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The season ended with a storybook finish. Thanks Brian Bickell.

 

This is a place to talk about what we expect, what the team does and any other Hurricane related off-season chatter.

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My $.02 of what Franchise must do this summer:

1. Con Jim Rutherford any way he possibly can into making a boneheaded trade with the Penguins that benefits us for a change...thinking along the lines of getting M-AF for Lack, Ryan Murphy, and three bags of gently used pucks ;)

2. Convincing a big-name scorer that Raleigh is da shizz and they want to come here and lead this team to the promised land.

3. Finally awarding the "C" to someone NOT named "Staal" who actually shows leadership on the ice.  Skinner really came through the last half of the season...if it's him, fine by me.  If not, bring Chad LaRose back from Florida and give him the "C."  :P

4. Reading the coaching staff the riot act to fix our anemic PP...it made strides this season over last, but still stunk at the worst possible times this season (like there's ever a good time for our PP to go into the crapper).

5. Somehow finding a way to protect Stemp in the expansion draft...without sacrificing our other "must-keeps"

6. Finding a place for Bicks in this organization

7. Convincing BP that he's not a good commercial actor and telling FSC to pull that horrific water ad!

8. Any chance we can dump J and rid ourselves of that albatross of a contract?

9. Reassure Rod Brind'Amour that he is still the MAN!!!

10. Collect underpants

11. ???

12. Profit!

 

If he can accomplish all this, he will go down as the god of all things GM.

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This is now the start of the season for RF...don't choke Ronnie, you have a fair bit of work to do. It may not all turn out the way you'd like but you better have a lot more W's than L's over the next 6 months...

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2 hours ago, AWACSooner said:

My $.02 of what Franchise must do this summer:

1. Con Jim Rutherford any way he possibly can into making a boneheaded trade with the Penguins that benefits us for a change...thinking along the lines of getting M-AF for Lack, Ryan Murphy, and three bags of gently used pucks ;)

2. Convincing a big-name scorer that Raleigh is da shizz and they want to come here and lead this team to the promised land.

3. Finally awarding the "C" to someone NOT named "Staal" who actually shows leadership on the ice.  Skinner really came through the last half of the season...if it's him, fine by me.  If not, bring Chad LaRose back from Florida and give him the "C."  :P

4. Reading the coaching staff the riot act to fix our anemic PP...it made strides this season over last, but still stunk at the worst possible times this season (like there's ever a good time for our PP to go into the crapper).

5. Somehow finding a way to protect Stemp in the expansion draft...without sacrificing our other "must-keeps"

6. Finding a place for Bicks in this organization

7. Convincing BP that he's not a good commercial actor and telling FSC to pull that horrific water ad!

8. Any chance we can dump J and rid ourselves of that albatross of a contract?

9. Reassure Rod Brind'Amour that he is still the MAN!!!

10. Collect underpants

11. ???

12. Profit!

 

If he can accomplish all this, he will go down as the god of all things GM.

 

Just wondering about the disconnect between #s 4 and 8.  While I appreciate what Rod does bring to the organization, I've recently started to wonder if he's less than ideal for some of the responsibilities he's got.  Might the Canes benefit by bringing in a coaching offensive specialist who not only cranks up the PP but also fixes our 3-on-3 woes?  And if so, how might they do that given Rod's stature within the organization?  Been thinking about this for a while but avoided bring it up till offseason given Rod's status here. 

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Ah, the dredded early April "OFF season" thread. :kleenex:.

 

 

 

OK, I guess I got my main negativity out.

 

 

I was very curious to hear Forsund's interview with Peters in the pre game show. Forslund asked him basically what the team needs to be in the playoffs next year. Peters deferred the answer till after the game, saying there would be a lot more coming at (I think) the Wednesday press conference. But not before very clearly implying that there is a concrete plan, and that Francis/Peters have a clear vision of what they want to do.

 

I anxiously await that presser and watching this plan unfold.

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18 minutes ago, LakeLivin said:

 

Just wondering about the disconnect between #s 4 and 8.  While I appreciate what Rod does bring to the organization, I've recently started to wonder if he's less than ideal for some of the responsibilities he's got.  Might the Canes benefit by bringing in a coaching offensive specialist who not only cranks up the PP but also fixes our 3-on-3 woes?  And if so, how might they do that given Rod's stature within the organization?  Been thinking about this for a while but avoided bring it up till offseason given Rod's status here. 

I think keeping Rod is a must, my man-crush aside.  Since he's been taking a more active role in the coaching staff (i.e. not up in the press box like he was during Kirk's dismal tenure), our faceoff percentages have gone up really well and our zone presence has improved.  Now, regarding the PP, he needs to be stripped of those duties and we need to hire a behind-the-scenes consultant who can take our PP unit out of the dregs of the NHL. 

