaders start to show in camp.  He said that there was already one who the kids were gathering around.  Anyone who was there have any idea who he might be talking about?

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Went to the camp today.  Few scattered details:

 

Lots of people showed up.  They were only seating two sections, and i'd say they were about 70% full.  Encouraging sign.

 

In my opinion, Haydn Fleury looked the best out there, and the biggest.  He was skating very fluidly, makes it look effortless.  Joined in the rush a lot, was splitting defenders.  Making plays.  Very encouraging.

 

Hanifin looked good.  I was sitting on the same row as Shane Willis and a couple youth coaches, and he was saying a lot of the guys looked gas, and Hanifin was one of them.  He was still making more good defensive plays, and put in a goal or two, one on a really good breakaway.

 

Tolchinsky will probably be the most ready forward prospect in the system come training camp time.  Lots of good plays, and another highlight goal that's sure to make it to the website.

 

Aho looked good out there.  He didn't look nearly as small as the stats say.  Made some really responsible plays out there.

 

Surprisingly, Josh Wesley did fairly well.  I think he made the most of every time he had the puck.  Good positioning, cashed in on a 1-timer.

 

McKeown looked ok.  Not nearly as fast as Fleury or Hanifin.  Made some really good plays, but he made one turnover out of his own zone that lead to a botched breakaway.  Made me think of some of the scouting reports that spoke negatively about that very thing.  But overall he was good.

 

After scrimmages, the crowd sang Happy Birthday to Fleury, which put a big smile on his face.

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Tolchinsky will probably be the most ready forward prospect in the system come training camp time.  Lots of good plays, and another highlight goal that's sure to make it to the website.

 

 

It is indeed on the Hurricanes site under video titled "Sergey Tolchinsky Goal" 7/8/15 and it made me giggle it was so good. That was a sweet goal.

 

I wish I could have linked directly to the goal but I couldn't figure out how to link a CanesVision video, never could find a direct link.

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Usually I am pretty reserved when it comes to prospects.  However, why do I have the feeling that we are all about to be very surprised about this small Russian forward.  I can't quite put a finger on it.  But I look at this guy.  A kid who was crying at the end of the NHL draft due to nobody wanting him.  Nobody drafted him.  Then through hard work he went to try outs and earned himself a contract.  That takes a lot of balls and a lot of heart.  This is exactly the kind of character that this team needs.

 

I would gladly pay to see those kind of plays on a nightly basis at the NHL level.  I think he is going to make it.  He really seems determined.  I already know that this time is probably not going to make the playoffs so I might as well watch a Russian that can score fancy goals.  It's inspiring and may rub off on some of the other plays on this team...

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refuse to be melodramatic about my recovery from my stroke or the Canes chances for next season.  Both will improve over time

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The Tolchinsky goal was the number 2 Play of the Day on Sportscenter yesterday.  Not bad for a play made in development camp.

 

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Went yesterday, Tolchinsky & Hanifin looked notches above the rest; Fleury looked really good as well! Hofmann and Slavin impressed me a lot, I will definitely keep an eye on them!

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Keep the reports coming! After all the theory and prognosticating it is so nice to hear about actual play and especially our prospects looking good.

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I posted most of this in another thread but it seems like it belongs here as much as it does there.  Here are some scouting reports on Tolchinsky before the 2013 draft.  

  • If Sergei Tolchinsky were just a few inches taller, he’d be in the discussion as a first round pick.  What he lacks in height he makes up for in skill and offensive ability.  But because he stands 5’9″, people cast him off as “just another small guy who won’t be able to handle the rigors of the NHL”. Shawn Reznik  - The Hockey Writers
  • Tolchinski is a very electrifying offensive talent who has some of the quickest and most creative hands in the entire draft. He is dangerous every time he touches the puck because of his puck skills and quickness and his shot is quick off his stick. His vision is also very impressive and he is a real weapon on the power play from the half wall.”  Aaron Vickers –  Future Considerations
  • “His size has scared some scouts, including NHL Central Scouting, which didn’t list him on its watch list. Don’t be fooled. Tolchinsky is a special player with elite skating and elite puck skills. He scored 19 goals in the Russian U20 league last year at age 16. That’s not easy to do. Additionally, Tolchinsky was dominant against his own age group in international competition despite his diminutive stature. A big year in the OHL could go a long way to garnering more attention.” Chris Peters – CBS Sports
  • “Size and strength are the obvious concern but Tolchinsky is a wizard with the puck… Uncanny ability to make dazzling moves at high speeds to create offense… Needs to continue to improve his commitment to defensive zone… His talent is worth the risk as a Top 60 player.Scott Campbell – The Scouting Report
  • “A very small, speedy and dynamic player, Tolchinsky is an electrifying and dangerous forward capable of pulling off highlight-reel plays. At this point Tolchinsky is a one-way player so teams will need to carefully weigh the risks and rewards with this scoring star.” Brendan Ross – The Hockey Writer

As we know, Tolchinsky subsequently went undrafted and we picked him up for nothing. I'd wager that in 2015 there's almost no chance that a player like Tolchinsky would have been completely passed over in the NHL entry draft. There's still no guarantee that the Smurf will ultimately make it at the NHL level but I love his potential. I think we got lucky!

