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So Mgmt is unhappy with Skinner?  That’s a two way street Mgmt. Assuming Skins stays (and I hope he does) who doesn’t believe he won’t amp it up this last year of his contract and net 30+? Mgmt will be singing a different tune as they stroke him to re-sign him on account of keeping him past the trade deadline next season heading into the playoffs. He then becomes a goal scoring UFA. IMO not a snowballs chance in hell he re-signs here. Like Babcock said After the Leafs signed JT: ‘I knew after we righted this ship the Ontario boys would want come back home to play.’ If cap space could be found Skins will go home and play in front of sell outs and be a big city celeb. 

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1 hour ago, cc said:

Typical . Pillory Waddell and Dundon for not spending or changing anything then complain when they do. Like I heard Brett Hedican say one time when fans gave up on a game everyone should remember and began leaving.”we don’t need fans like that” Yes I’m calling out all you b and m negative crew.Get behind this team be positive. If not get out of the way and root for Pittsburgh or some other. Ok rant over for now.Not singling you out as there are others.You just had the best quote 

Bwahaha...whatever dude...how about joining me on a few Canes road games before questioning my loyalty 

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8 hours ago, Kyrule said:

Late to the party.

 

I mentioned De Haan a ways back after the trade as a possible candidate to even out our left side. I like the signing, De Haan is a solid, reliable defensive defenseman.

 

I like the options and the leverage that it gives us.

 

Btw, I saw someone say that they weren’t familiar with Ferland. If you want to put a smile on your face, YouTube “Michael Ferland highlights.” Talk about sandpaper, this guy should wear a dog collar and be let off a leash every shift. Before the trade if you asked me to name the top three hitters in the NHL, Ferland would be one of the first guys that comes to mind. When he hits people, sometimes they get hurt, but he’s clean. As long as he isn’t damaged goods, he will be a fan favorite after about 20 games.

He states he is 100% ready to go after the shoulder surgery.

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15 minutes ago, raleighcaniac said:

So Mgmt is unhappy with Skinner?  That’s a two way street Mgmt. Assuming Skins stays (and I hope he does) who doesn’t believe he won’t amp it up this last year of his contract and net 30+? Mgmt will be singing a different tune as they stroke him to re-sign him on account of keeping him past the trade deadline next season heading into the playoffs. He then becomes a goal scoring UFA. IMO not a snowballs chance in hell he re-signs here. Like Babcock said After the Leafs signed JT: ‘I knew after we righted this ship the Ontario boys would want come back home to play.’ If cap space could be found Skins will go home and play in front of sell outs and be a big city celeb. 

raleighcaniac, there is such a thing as "reverse psychology" and what appears to our tainted eyes may in fact just be that? IDK honestly what's going on behind the scenes, but if you recall back a few years ago, this ploy did bring out better play from Skinner. Also, team dynamics is literally undergoing a 180 degree change, ostensibly to root out the "deadwood". Might Skinner be enlivened by the "new Canes" and his "new" coach?

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9 hours ago, Kyrule said:

Late to the party.

 

I mentioned De Haan a ways back after the trade as a possible candidate to even out our left side. I like the signing, De Haan is a solid, reliable defensive defenseman.

 

I like the options and the leverage that it gives us.

 

Btw, I saw someone say that they weren’t familiar with Ferland. If you want to put a smile on your face, YouTube “Michael Ferland highlights.” Talk about sandpaper, this guy should wear a dog collar and be let off a leash every shift. Before the trade if you asked me to name the top three hitters in the NHL, Ferland would be one of the first guys that comes to mind. When he hits people, sometimes they get hurt, but he’s clean. As long as he isn’t damaged goods, he will be a fan favorite after about 20 games.

He states he is 100% ready to go after the shoulder surgery.

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1 hour ago, bluedevil58 said:

I'm thinking we have been negotiating terms with Nylander and will be trading for him soon.  I expect to see a Faulk for Nylander trade in the next day or so now that we know what kind of money he is wanting when he is up for renewal.

 

Would love to see Nylander here, but it's a long shot.  The Leafs will need cheap wingers and defensemen next year. Maybe Faulk, Goat, and a pick.

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36 minutes ago, slapshot02 said:

He states he is 100% ready to go after the shoulder surgery.

 

 

I did read on the Flames board that there's concern about possible concussion issues, though.  May or may not be anything but if there is anything to it, that would be my only concern with him.  Aside from his crazily-spelled name, but meh.

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3 hours ago, PamlicoPuck said:

Standing up for team mates, is something our Canes have been missing for several years.. Hoping this group can gel... 

Mabye that is something Gleason can teach.

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2 hours ago, bluedevil58 said:

I'm thinking we have been negotiating terms with Nylander and will be trading for him soon.  I expect to see a Faulk for Nylander trade in the next day or so now that we know what kind of money he is wanting when he is up for renewal.

Wouldn't that be considered tampering? He's still under contract with another team, I doubt we would be allowed to talk with him. It might be a technicality, but we might be able to contact his agent.

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Wow. I picked a bad period to look away. Let me just echo some here, but I LOVE this move. LOVE it!