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23 minutes ago, remkin said:

Ah, the dredded early April "OFF season" thread. :kleenex:.

 

 

 

OK, I guess I got my main negativity out.

 

 

I was very curious to hear Forsund's interview with Peters in the pre game show. Forslund asked him basically what the team needs to be in the playoffs next year. Peters deferred the answer till after the game, saying there would be a lot more coming at (I think) the Wednesday press conference. But not before very clearly implying that there is a concrete plan, and that Francis/Peters have a clear vision of what they want to do.

 

I anxiously await that presser and watching this plan unfold.

 

Yes, he said that it would be Wed.  I don't hold much hope.  RF won't give away a lot.  That's my guess.  Wait until the presser after UFA day.

 

One other thing about Bicks...  I know we were uncomfortable about the first tearful interview.  I agree that the press could have backed off.  However, over the last few days it became clear this is who he is, as raw and authentic as it can be.  He's had an effect on everyone too.  Did you see BP's tearful interview.  Man, that was tough to watch.  

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25 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

I think keeping Rod is a must, my man-crush aside.  Since he's been taking a more active role in the coaching staff (i.e. not up in the press box like he was during Kirk's dismal tenure), our faceoff percentages have gone up really well and our zone presence has improved.  Now, regarding the PP, he needs to be stripped of those duties and we need to hire a behind-the-scenes consultant who can take our PP unit out of the dregs of the NHL. 

 

I wonder how taking away Rod's PP duties (and I'm guessing he has a lot to do with our 3-on-3?) would go over with him?   I'm wondering if the dynamics would be somewhat analogous to taking away a letter from a player who remains with the team?  I definitely think Rod has a place with the Canes, just not sure about all of the logistics involved if you bring in someone of the caliber I think we need to goose the offense (salaries, politics, etc.). 

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4 hours ago, LakeLivin said:

 

I wonder how taking away Rod's PP duties (and I'm guessing he has a lot to do with our 3-on-3?) would go over with him?   I'm wondering if the dynamics would be somewhat analogous to taking away a letter from a player who remains with the team?  I definitely think Rod has a place with the Canes, just not sure about all of the logistics involved if you bring in someone of the caliber I think we need to goose the offense (salaries, politics, etc.). 

I'll add my $0.02 to yours , Lake and yours too AWACS. AWACS, your #1 I hope and have said so forever, never happens. A goalie, like Darling I want, MAF, not so much.

 

As to Rod's ability to coach the PP and 3-on-3, I've often wondered if his skills there were to "lead by example", rather than thru communication. Just a thought

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We have to brace ourselves for the day without Rod, because it may happen.

I don't think he is so fragile that if his duties were redirected, he'd start a picket line or anything.  

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9 minutes ago, wxray1 said:

We have to brace ourselves for the day without Rod, because it may happen.

I don't think he is so fragile that if his duties were redirected, he'd start a picket line or anything.  

It's not just that, there are other issues that I wonder about.  Right now RF is paying 2 assistant coaches (Rod and Steve Smith) plus specialty coaches.  I've got to believe that the primary assistants are earning a pretty nice salary.  Would the Canes pony up enough $ for a 3rd? Or would they feel it necessary to cut Rod's salary if his duties were reduced?  Keep in mind that I'm just thinking out loud here . . .

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1. Rid team of the dj nonsense..

2, bring back Dixie..

3. bring back ron the ref..

4. get a fricken top scoring winger

5. get a #1 goalie..

6. draft well again...

 

ok that's not too much to ask... :)

 

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A paste from the draft thread but its more applicable here:

 

Well it will be interesting to see how the cards lie by the expansion draft and that noone has to express pre-expansion draft deals.

 

Card 1- how much power will Carolina, Arizona, Buffalo, and a couple if other teams that have available cover slots in the expansion draft have over those that in the negative column?  

Card 2- who makes a deal and doesn't kiss and tell?

Card 3- does the cap stay pat or go up the rumored 2 million?

Card 4- do teams use the expansion draft to rid themselves of expensive contracts but still good players in order to keep younger guys and fill their roster?  Chicago, St Louis, Tampa, Minnesota, Detroit, and the Rangers will have big choices to make.

Card 5- teams don't lose the players that they had hoped LV would pick. What do they do now?

 

my wishlist sell the farm for the rights for Nino.  Wild cant re-sign nino and granlund while filling their other 6 roster players.  

 

Get Oshie.  Because I expect Stempniak to be picked by LV, so we'll need another RW and goals still.  

 

Get Darling

 

Its not reality as we wont get 2 top notch RWs.  We may get 1 decent forward and a goalie.  Even though we are going to be 15 million in salary less than this season, we have 3 Dmen to re-sign next offseason.