 

In addition to the technical skills Tolchinsky is showing in camp, I love that he's got the confidence to play with that flair in that setting. Still needs to show that his play will translate to the NHL and that he won't get squished, but :crossfingers:   

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Considering all the glowing reports about Tolchinsky, I've been mulling over the thought of whether his development might make Gerbe expendable? I hate even mentioning that, but this kid does seem to have magical hands, and the mentality to match. I'd hate to give up Gerbs who seems like a real spark plug for this team, but if this kid's talent translates to the NHL level, I'd have a hard time choosing Gerbe over him.

Might Gerbe bring us some type of return?

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Considering all the glowing reports about Tolchinsky, I've been mulling over the thought of whether his development might make Gerbe expendable? I hate even mentioning that, but this kid does seem to have magical hands, and the mentality to match. I'd hate to give up Gerbs who seems like a real spark plug for this team, but if this kid's talent translates to the NHL level, I'd have a hard time choosing Gerbe over him.

Might Gerbe bring us some type of return?

 

I dunno, I don't see them as playing the same role. Gerbe is more of a pest, an all around disruptor. I see the Smurf as more of a potential elite scoring threat (and maybe 3-on-3 specialist?)  To me, Gerbe doesn't even really "play small". But even so, any talk about Tolchinsky replacing any of the Canes at this point seems very premature. He still needs to show his game can work at the NHL level. 

 

edit: I mentioned Tolchinsky as having specialist potential, I think Gerbe's value to our much improved PK is underappreciated.  I've noticed that his quickness and hustle more than make up for his lack of size in blocking lanes and disrupting the flow of the puck.

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Ah Lake, Gerbe is the ultimate pest, and I think I did mention re:Tolchinsky "if the kid's talents translate to the NHL", so I do recognize that, but as far as Gerbe's value on PK, I'd think we could find someone who could bring that + better scoring? But also as I'd stated, I'd hate to see that player (Gerbs) gone, strickly for his character.

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I think Dinz is on the right track. If Tolchinsky does succeed in the NHL and you're looking at who he might make "expendable" I think Skinner would be a more likely candidate than Gerbe.  But we're so short on scoring, why not keep both? (I expect Skinner to make a nice comeback this year)

 

I'm no expert, but I'm not so sure how easy it would be to find someone as good on the PK as Gerbe but with more scoring potential.  Like I said, I think that aspect of his game is under appreciated . . .  I agree with you 100% about what he brings due to his character. And I get the feeling that GMRF values character/ work ethic almost as highly as innate skill.

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I attended 3 practices.

 

On defense:

 

Fluery has bulked up and filled out.  He's big.  He skates like Pitkanen, with so little effort, but he's moving, and fast.  He's  got some grit, and great pass and shot.  He's close, IMO.

 

Hanifin.  He does everything well.  I thought he started a little slow, but it was pretty clear he's got a bunch more gears.  Best player on the ice after the first thirty minutes.  He skates better than Fluery, and that's a compliment.  It's kind of a cliche but he just looked like a pro out there.

 

Slavin was also very good.  McKeown was very good positionally, and filled out the top-4 defensive standouts for me.  But I have to give a shout out to Ganly, he was everywhere and throwing some hits...very noticeable effort.   I was so bummed to not see Pesce participate due to the injury.  Josh Wesley really tries but appears to have a real hard time with the puck on his stick and he has a very weak shot.

 

Forwards:

 

Tolchinsky, Hofmann, Foegele, and Karlsson were my votes for most skilled forwards.  A couple of those guys can fly....good speed.  Aho looked to be having a little trouble adjusting or something, but he got a lot better as the sessions went on.  None of the other forwards really stood above the crowd to me.

 

That Roy kid skates very choppy and awkward.  He's going to have to improve that IMO if he's going to become anything.  I was disappointed. 

 

I wasn't impressed with any of the goaltenders to be honest.

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Thanks Coastal for the nice coverage of the action. I've been unable to attend any of the practices so your report and those of others is a help.

I was excited about Tochinsky's numbers last season (and the scoring touch he's shown in prior years) and it sounds like this camp has been good for him from various sources. This team is desperate for scoring, Tochinsky should get a serious look.

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Thanks for the update coastal. It sounds like our top two D prospects have a chance this season to make the leap. First we need to wait and see what Hanifin decides to do. I like Fluery's chances from what I have seen on the stream and  your impressions seem to confirm this.

 

How can you not pull for Tolchinsky but will see.

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