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I'm happy with RF'ss pick and I think he is really building something great and smart.  Either way we can't lose here.  Good D guys are heavily sought after.  We now have enough that we can trade one or two and get some offense back, or we keep them all and have the best damn D in the league for the next 8 years.   He has a plan for the offense and thats going to come in FA as well as another possible trade involving possible D prospects.  He's got this, just be patient.  I'm pretty excited about this Bean guy, Forslund had some great stuff to say about him. And the the 21st pick, awesome, a huge scoring winger.  RF said from the beginning he wanted to get bigger.......we're getting there too. Future is  very bright.

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My 2nd day wants

43rd- C Mitch mattson- get him in the gym with Brindy and he could fill out that 6'4 frame and become nasty.

57th- LW Brett Murray. why not keep getting bigger? Another skilled forward that needs to fill out the 6'4 frame.

74th- Sommpi. We love the Finns. He is a skilled C but needs to add core strength to prevent being knocked off the puck.

75th- G Murray or Fitzpatrick

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OK the dust has settled a bit. I agree that given the hand GMRF was dealt he made the best picks.

 

This does not mean we got what we wanted at #13, because that's frankly a bit of a stretch.

 

Don't forget that Francis and McDonald both said we liked 4 forwards at #13, and that's what we wanted. This essentially proves that the 4 fowards did not include Bellows, (or Gauthier, or Jones, or Rubstov) or anyone not named Nylander, Jost, Keller, or Brown. The process of elimination means those were the 4 guys, and, as predicted they did not fall to #13. Bellows did, but we left him there.

 

I trust that Francis tried to trade up, but more than likely the price was too high, and even more likely the teams in the slots we wanted didn't themselves want to drop to #13. And Francis is not going to pay a lot. He is building an organization and doesn't want to give up, well anything. Which is fine.

 

So, with Jost/Keller/Brown and Nylander gone, the play was best player available. Bottom line: Bean >> Bellows et. all was the call. I guarantee that if Jost/Keller/Brown or Nylander was there at #13 we'd have taken them.

 

I have no problem with the way out brain trust played this. It's not what I wanted to see happen, so I'm disappointed, but it was not a bad outcome, and it was the best play with the cards dealt us (assuming a trade up was not tenable).

 

Bean might well end up being better for our needs than Fleury or Slavin (though I really like both of those guys). He has a higher offensive upside than anyone on the team at this point. (Pure projection). There is a lot to like about him. In the end a defensive piece probably gets dealt eventually, but nothing wrong with getting to pick which guy it is.

 

The more I look into Gauthier, who in one ranking was #4 OVERALL in midseason, the more I think he could be a steal, and makes the whole thing feel better. This guy has a lot of things we're looking for.

 

I am stealing a line from a comment made on an article I read: "Think of us picking Gauthier at #13 and Bean at #21." Oddly makes it better.

 

If we needed defense, it would have been a near perfect night. Since we don't it was an as good as possible night. But that's still good.

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So trying to find a common theme in our two picks:

 

Both are outstanding skaters.

 

Bean: "Outstanding edgework", "walks the line", "great skater", "great agility".

 

Gauthier: "Great Skater" "explosive skater", "very good skater, elite if his size is factored".

 

We want to play with pace and speed. Even our defense and power forwards need to skate. We got that covered in these two.

 

 

 

I have one yellow flag, that I am going to try not to read too much into:

 

Francis interviewed at the draft, was asked if Gauthier could make the team this year. He said:

 

"He's big enough. He skates well enough."

 

Now I think that a GM doesn't want to take the dream away and is just praising the kid on draft day. But while physically ready, my understanding is that he needs to learn aspects of the game better, and rushing him to the NHL would not allow that. Also, GMRF needs to go out and find one more NHL forward, and this would suggest he might not do that.

 

I'm reading too much into those statements. The #21 pick is not NHL ready, probably.

