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A couple of things.

 

I too would prefer a 1C. But this and dominant 1D are probably the two hardest positions to fill from a trade or UFA. They just aren't usually available because if you have one, you don't give him up. If Francis can find a center that can put up 65 plus points, 25 plus goals, I'll be as thrilled as anyone.

 

I like Oshie because he's proven, but also because he's a UFA. The idea of filling a slot and not giving up a Faulk or a prime prospect, will allow us to fill that need and keep all of our powder dry for other moves in the future, including a goalie move. Signing a guy like Oshie increases the chance that we can do whatever we need to do to get that guy in goal.  If we end up keeping our prospects, and if any of them deliver, we can always trade contracts of guys not quite up to our level. Say for instance that TT never quite puts it all together, but he is a nice 45 point guy in a couple of years, but Roy and Gauthier are, by then crushing it, but we are up against the cap. Trade TT for picks and prospects and dump that salary. Or Hanifin, replaced by Bean or Fleury, etc. Or Faulk in favor of McKeown, etc. Those moves can be made later IF the cap becomes an issue.

 

Same thing if we are getting too close to the cap in a couple of years BTW. But IF we picked up Oshie and say Darling, and this team gets off to a good start and stays in a playoff slot and makes the playoffs, the building will fill, and that and playoff revenue might make our budget problems better by the time it's an issue.

 

I have to raise the two move issue again. It's like saying would you rather your plane got a left wing or a right wing? Probably doesn't matter if you don't get both. Goalie and 25 goal forward gets it done. One or the other might, but is too close to be a plan. I think Francis can make two moves.

 

Likely he makes at least 3, possibly 4 moves. Two less important moves would be that veteran bottom pair D man (likely), and my pet move, up the draft (unlikely).

 

Lastly, while I am keen on Oshie for the reasons listed, I'll be very happy if we get any number of top forwards.

 

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On the any number of forwards...

 

Offer sheets have worked like one time in the last 12 years, but probably guys could be traded for.

 

Go Canes: Granlund, Duchene, Nino all would be good additions. Chicago is talking changes, but Panik might be one notch lower than we need.

 

I also wonder if Landeskog is just in decline for good, or if a really off year gets him for a bargain price and a change of scenery wakes him up.

 

Draisaitl? Problem solved forever. But just can't imagine he's available. If he is? Faulk and our first rounder and all of our second rounders and Bean....that guy is for real and I've wanted him somehow here forever. Not happening though, can't be for sale.

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On Eric. Didn't seem like necessarily a shot at us, just a guy feeling some vindication against the idea that he was done.

 

Of course it's a bit frustrating that he rebounded after leaving here, but frankly, whatever was holding him back here, would have continued here, and his presence in that situation here was holding this team's rebuild back.

 

Had to happen, so good for him if he's found life in his career. But yeah, not so much in the playoffs.

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10 minutes ago, remkin said:

On Eric. Didn't seem like necessarily a shot at us, just a guy feeling some vindication against the idea that he was done.

 

Who knows, it could have been a shot at NY.

 

Well this year he "found that extra gear"  that Forslund kept talking about.  Well, at least in the regular season he did.  There seemed to be no desire the last few years here to look for that gear.  Oh well.  Water under the dam.

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1 hour ago, remkin said:

On Eric. Didn't seem like necessarily a shot at us, just a guy feeling some vindication against the idea that he was done.

 

Of course it's a bit frustrating that he rebounded after leaving here, but frankly, whatever was holding him back here, would have continued here, and his presence in that situation here was holding this team's rebuild back.

 

Had to happen, so good for him if he's found life in his career. But yeah, not so much in the playoffs.

 

Years of having elite line mates such as Chad LaRose or even Boychuck is what was holding him back here.  I hated to lose him and agree that it was probxbly best that he moved on.  But boy is it hard to replace him.....

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9 minutes ago, bluedevil58 said:

But boy is it hard to replace him.....

You really think so? Judging purely by our record this year, we already did.

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Rem my mention of RFA offer sheets was solely based on potential success rate.  Chicago, Minnesota, and the Rangers will have serious cap issues.  Of course Granlund or Zibenijad would be good center additions.  Nino would be amazing to get a good true mythical RW.

 

I would agree we should see 3-4 moves.  The dependence on a 4th move is do we get a top line center or winger.  If its a winger then we'll need another move to get a good 3rd line center.

 

Im good with Oshie and the fact we don't trade any assets.

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Its going to take some bold moves and a healthy check book to build a playoff team in the metro....Bottom line is, does RF have both???

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11 hours ago, remkin said:

Draisaitl? Problem solved forever. But just can't imagine he's available.

