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Never been a fan of Murphy and never will. He is the defensive clone of Boychuck. Good AHL player and that's all. Yes, please drop off at the nearest city on the next road trip.

So at 22 - four years younger than Boychuk and still on his entry-level deal - you KNOW Murphy is his defensive equivalent. That's pretty impressive. Do you also give stock market tips?  :P

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So at 22 - four years younger than Boychuk and still on his entry-level deal - you KNOW Murphy is his defensive equivalent. That's pretty impressive. Do you also give stock market tips?  :P

I KNOW there are a lot of Murphy fans out there, I'm just not one of them. To each his own. I just do not see him progressing to be a top defensive player and do not see him as being an offensive threat either. He skates well but can be pushed off the puck easily. I do give stock market tips but it does not come free of charge. :D

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Murphy as a defensemen has as many points as Boychuk in 20 less games, I think that in itself at least should allow Murphy to not be called a Boychuk. Not that Murphy's great, but dang he doesn't deserve the kick to the groin calling him Boychuk is.

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I KNOW there are a lot of Murphy fans out there, I'm just not one of them. To each his own. I just do not see him progressing to be a top defensive player and do not see him as being an offensive threat either. He skates well but can be pushed off the puck easily. I do give stock market tips but it does not come free of charge. :D

I'm not a fan and I'm not NOT a fan. I just think 22 is pretty early to write anybody off.

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I'm not a Murphy fan by any stretch, however count me as one who has seen improvement this year.  The Hurricanes inexplicably have 3 defensive phenoms who are in their first year and (arguably) outplaying every defenseman on the roster not named Faulk (and on the defensive side i'd say they're outplaying him as well), but we all know that's not normal and that defensemen usually take longer to develop.  Murphy is still, as top pointed out, 22 and on his entry-level deal.  And while he's certainly had some growing pains, he's been considerably better this season.  Has he been another Pesce?  Of course not, but he hasn't been an MJordan either.  As a prospect i think he's coming along well, and even if he never truly advances beyond 7th-man status, i feel more comfortable with him there this year than i have with a few other 7th-men the Hurricanes have had along the way (Rodney, anyone?).

 

He's not Faulk, but he isn't Boychuk either, at least not to me.

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Murphy as a puck moving defenseman with offensive upside is great.  His defense will always be questioned at his size, but he does a good job working with what he has.  I like how he can skate the puck out of the zone, navigate the neutral zone and join the offense.

 

His biggest problem now is going to be dislodging one of the other top 6.  Regardless of his improvements, we have other guys who can do it too now, and they are bigger.

 

I think we want him to do great, it just gives us more options, i.e. trading him or one of the others.

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Assuming we hold onto Fleury and McKeown, something will have to give on the blue line eventually.

 

I can't see Hanifin, Pesce, Slavin or Faulk going anywhere (unless Francis uncorks a blockbuster and gets a young elite proven forward for Faulk (hides behind couch)). (Just saw that McKeown just turned 20, could get some AHL time at the end of this year).

 

Then add in Wiz and Hainsey, and we just have too many defensemen.

 

Murphy still has a lot of offensive dman upside, but I keep thinking a trade could be in his future. But only if he gets up here and shows something.

 

For now, I'm really glad he's getting back up here and I'm hoping he puts up some points.

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Murphy as a defensemen has as many points as Boychuk in 20 less games, I think that in itself at least should allow Murphy to not be called a Boychuk. Not that Murphy's great, but dang he doesn't deserve the kick to the groin calling him Boychuk is.

Yeah Boychuk is declining each year after his big point year in 2013. His career is toast. Stating Murphy has more points than Boychuk doesn't mean anything to me since they are AHL points. In fact Murphy is scoring more points than the entire Checkers team for games played. Still doesn't equate to NHL ability. Again he is a good AHL player similar to Boychuk.

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I'm saying Boychuk's on a whole other level of no hope sucking.

 

Was also referencing NHL numbers, not AHL.

 

legend, Boychuk is now, but earlier in his career when he was lighting up the AHL before he proved to be an NHL bust? I'm not saying I think Murphy is a bust already, but I understand the fear that he may end up closer to Boychuk than say a Faulk, Rask, or Lindholm.  But I'm in the "verdict is still out" camp.

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I'm saying Boychuk's on a whole other level of no hope sucking.

 

Was also referencing NHL numbers, not AHL.

Considering Murphy's allure was his offensive upside and not his swiss cheese defense his NHL numbers have not been great. Yes his stats are better than the offensive scoring machine Boychuk. As I said to each his own,but I'll still pass on Murphy. If he is in our lineup I hope he excels,just not my choice as a future defensive man for our organization. I'd prefer a trade at this point.

 

Murphy

GP     Goals    Assists      Points

107     6           23               29

 

Boychuk

GP     Goals    Assists      Points

127     12          18              30

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While the Canes rested, those games in hand came a-biting.  Devils and Pens won.   Flyers beat the Habs.  Not sure about that one, except to say at least it wasn't a three point game.  

 

Next week the team will scrub off another G.I.H. and by Feb 15, things will be more aligned and we should have a better idea.

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I think the hold 'em or fold 'em decision will be made in about 8 games. I think the team has to be "IN" (not close to) a playoff spot for RF to hang on to his pieces.

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Playoff line is +8 now (Pittsburgh and Boston).  Canes are +3.  Still 5 games under where we need to be just to be on pace.

 

It's daunting, but need to go 4 games over fake .500 each of the next 2 months.  As simple as that.  Trade deadline is on leap day, so 8-4-1 by then is the target to even show we have a prayer. 