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18 minutes ago, canes2017 said:

1. Rid team of the dj nonsense..

2, bring back Dixie..

3. bring back ron the ref..

4. get a fricken top scoring winger

5. get a #1 goalie..

6. draft well again...

 

ok that's not too much to ask... :)

 

You forgot "bring back the flags on the unis". :grin:

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24 minutes ago, gocanes0506 said:

. . .

 

Get Oshie.  Because I expect Stempniak to be picked by LV, so we'll need another RW and goals still.  

. . .

Not sure how he'll do it, but I have a hunch RF may swing it so he doesn't have to expose Stempniak.

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There is a lot to talk about and ponder this off season and a little fun too.

 

Stanley Cup Contest found HERE

 

**thanks to coastal_caniac for running the game

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The major problem I see with this team is the simple fact that we aren't built for the regular season.  It's a systemic issue that has plagued this team in its existence in Raleigh, and is the cause for our sporadic playoff appearances.  We've always lack consistency in multiple areas.  We used to be top heavy in forwards and lacked a blueline and goalie depth, now we lack consistent scoring and goaltending all together.  

 

We have too many streaky players.  Lindholm, who in general I'm very proud of, was nonexistent at the start of the season.  Rask came out guns blazing, and was pretty much nonexistent in the 2nd half of the season.  Skinner, who even though is our most consistent scorer, had a mid-season slump that to me was the deciding factor in us not making the playoffs.  Staal's offensive productivity came and went throughout the season, same with Stempniak.  Aho, who started the season kinda cold, is the only one that gets a pass.  Cam, who is historically streaky, had a typical Cam year. 

 

Having said that, I think our roster is starting to form itself.  I think we have 7 out of the top 9 forwards we need to compete for a playoff spot.  As many have pointed out, I think we need a top center, and another impact winger.  I don't know how we're going to obtain said player, but my preference now is to use Bean, as I'm leaning towards keeping our top 4 dmen and Fleury, and I think looking at the prospect charts, there's a decent chance we could be drafting a LHD again with our 1st.  As far as UFA's, there's no forwards that I'm in love with thought of bringing here.  Jagr could bring a veteran presence to the forwards, and I would've been sold on this 3 years ago when he said he'd consider signing to Carolina, but it appears age may be catching up to him.  I'd love for Thornton to come here, as he might be my favorite player in the NHL, but I know it's not realistic unless we offer him something unrealistic.  I see most of the decent players going to bigger market teams.  We can't roll into next season with McGinn, Ryan, PDG in our top 9, although I'd love for all three of them to lead our 4th line.

 

And it's no surprise that we need a #1 goalie.  The times for me debating about Cam's efficiency are over, as he's proven himself unreliable over 82 games, and I'll never be convinced otherwise.  There are legitimate options going into the offseason, so the excuse of "there's no one better available" are gone.  My #1 person on my wishlist is Ben Bishop, then Fleury, then Darling or Crawford.  

 

I will say one need going forward that might be underrated is another solid veteran RHD. If we are going under the assumption that we are keeping Hanifin/Slavin/Faulk/Pesce, I'm thinking the logic will be to promote Haydn Fleury to the 3rd pairing.  If that's the case, then we need someone to pair with Fleury/Hanifin to provide stability to the blueline, and I'm not comfortable with our oldest defenseman being 25.  It should be someone that is more defensive/shutdown minded.

 

As much as it pains me to say this, because I love him with all my heart, I think Rod should be moved off the coaching staff to somewhere in the front office.  It's not that I think he's doing a bad job, because he says all the right things in every interview I've heard him in, I just think that we need someone else on the bench that has a little more experience coaching at the NHL level.  I know it will be falling on deaf ears to suggest replacing BP, and I think he's done an adequate job despite the lack of top level talent, but this team hasn't progressed in any offensive statistic under this regime.  We seem to have no offensive strategy when attacking the net, and to hammer on a point Top_Shelf has been making all season, we don't consistently get people in front of the net.  Also, there are clearly times in the season when the guys elevate their level of play, and times were they just fall flat for long stretches.  I think the coaches are just as much to blame for that as the players, because they should be enforcing this during practices and games.  Having another veteran coach that's offensive minded could also go along way in getting these guys prepared for a night-in night-out basis

 

My Wishlist (In Order):

Ben Bishop

1 50pt scorer

1 assistant coach

1 goalie coach

1 veteran RHD

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52 minutes ago, PenaltyKiller17 said:

 

My Wishlist (In Order):

Ben Bishop

1 50pt scorer

1 assistant coach

1 goalie coach

1 veteran RHD

 

Well thought out post PK. Didn't re-post the whole thing..