 

First, we have finally used some of our cap space and financial room to make a solid move in the UFA market. This means that we lose no assets. 

Second, we are primed now to trade Faulk or at least push him into specialist role, as bottom pair, PP guy. 

 

Third, this player.

 

The more I look into him the more I like, even love about him.

#12 overall pick, 27 years old (just now, for entire year), hits, plays positionally sound, two years ago was #65 for D men in points, so he moves the puck (simple math top 62 is first pair), major shot blocker, good person, good in room, stand up guy. physical. 

Why did the Islanders not sign this guy? Was it that he didn't want to go back?

 

Now to move into a more controversial area, but with a caveat. I know that the dreaded plus minus stat is very problematic. But I have long held that if a guy is at one extreme relative to his teamates and linemates over a long stretch, odds are there's something there. At the very least, I would think if given the chance we'd ideally prefer a guy who at least isn't consistently on the far wrong side of this stat. Well, overall, and especially the last two seasons, deHaan has simply rocked this stat. Two years running he's been a solidly positive guy on a markedly negative team with terrible goalies. Actually, for two years straight, he's been #2 on the team in plus minus. The last two years he is +26 on a team that has been -33 in goal differential over that time. And he doesn't score a lot of goals himself. I may be alone on this, but we are adding solidly plus players, especially on D, and I like it.

 

Now to theoretically move out of controversy. My theory is that the Canes are using the new stats to make these decisions, not plus-minus. I just happen to believe that the new stats will correlate with guys on the extremes. I'm guessing that they looked at Hamilton and deHaan play by play and saw that they both affect the game positively in play after play that doesn't show up in any traditional stat and both guys came in high on those lists, maybe even Ferland too. If so, even better for us.

 

Either way, this guy should be a huge up for us. I was even looking at Sekera for Faulk, and this is massively better. 

 

It just seems that Faulk has to go. At some point we just take the best offer. 

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1 hour ago, slapshot02 said:

He states he is 100% ready to go after the shoulder surgery.

 

Yep.  And Brindy was 100% good to go after his minor fix up surgery after the 5k and previous ACL work.  Good to go to retirement.

 

It was probably your point too.  These guys are always 100% good to go.

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1 hour ago, raleighcaniac said:

So Mgmt is unhappy with Skinner?  That’s a two way street Mgmt. Assuming Skins stays (and I hope he does) who doesn’t believe he won’t amp it up this last year of his contract and net 30+? Mgmt will be singing a different tune as they stroke him to re-sign him on account of keeping him past the trade deadline next season heading into the playoffs. He then becomes a goal scoring UFA. IMO not a snowballs chance in hell he re-signs here. Like Babcock said After the Leafs signed JT: ‘I knew after we righted this ship the Ontario boys would want come back home to play.’ If cap space could be found Skins will go home and play in front of sell outs and be a big city celeb. 

 

I'm sure Babs would coddle him and give him room.  After all, the prodigal is back.  Skins should have no problem going home and taking it easy.  The family could invite Babs over for dinner every now and then to smooth things out.

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8 minutes ago, remkin said:

It just seems that Faulk has to go. At some point we just take the best offer

I will settle for any offer that doesn't involve us paying someone to take him works for me. Retaining some salary, Including some kind of pick/prospect swap, those I can live with. If it comes to including a prospect, ala the way we got Turbo, then keep Faulk and let him be a specialist until someome's RHD goes down or the deadline and someone will make a better deal then.

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I assume we're still trying to move Skinner, but to my eye, the guy to move now is Faulk. I still maintain we need Skinner's scoring this year, while we have 4 NHL RHD now. 

 

This is coming together pretty well in front of the goalie. Still nervous as heck about that part though.

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4 minutes ago, DevildogKodi said:

I will settle for any offer that doesn't involve us paying someone to take him works for me. Retaining some salary, Including some kind of pick/prospect swap, those I can live with. If it comes to including a prospect, ala the way we got Turbo, then keep Faulk and let him be a specialist until someome's RHD goes down or the deadline and someone will make a better deal then.

I think we are close to a point where a team "likely to finish low's" first rounder for Faulk could end up being a good move. How can he not at least fetch that? Next year being a deep draft and the long term importance of having guys on entry deals and all. And if he fetched that plus something, even better.

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2 hours ago, raleighcaniac said:

So Mgmt is unhappy with Skinner?  That’s a two way street Mgmt. Assuming Skins stays (and I hope he does) who doesn’t believe he won’t amp it up this last year of his contract and net 30+? Mgmt will be singing a different tune as they stroke him to re-sign him on account of keeping him past the trade deadline next season heading into the playoffs. He then becomes a goal scoring UFA. IMO not a snowballs chance in hell he re-signs here. Like Babcock said After the Leafs signed JT: ‘I knew after we righted this ship the Ontario boys would want come back home to play.’ If cap space could be found Skins will go home and play in front of sell outs and be a big city celeb. 

No way they have cap space for Skinner in Toronto. $11 million/year for Tavares-what do you think Matthews will want? They have an abundance of young talent for sure, but signing the ones they’ve got will be a challenge. 

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From Toronto I think we are looking at Kapanen and a pick for Faulk.