 

Well, he is RFA this year and the Oil need to keep some powder dry for McJesus next year, so offer sheet him. We certainly have the draft picks to do that. Offer him $8-9M for 5 years. That would cost us two firsts, a second and a third round pick.

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2 hours ago, PamlicoPuck said:

Its going to take some bold moves and a healthy check book to build a playoff team in the metro....Bottom line is, does RF have both???

He's got the former, but PK hasn't really anted up the latter in recent years since JR sold him up the river with J and Semin's monster albatross contracts.

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10 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

You really think so? Judging purely by our record this year, we already did.

 

Us having a 1 C is a debatable topic.  I don't think Rask is cut out for it and neither is Lindholm.

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1 hour ago, MinJaBen said:

 

Well, he is RFA this year and the Oil need to keep some powder dry for McJesus next year, so offer sheet him. We certainly have the draft picks to do that. Offer him $8-9M for 5 years. That would cost us two firsts, a second and a third round pick.

Based on his below stats he is just rounding into a top line player.  If (and I doubt it) he were to be available he would command in the neighborhood of 4 to 5 million per season on a 4 or 5 year deal. He would take one look at Skins and Rask contracts contracts and would slot in nicely at 4.5 per, with additional performance bonuses opportunities. Would want this young German kid before either of the two Colorado players that oddly create a fixation with some.

 

LD.JPG

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38 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

He's got the former, but PK hasn't really anted up the latter in recent years since JR sold him up the river with J and Semin's monster albatross contracts.

 

 

I'm not sure if it's that PK hasn't opened the checkbook or if it's that RF hasn't found the right deal to run to him for it.  Like many i think it's because the past 3 seasons weren't the time for it, but this offseason is.  I hope that when RF does run to PK, the checkbook will come out.

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Im all for Draisaitl.  If I were Edmonton, I would give away RNH for a prospect and decent pick before allowing Draisaitl to walk on a offer sheet.  Draisaitl + a pick and a prospect is worth more than RNH + 2 firsts, a second, and a third.

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2 hours ago, gocanes0506 said:

Im all for Draisaitl.  If I were Edmonton, I would give away RNH for a prospect and decent pick before allowing Draisaitl to walk on a offer sheet.  Draisaitl + a pick and a prospect is worth more than RNH + 2 firsts, a second, and a third.

Hell, as many first picks that Edmonton has had, they should be REQUIRED to give a few players away ;)

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40 minutes ago, LakeLivin said:

Heck, if we're going to try to get Draisaitl from Edmonton, why not just go all in and go after McDavid?  :P

 

 

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Draisaitl is a nice pipe dream. He is Edmonton's second best player and already a top 20 player in the league at 21. He is a ppg (.99) for the season, and has continued at a ppg in 7 playoff games. He was #8 in the league in points, and #10 in ppg ahead of such players as David Paternak, Jack Eichel, Brent Burns, Eric Carlson, etc etc etc. He was also #27 in goals ahead of Conner McDavid.

 

Edmonton would trade every player not mentioned as a diety before not matching an offer on Draisaitl. Definitely RNH and Eberle.

 

Trust me, no one would like Draistail more than me. I've been pining for him for a couple of years, back before he started breaking out. But, alas, that isn't happening.

 

Also, actually acquiring a player this way is less likely than us winning the this year's draft lottery. This notion of offer sheets on RFA's gets a lot of press, but since 2004-05 only one player, one, has been acquired this way: Dustin Penner who Edmonton gave $21.5 million to in 2007.  It's so futile that it's only been tried 8 times in those 17 years.

 

Maybe this time is different, but probably not. This idea that RFA's are any kind of FA is a joke.

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I got this from Canes Country. It's pretty amazing and what I thought I was seeing. Amazing what more minutes and confidence can do for a talented young player in a difficult position. The guy gets elevated to a tougher role, and picks his game up immediately and persistently. I still maintain Noah Hanifin is the real deal, and will be better and better. Next year will be very good.

This is after Hainsey was traded and Hanifin promoted to second pair:

 

(note that points were the same, but over many fewer games and with less time on PP (see Pts/60). Also note the plus minus, and the GF% especially).

 

Noah Hanifin before and after

Statistic Before 2/23 After 2/23
GP 55 (68%) 26 (32%)
Points 2 – 13 – 15 2 – 12 – 14
Pts/60 0.97 1.61
TOI (EV) 14:36 18:29
TOI (PP) 02:14 01:34
TOI 18:52 20:07
+/- -19 even
CF% 49.7% 53.0%
GF% 40.0% 55.6%
PDO 97

100.4

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3 hours ago, remkin said:

Draisaitl is a nice pipe dream.

Exactly. Ain't happening. He's the Messier to McDavid's Gretzky, and EDM management knows it. He's going nowhere.

 

Well, the HOF. There's that.

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