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I think we have hit on all the points and counter points. Now it is wait and see. I say make a choice by Feb 18th against the Senators or the 23rd at the latest against the flyers. It may be too late if we wait until the 23rd to swing any deals.

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The way I have it with projected points:

 

Pittsburgh 60

Boston 59   cut line

NJ 57

Philly 56

Car 54

 

The bad news is Pittsburgh, NJ, and Philly are all playing pretty well. This is why we have to keep the winning percentage up, teams ahead of you always go on little runs.

 

The good news is that MTL is in freefall, and we are clearly ahead of them and Ottawa at the moment, and as such have cleared out some underbrush of teams to pass. The other good news is that Boston has been overall falling, and they occupy the second wild card slot. IMHO we have a better chance of catching Boston than Pittsburgh based on recent play.

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In terms of the great buy, sell or hold, debate, I think this.

 

We should not be buyers unless we pick up a piece that fits long term. No rentals for any of our picks or prospects.

 

As to sell vs hold, that depends on several factors depending on the player and their willingness to sign for a reasonable deal. But in general I agree. The team has to be in actually past the cutline not to sell anyone who will not re-sign. If we are in, it is more difficult by far to sell. It still might be the right move, but will be very hard to pull off. If we are in near the deadline, I think we will have to hold.

 

The only way we actually pass the cutline (as games in hand even out) will be to have consistently been a top 10 team over several months. This would mean that:  A. we have a better shot than people think (we are a proven better team)  and B. the team produced what was asked of it over a long stretch, and you just can't pull the rug out.

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Assuming we hold onto Fleury and McKeown, something will have to give on the blue line eventually.

 

I can't see Hanifin, Pesce, Slavin or Faulk going anywhere (unless Francis uncorks a blockbuster and gets a young elite proven forward for Faulk (hides behind couch)). (Just saw that McKeown just turned 20, could get some AHL time at the end of this year).

 

Then add in Wiz and Hainsey, and we just have too many defensemen.

 

Murphy still has a lot of offensive dman upside, but I keep thinking a trade could be in his future. But only if he gets up here and shows something.

 

For now, I'm really glad he's getting back up here and I'm hoping he puts up some points.

I agree with this completely. I think if Murph plays well he is tradebait.

 

That said, what his detractors (this means you, slapshot! :) ) don't seem to grasp is that - were the Canes to keep him - it would very likely be in a 5-6 role BUT with second-unit PP looks. This scenario was a lot more likely before Pesce and Slavin left him their dust, but for a team that needs help on the PP and 5-6 guy, he's marketable. Boychuk is not. So this is why I think the comparison is more emotional than factual, at least at this point in Murphy's career.

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I think the hold 'em or fold 'em decision will be made in about 8 games. I think the team has to be "IN" (not close to) a playoff spot for RF to hang on to his pieces.

Yup. 

 

I almost posted something yesterday wondering whether the "Stanley Cup celebration" wasn't strategically scheduled before the TD, so that, IF Eric/Cam are leaving, it could double as their curtain call. Probably overthinking it on my part. 

 

If the Jets weren't so far out of it (Mo strikes again), I could also see us dropping off one or both in the Peg. 

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I agree with this completely. I think if Murph plays well he is tradebait.

 

That said, what his detractors (this means you, slapshot! :) ) don't seem to grasp is that - were the Canes to keep him - it would very likely be in a 5-6 role BUT with second-unit PP looks. This scenario was a lot more likely before Pesce and Slavin left him their dust, but for a team that needs help on the PP and 5-6 guy, he's marketable. Boychuk is not. So this is why I think the comparison is more emotional than factual, at least at this point in Murphy's career.

Oh I grasp it I just don't want to see him in any role except a number 7 role (pressbox) or as trade bait. If teams think he will help their power play well good luck! In 103 NHL games he has 4 goals 5 assists with 7:07 of ice time on the power play. To me that is factual,not emotional. If teams think he will help their power play, there isn't any numbers supporting that thought.  I would welcome a trade. Since it appears he will get some ice time I hope he scores and contributes to the win. Please do and increase your trade value.

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Oh I grasp it I just don't want to see him in any role except a number 7 role (pressbox) or as trade bait. If teams think he will help their power play well good luck! In 103 NHL games he has 4 goals 5 assists with 7:07 of ice time on the power play. To me that is factual,not emotional. If teams think he will help their power play, there isn't any numbers supporting that thought.  I would welcome a trade. Since it appears he will get some ice time I hope he scores and contributes to the win. Please do and increase your trade value.

 

Nine points in seven minutes of ice time on the PP is "there isn't any numbers supporting that thought"? That's better than a point per minute.

 

And don't give me some guff about 7 minutes of ice time over 103 games. One can't assume that ice time was uniformly spread over 103 games - that would be barely over four seconds per game. Nine points when one is on the ice for only four seconds of PP time per game is phenomenal. ;-)

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Nine points in seven minutes of ice time on the PP is "there isn't any numbers supporting that thought"? That's better than a point per minute.

 

And don't give me some guff about 7 minutes of ice time over 103 games. One can't assume that ice time was uniformly spread over 103 games - that would be barely over four seconds per game. Nine points when one is on the ice for only four seconds of PP time per game is phenomenal. ;-)

JonKerfoot, I stand corrected lol, the 8:55 is Power play TOI/G over 3 seasons and 107 games. He obviously wasn't on the powerplay every game. This may help with the stats. http://www.rotowire.com/hockey/player.htm?id=3748

Ryan Murphy NHL Stats
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Chip did a niece piece on JML being a possible trade chip for us. That would  make sense if Murphy who we regard as an offensive, puck moving D-man and potential PP specialist has used his time in Charlotte to improve his defensive game. Another good reason to take a look at Murphy before trade deadline.

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