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So, I mentioned that I am really thinking we might have gotten a steal in Gauthier. I have spent a few minutes trying to find an explanation for his fall from grace. I know I read it, but wasn't really keying in on our #21 pick. But this guy has the tools to have been ranked #4 and #10 by different ranking services at mid season. Yet dropped to #21.

 

I have found: "not shifty on skates" "not a playmaker" "needs to use teammates better". "Vision and playmaking subpar", "hockey sense questionable".

 

But I also read "good vision". "smart, mature game", and yes, "good hockey IQ".

 

His coach says he's easy to teach and wants to learn and improve.

 

He only put up 2 assists in Word Juniors, but was the only first year draft eligible player to make the team, and was put in a checking role, and will probably light it up this next year in that tourney.

 

Everything else I read and saw comes up very good:

 

First, if you go check out youtube highlight reels you will smile. This is not just a raging bull with stone hands. This guy has serious hands. He scores a lot in close, but many are slick moves in tight. He can top shelf his chances and is very accurate. There are also a couple of breakaways with nifty moves on there, and one very sweet toe-drag then goal.

 

Coach says he's "a power forward with hands".

 

Here are random scouting notes:

 

Dominates down low. Can cycle well.

Basically impossible to move from the front of the net. (sounds like what Peters has wanted for years).

Wins battles. (see above).

Strong on puck. (see above).

Throws big hits.

Great, very accurate shot. Pure sniper. excellent finisher (hmmm maybe he does play this year....)

Great skater, with high top speed

Hard-nosed work ethic

Refined puck handling skills

smart, mature game

Good vision/hockey sense (others contest this, but one scout wrote it).

Good defensive game.

 

Seems like a guy with the physique and all the tools, who just needs to evolve his game to include the occasional pass and maybe think the game a bit better. But, a power forward, by definition, really is a physical specimen who can get on the rush, has a great shot, and gets to the net. And it seems he already has all of that,

 

I like this quote from his coach: "yeah he does't pass much. He doesn't need to."

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Not wanting to be pessimistic for this year. But personally this year's expectation for the P word . A nice goal to shoot for but don't get off track with player development and stocking the cupboard just for that. So if it's next year for some guys that is fine. BUT next year we should be ready and with expectation to kick some Butt. Got to fix the goalie situation. If we can't do this this year w/o hurting the future. Stay the course and hope we can address mid season while still in the hunt.

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I guess after a little reflection at 13 we took best player available and at 21 we took a future need. After what Francis said I guess we could of taken a player at 21 that will fill an immediate need but I find that unlikely. Gauthier has the size,speed and scoring touch so it is always possible he makes the team.

 

Bean was a head-scratcher considering our D depth. In a few  years he could become an important part of the D. It does allow us to make moves involving some of our D-prospects. I think Murphy is now redundant. We got Murphy to be a puck moving, power play specialist with a scoring touch. That hasn't happened yet but he is still young. Bean himself could become a trade chip. Having options is never a bad thing.

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I guess TO liked Khorshov, too.  Was hoping Canes could grab him in 2nd.  I don't recall a mock having him this high, but he nearly cracked 1st round.

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Matt Filipe scouting report:

http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/06/19/2016-nhl-draft-scouting-reports-players-76-80/

 

 

Filipe is a strong skater, with good size. He projects as a power forward at the next level. He has very good speed, agility and acceleration; especially for a big man. Filipe is not afraid to get involved physically, and does so in all three zones. He battles hard along the boards, and works hard to establish position in front of the net. Filipe uses his soft hands to finish plays in close. He quickly pounces on rebounds, and has the hand-eye co-ordination to tip in-shots. He could improve his vision and passing skills, and as a result likely projects as a winger going forward. Filipe also has a well-developed defensive game, showing good positioning defensively.

Filipe’s father played college hockey at Northwestern University. He is committed to play for Northwestern next season, following in his father’s footsteps. He put up 19 goals and 36 points in 56 games this season, helping Cedar Rapids to finish first overall in the USHL regular season.

 

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I was halfway hoping RF would find a way to trade those picks for a roster player.  But then i guess you're not going to get a top line forward with the 74 and 75.

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