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I think Carrick could challenge for a spot in Raleigh this year.

 

 

I'd love to see that, but with Hainsey, Hanifin, and Slavin ahead of him...

 

Of course i wouldn't mind seeing Hainsey as far away from Raleigh as possible.  Dudeman drives me freaking crazy.  I know having JR around was invaluable for RF so he could see how not to build a team, but i'd like to think Hanifin and Slavin have seen enough of how not to play defense from Hainsey that they can move on without him.

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At this point its not hard to have trust in Ronnie.  He has a plan and can't be bs'd by other GM's.  I like where he's taking the team.  He knows who fits his plans and is moving that way accordingly. 

 

As an aside Boychuks crazy to not go to Europe and play pro and make some good coin, way more than AHL.

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Surprised we're (apparently) not signing Nash.

 

Whether we're letting him test the market to get the best price on a later re-up or just cutting the cord, that decision, and what feels to me like Tolchinsky being the new Gerbe, could be telling. Ryan at $600k NHL rather than Nash (last deal 1.15 mil) as our depth 4C saves us $500k. Tolchinsky saves another 1.4 million compared to Gerbs' last deal.

 

Okposo here we come?

I thought he had a good second half of the year.Started driving the net and played a good all around game.

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I'd love to see that, but with Hainsey, Hanifin, and Slavin ahead of him...

 

Of course i wouldn't mind seeing Hainsey as far away from Raleigh as possible.  Dudeman drives me freaking crazy.  I know having JR around was invaluable for RF so he could see how not to build a team, but i'd like to think Hanifin and Slavin have seen enough of how not to play defense from Hainsey that they can move on without him.

 

I was thinking Carrick could be the 7th Dman and slowly work his way into a starting spot with Hainsey getting moved at the deadline for scraps or just becoming the 7th Dman.

 

Hanifin - Faulk

Slavin - Wiz

Hainsey - Pesce

Carrick

 

Then the following season we could be looking at a jumbled situation:

 

Hanifin - Faulk

Slavin - Pesce

Carrick/Fleury - McKeown

 

Hell, Fleury could also challenge for a spot this season. Same for McKeown who was very impressive this past season. Training camp is going to be fun.

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Early on I thought Nash might be picked up again. Now I'm not so sure. With the recent acquisitions and prospects knocking on the door he may be odd man out. Nash has some attributes and versatility... but not sure.

 

I think Gerbe and Terry are goners.

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On Hanifin, I think he stays more near the bottom pairing at least to start the season. Though to me he is the stud of the future.

 

Nash, I guess the thing is that he's a UFA and the opens the door to whoever is out there. Since we have McClement and Nash has been playing wing, Francis might find a better option.But Nash put up .4 ppg or projected 33 points, and -5 about middle of the pack, and not playing his preferred position, with 4th line minutes.That's really not bad.

 

Terry? .16 ppg, 13 point pace, -12.

 

McClement? .14 ppg, 12 point pace -17

 

I know McClement is signed. And does the little things, but he does not produce points: 11 points in 77 games.

 

I'm not sure why we might not be better to trade McClemment for whatever, and use Nash as our 4th line center.

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I'm not sure why we might not be better to trade McClemment for whatever, and use Nash as our 4th line center.

I think Nash has a lot more to offer over McClement. Nash can score, be the play maker as well. Not sure why Nash isn't in the picture.

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Riley Nash's are a dime a dozen in this league, he's nothing special.  But granted, neither is McClemment.

Yep, every team needs one. Trouble is the Canes have had multiples every year for the longest time.

Nash is another of JR's "let's not bother with trying to evaluate talent and trading a 2nd rounder for somebody's stalled player".

edit: I'm still not going to be shocked if one of Nash/Terry is the 13th forward, especially if free agency goes a few days and RF hasn't done anything else.

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Unless RF deals for 2 more forwards I see him making an offer to Nash, who is a versatile and proven depth player imo.  But I wouldn't be surprised if another team offers him a little more and he ends up elsewhere.  I see Nash as being reasonably valuable in the right role and at the right price.  And I agree, a team doesn't need more than 1 of that type. 

 

I looked into my crystal ball but didn't see any sign of Gerbe or Terry. 

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I see Nash as being reasonably valuable in the right role and at the right price.

 

League minimum.

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Couple more thoughts:

 

As rem alluded to above, I'm guessing that anyone who is slotting Hanifin above Slavin and Pesce for next season is more influenced by potential (and maybe all of the publicity Hanifin has received?) than actual play to this point.  Sure, Hanifin may/ likely ends up above the other 2, but it's going to take him a couple of years to catch up imo.  

 

A couple of more promising but as yet unproven propositions imo:

  • Rask as a #1 center.
  • Di Giuseppe as a top 9 forward.  I want to see more than a half season from him before I write his name down in pen.
  • Aho making a completely seamless transition to the NHL.  I'm not doubting his potential, I just wonder if there might be a few bumps along the way.
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I see Nash as being reasonably valuable in the right role and at the right price.  And I agree, a team doesn't need more than 1 of that type. 

 

 

League minimum.

 

Given that he's already "proven" for the role he'd be playing, I'm guessing some team is going to value him closer to $1m than league minimum.  That might not be the Canes, though . . .

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I'm not saying Nash is a great player, but someone has to center the 4th line. In a way it is kind of a specialist job. We almost always find a "jack of all trades" type veteran to fill that role: McClement, Tim Brent, Stephane Yelle, Craig Adams. We could put a yute there, but not a top 9 kid. Just seem to like to have a 4th line center who fills that role.