 

I do think some inconsistency comes from youth. I expect most of our key guys under 23 to be more consistent next year, especially Aho and Lindholm, both of whom finished over half the year very strong. Teuravainen too. He still had a career year with 42 points, but he has the skill to bump that up.

 

Scorers are streaky. Skinner played the last 19 games at a 73 goal pace for crying out loud. I think Skinner, who finally got back into the 60 plus point area of his rookie year, can bump his assists a bit, but it's hard to expect more than 37 goals.

 

Jordan is an interesting player. Since he's been in Carolina he's been a 40-45 point guy. Frankly we are paying for more, and I think he's capable of more. But he maintains really solid plus minus always while checking top lines, he is strong on possession, and seems to make his wingers better. He's probably overpaid, but if his heart is in it, we are better with him than not. But he will probably never be a #1 Center.

 

Rask is an enigma. His numbers basically clustered with all the other non Skinner top 6 forwards: Staal, Lindy, TT, Stempniak, Aho. But the guy played the first 10 games at 1.25 ppg, and finished Oct-December on a 63 point pace (the number Skinner finished with). But in January he lost it. He finished the year on a very pedestrian 34 point pace over the last 4 months. He seemed to be coming on a bit during March, but his March-April points were around a 36 point pace. So Rask was not a 45 point player as much as he was two players: player one Oct-December was a first line center. Jan - April marginal third line center. Rask has always improved year to year, and I think he will again, but he is older at 24 than the Aho-Lindy-TT grouping.

 

So, I return to my theme of earlier this year. We need another top level guy. Skinner will count as one at 63 points because so many of those points are goals. But after that, we have a gaggle of very good supporting forwards all around 40 points. My contention is that there is no contention without the top forwards. And Skinner's style is very atypical. He has amazing skill, but not speed. We need a guy who can open the ice with speed and skill. Aho has some of that, though still not super fast. Lindholm is really coming on. I think Gauthier will be a big surprise at some point sooner than later, but can't count on him next year. Rask of the first three months. TT has the skill, but not yet the total game.

 

I still say move the mountain and find that guy. Let Rask center the third line. Staal the second. Figure out 1C, and actually put 8-9 scoring forwards up front.

 

So one guy. I say one guy (two if we lose Stempniak). Plus a goalie. But that one guy has to be the real deal.

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18 minutes ago, OBXer said:

Maybe we will get a clue what RF/BP are thinking for the off-season team improvements

 

 

Peters seemed to imply that there would be a plan laid out. But then again, he and even more so Francis play things so close to the vest that it will probably be a "read between the lines" affair. Still, I am looking forward to doing that.

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27 minutes ago, OBXer said:

Maybe we will get a clue what RF/BP are thinking for the off-season team improvements

 

I've got to believe that they're thinking pretty much what we're thinking.  The big questions in my mind are

  1. What will PK give RF to work with?
  2. RF has shown he can be pretty deft with small-ball transactions.  Can he pull off a big one (or two)?
  3. How urgent is RF?  I.e., will he pay market value (or even slightly over if necessary) to get us a goalie and proven scoring forward for next season?

I think we've got a pretty good framework in place, but without filling in the pieces we're missing I fear it's not good enough to get the job done.  My analogy is a boat with a couple of holes in the hull. No matter how solid the rest of the boat is, until you plug those holes it's just not going to work very well.  

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Who knows if this is true or not, but I read a post-mortem on the LA Kings.  If they decide to go full rebuild, there could be some VERY interesting names available. They are strapped against the cap and crippled by long-term contracts.  They MAY have to trade someone like Drew Doughty (who has 2 years left at a reasonable rate) to offload one of their longer term contracts.  One of those contacts mentioned was that of Jonathan Quick.  With our needs, perhaps we could package some picks, a backup goalie, perhaps a prospect for Doughty and Jonathan Quick???  Other contracts that they may want to trade are:

 

Dustin Brown - They would basically have to give us Doughty for that one

Marian Gaborik - He's getting old but I bet can still score

Anze Kopitar - The contract is a monster, but he's a #1 center for sure (is he falling off though?)

 

Anyway, at least a few of those ideas seemed interesting to me.

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27 minutes ago, ironman87 said:

Who knows if this is true or not, but I read a post-mortem on the LA Kings.  If they decide to go full rebuild, there could be some VERY interesting names available

 

I don't know if this is true but all along I have thought that teams beginning rebuilds, offering players up instead of losing them in the expansion draft, side deals with Vegas, cap challenged teams and perhaps a willingness to deal picks in a weak draft we and others should have multiple options available this off-season. It's always difficult to project if deals will be available but at face value this looks, to me, like this off season we could finally add quality players in key positions to make that next leap in our rebuild.

 

 

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