From Chicago maybe Anisimov or maybe Saad for Faulk straight up.

 

The Skinner/Cole thing has been blown out of proportion - If anything they have already talked about what Cole said.  If I was management I would ask Skins if it was 100% his intention to leave after the upcoming season, keep a lid on his answer, and if it is trade him for the best possible return.  If he states that isn't the case sign him to a three year extension......

 

 

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We are hurting ourselves by trading Faulk for Kapanen or Anisimov. I’d settle for Kapanen if I had to but I’d rather have higher potential futures.

 

We need to find a team that is willing to leverage their future for now (maybe move both Skinner & Faulk)

Toronto: Nylander

Edmonton: RNH (either Faulk & Rask or Faulk & Skinner)

etc...

 

if we go center: Rask should be moved and make a space for Wallmark(i’m bett A roster spot is what is holding up his signing).

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19 minutes ago, gocanes0506 said:

We are hurting ourselves by trading Faulk for Kapanen or Anisimov. I’d settle for Kapanen if I had to but I’d rather have higher potential futures.

 

We need to find a team that is willing to leverage their future for now (maybe move both Skinner & Faulk)

Toronto: Nylander

Edmonton: RNH (either Faulk & Rask or Faulk & Skinner)

etc...

 

if we go center: Rask should be moved and make a space for Wallmark(i’m bett A roster spot is what is holding up his signing).

I'm all on board with the Canes trying to get  RNH .   There was a reason why  the Canes went after Henman  in the draft   and that's because they want some one who is smart  that plays like  RNH   .  If the Canes  could get the actual  RNH  it not only helps out both teams  via trade of Faulk and Skinner .   The Oilers would be getting some defense  and a 30 + goal scorer that could light it up for them  and the Canes would be getting a top  line Center to play with Aho and Turbo , that can then allow Necas to play with Svechnikov on the 2nd line with Staal ,  3rd line  would have Ferland  Rask and Williams ,  and 4th line would be Amazing checking line with Zykov or McGinn  on LW ,  Matinook   at  Center   , and McGinn or Zykov playing the RW .  The Canes would be ready to go  to the playoffs if Mrazek and Darling have bounce back years also  !!!

 

Teravainen / Nugent-Hopkins / Aho

Necas / Staal  / Svechnikov

Ferland / Rask / Williams

Zykov / Martinook / McGinn 

     

      Slavin /Hamilton

      Fleury / Pesce

      De Haan/ TVR 

   

          Mrazek 

           Darling 

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1 hour ago, wxray1 said:

 

I'm sure Babs would coddle him and give him room.  After all, the prodigal is back.  Skins should have no problem going home and taking it easy.  The family could invite Babs over for dinner every now and then to smooth things out.

Maybe if Skinner scored 80+ this year..., but the larger point is that Skinner's career in Carolina (minus his earnings) has been wasted playing for 3 different head coaches in 7 years, a revolving turn-style of mostly inferior line-mates and a so-so lineup at best.  Along with Skins ramping up his game as he likely will given its a contract year, the Canes also better ramp up their league standing and going deeper than one round if they do want to keep him at this point next year (IMO). Skinner is in the driver seat with one year to go and a NTC. Mgmt is sitting shotgun.

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57 minutes ago, gocanes0506 said:

We are hurting ourselves by trading Faulk for Kapanen or Anisimov. I’d settle for Kapanen if I had to but I’d rather have higher potential futures.

 

We need to find a team that is willing to leverage their future for now (maybe move both Skinner & Faulk)

Toronto: Nylander

Edmonton: RNH (either Faulk & Rask or Faulk & Skinner)

etc...

 

if we go center: Rask should be moved and make a space for Wallmark(i’m bett A roster spot is what is holding up his signing).

As much as I'd like to work something out with Toronto at some point they have to reduce cost with the huge contracts due next year.. Do they go all in for this year,one year? Faulk and Skinner for Nylander would increase their cap. Nylander also would have to be a trade and sign.

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40 minutes ago, raleighcaniac said:

  Along with Skins ramping up his game as he likely will given its a contract year, the Canes also better ramp up their league standing and going deeper than one round if they do want to keep him at this point

I believe Skins will have a great year if slotted appropriately and also in a contract year. BTW we have 10 players who are in their contract year. With a new watchful eye in town they will be auditioning for next year and beyond. I have to believe we will be seeing max effort from this team. If not it could be time to pack the bags.

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12 hours ago, Kyrule said:

. . .

Btw, I saw someone say that they weren’t familiar with Ferland. If you want to put a smile on your face, YouTube “Michael Ferland highlights.” Talk about sandpaper, this guy should wear a dog collar and be let off a leash every shift. Before the trade if you asked me to name the top three hitters in the NHL, Ferland would be one of the first guys that comes to mind. When he hits people, sometimes they get hurt, but he’s clean. As long as he isn’t damaged goods, he will be a fan favorite after about 20 games.

 

The one thing that concerns me is that Flames fans say that the hitting (and scoring) greatly diminished after Ferlands injury last year.  I'm wondering which Ferland will show up this year?  There's a limit to what the body can take; hopefully Ferland has a lot of tread left on the tire.

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