 

I think Nash could do that better than McClement and he's 5 years younger and on the right side of 30.

 

Keeping in mind that 4th liner's ice time tends to be considerably less than the top 9, and they are not really out there to score unless it just sort of happens, and Nash has been pretty much 4th line a lot the last 2 years, .371 ppg is pretty decent.

 

That is the ppg for Nash over the past two years average: .371.

McClement? .196. And McClement is almost always a negative plus/minus (-108 for the career, vs Nash -23).

 

As it stands Nash could just be the depth guy, but even if we pick up two more forwards, Nash could be the 4th line center for a long time, and it would not be bad. If you put him with Bickell and say, PDG, he could easily put up over 35 points. McClement hasn't been close in 10 years.

 

If we can find even better, sure, but Nash knows the system too.

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You guys are harsh. Nash has about the same stats as Nordy and Nesty. He can skate RW and Center 3rd or 4th line, plays PP and PK. He isn't going to set the world on fire but he does have his pluses.

 

I'm thinking RF wants to keep slots open and Nash is 27 so my guess is we won't sign him but I won't be surprised if we do. But really a dime a dozen player. Not everyone is a top 6 forward but you still need a bottom 9

 

 

Nash made $1,150,000 last season and I doubt he will sign for less

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Canes Agree to Terms with Patrick Brown

 

Brown, 24, split the 2015-16 season between the Hurricanes and the team’s AHL affiliate, the Charlotte Checkers. The Bloomfield Hills, MI, native totaled two points (1g, 1a) and four penalty minutes in seven NHL games with Carolina, and notched 25 points (13g, 12a) in 70 AHL games, ranking tied for fifth among Checkers in goals.

 

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You guys are harsh. Nash has about the same stats as Nordy and Nesty. He can skate RW and Center 3rd or 4th line, plays PP and PK. He isn't going to set the world on fire but he does have his pluses.

 

I'm thinking RF wants to keep slots open and Nash is 27 so my guess is we won't sign him but I won't be surprised if we do. But really a dime a dozen player. Not everyone is a top 6 forward but you still need a bottom 9

 

 

Nash made $1,150,000 last season and I doubt he will sign for less

 

Nash was a former first round pick who got picked up by RF as a reclamation project from Edmonton.  Since that time, he was put in a scoring role, then relegated to a grinding role on the third line, a plug-in on the fourth line, ending the season last year as a healthy scratch.  He's inconsistent, putting up a few points in spurts, then disappearing for large chunks of the season.

 

Harsh you say.  If he was such an asset, he wouldn't have to sign one-year contracts or he would be extended already.

 

From my seat, it's all about getting better.  Let's don't settle for less.  And yes, gritty veterans who make just over 1-million are a dime a dozen.  If we are going to use him primarily on the fourth line, as a PK'r (I doubt he sniffs the PP with what we have added) I'd rather have somebody that can play with more of an edge.

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You guys are harsh. Nash has about the same stats as Nordy and Nesty. He can skate RW and Center 3rd or 4th line, plays PP and PK. He isn't going to set the world on fire but he does have his pluses.

 

...But really a dime a dozen player.

Well, you just proved that the Canes have 3 of these guys, so a dime a dozen isn't really a stretch.

If McClemment wasn't already signed, then signing him as a 4th line center would be one thing. JR tried to corner the market on 4th liners during his time here. I don't want Francis doing that same thing. He has added TT and Bickell and with them, the Canes have 9 forwards under contract, and Rask has been qualified and will be signed. That makes 10 and Aho makes 11, and we all know SeaBass is going to be in Raleigh. That leaves one more slot plus an extra. I'm hoping for more of an Okposo than a Nash to take the last regular spot. That leaves a spot for the PDGs, Browns, Gauthiers, etc. Unless McClemment is traded, where is Nash going to slot in?

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I'm closer to OBXer's camp on Nash than you guys. I don't mind him at all as a regular on the 4th line and he can fill in multiple roles in a crunch.  Center the 3rd line if we need to temporarily slide guys up, play RW, PP, PK.  He's only 27 so his production, while somewhat limited, isn't likely to take a nosedive like a guy in his early to mid 30s might. Heck, it could even go up.  Sure, if we were as deep as Chicago or TB we couldn't use a depth guy like Nash.  But we're a long way from that status.  I even see the ability to sign him to a 1 year contract (if we can) as a plus since we'd be able to reevaluate if we do get deep enough next season.

 

Since he's much more versatile (and with much more possible up side), I'd prefer keeping Nash to McClement, even if means trading or waiving McClement.       

 

The nice thing about this issue is that, unlike speculation about more abstract things (like the relative merits of size vs. speed), we'll get to see exactly how the NHL values Nash within a couple of months (if not sooner).

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We kind of go through this same thing every year. Everybody wants the team to get better, and half the people want this to happen and bring most of the same old players back. I haven't figured out this changeless change yet.

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We kind of go through this same thing every year. Everybody wants the team to get better, and half the people want this to happen and bring most of the same old players back. I haven't figured out this changeless change yet.

 

I hear you, and don't disagree in general.

 

I just hope no one is including me in that category since over the past 3 years I've been one of the most vocal here in stating that I thought that the Canes needed more talent.  And still do, thinking we jettison Gerbe, Terry, and McClement, hopefully for significant upgrades.  While I'd love us to be so deep that there isn't room for a player like Nash on the roster, I just don't see that as realistically happening with the Canes next season.  If it does, than I'll happily say "syonara and good luck" to Nash along with the 3 I mentioned above.

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