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Haven't heard any specifics other than the typical lower body injury. At first I thought it was a groin issue but heard he had an MRI. Possible Knee issue?

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3 hours ago, slapshot02 said:

Haven't heard any specifics other than the typical lower body injury. At first I thought it was a groin issue but heard he had an MRI. Possible Knee issue?

I could have sworn I heard someone say hamstring. 

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I was watching this video and focusing on Necas' speed down the ice, but then I noticed something else on this play. He passes back to Foegele. It's very quick, but watch how Foegele takes that puck. Have to watch close because it happens fast in the corner of the screen. He pulls it between his legs from behind his back to his stick up front, then feeds over for the chance. Slick.

 

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@remkin

 

i wish we had more skill on Necas’ line.

 

McGinn & Z aren’t the matches for Necas.

 

Add a veteran to Necas’ line with Foegele, it could be nasty and possibly unstoppable.

 

Either put big Z or McGinn on Aho’s line

 

ZAT

McGinn-Staal-Williams

Foegele-Necas-Ferland

Martinook-Wallmark-Svech

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8 hours ago, remkin said:

And with the assumption that Foegele will not touch AHL ice for a long time, if ever, we can now point to 3 truely special late round picks for this team, and possibly a 4th with others still on the horizon. 

 

Foegele: 3rd round.

Pesce: 3rd round.

Slavin: 4th round.

 

Wallmark: 4th round.

 

Supposedly, rounds 3-7 produce NHL players (>200 games) at about a 12% clip collectively. This suggests that a team should get about 2 NHL players out of every 3 years of drafting about 15 late round guys. Since these late picks almost always take 2-3 year or more to get to the NHL, and we have Booth, Roy, Helvig, Geekie, Cotton, and others still too soon to tell, we have to really stop the clock around the 2015 draft. 

 

All 4 of those guys above were drafted 2012-2014. If Wallmark hits 200 games, that would be 4 guys in 3 years with the 2015 and after classes still brewing.

 

But it goes way past that, because a lot of those late round guys have sort of borderline careers, but at least our top 3 of that list are bonafide players contributing at a high level.

All of the above drafted by Ron Francis. 3-4 years from now will we be looking back at how well we continued to stock the cupboard? Time will tell.

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Actually, 2012 class drafted by JR, if I’m not mistaken, but the point is the same. I think we kept most of our scouting staff after RF left. How much of the final call on lower round picks is left to the scouts and how much is the call made by the GM after getting input from the scouts? 

 

 

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22 hours ago, caneswincup said:

Neither was interested in staying though.

 

im not unhappy about that. We got an excellent return on investment as they were both key pieces to the cup. But they weren’t going to stay here long term.

Agree, but JR/PK wasn’t going to pay them to come back. He let Cullen and A. Ward go as well. PK never lost sight of his budget, even after winning the Cup. 

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On 10/7/2018 at 4:52 PM, top-shelf-1 said:

I can't help wondering if part of the whole "is he ready" thing is a facet of his salary negotiation, in view of how little we've heard about it. I know, I know... but Roddy's a company man and a member of the Committee. If TD thinks he might save a million or so a year in the early stages of a multi-year deal based on this "uncertainty," I could see him asking his coach to put it out there.

 

Regardless, here's a question: What do folks think he's asking for, and what the org is offering? I have to think TD wants to keep it at $6 million throughout, and will cite Staal as his rationale (which would be unreasonable IMO, comparing their ages and offensive upsides, but in line with what TD has expressed about being smart about contracts [translation: pay as little as you can]). I'd guess Seabass would be okay with that much early in the deal, but probably wants it stepped up to $8 million by the time it terms out.

 

NTC? I don't even want to think about that can of worms.

 

Interestingly, Laine isn't extended in The Peg yet, either, and says he's in no hurry.

Top, Staal is not a fair comparison because his deal was done so long ago. As far as “upside” at age 21, Staal was 6’4”, 220, and scored 45 goals and 100 points in his second NHL season (playing with a better surrounding cast), and was our established #2 center for all of his second season. Not sure how Aho compares more favorably. That said, Aho needs to get paid. And hopefully, soon.

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53 minutes ago, bluedevilcane said:

Top, Staal is not a fair comparison because his deal was done so long ago. As far as “upside” at age 21, Staal was 6’4”, 220, and scored 45 goals and 100 points in his second NHL season (playing with a better surrounding cast), and was our established #2 center for all of his second season. Not sure how Aho compares more favorably. That said, Aho needs to get paid. And hopefully, soon.

I was referring to Jordan, not Eric.

 

And I agree, Aho needs to get paid, toot freakin' sweet. The fact that it hasn't happened is what I'm worried about.

 

I can imagine Dundon saying, "Sebastian, I can't have you making more in your fourth season than Jordan is in his 10th [or whatever he's up to]," and leaving it there. I can even imagine him invoking Rask, to argue that $6 million is too much in the first year of his first negotiated (non-ELC) deal.

 

My hope is that my concerns are completely unfounded, and that the people around TD can convince him of the rarity of Aho's talent. Though I shudder to think that he'd try to save a few million on the front end, at the same time, all of his public comments indicate (to me) that he might.

 

If it were me negotiating, I'd go $6 million for three years, 7 for 2 and 8 through the end of the deal, with a limited NTC after year three. The fact that nothing's gotten done yet, a couple months after negotiations began, has me concerned that TD either lowballed him and/or already ruled out an NTC of any kind. Either would likely cause Aho's agent to balk.  

 

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clarity

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4 hours ago, LakeLivin said:

Obviously I hope that Darling's injury is minor.  I also hope it allows him to maintain his fitness level even while he's unable to actually play.

Lake, it's a lower body injury. Shouldn't impact his use of eating utensils one bit.:lol:

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TD was a hard bargainer for Chuck and the GM because he wants all his money on the ice. I have a very hard time believing TD will tell a guy who in his rookie season scored 1 point less than another’s season high over 10 years, “hey sorry, you cannot make more than a 50 point scorer.”

 

He spent half a million (190k increase from the original projection even) on the locker room to help recruit guys.  

 

TD will spend money on the ice. On something that is more trouble than its worth or on a unproven manager, not so much.

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10 hours ago, gocanes0506 said:

He spent half a million (190k increase from the original projection even) on the locker room to help recruit guys.

I'll assume your reply is in response to my post about Aho, though you didn't quote me.

 

As for the above, 190K on a locker room is chump change compared to anything he's discussing with Aho's people.

 

Like I said, I'm hoping my fears are completely unfounded, but given the talent that needs to get paid here in the next few years, plus the fact that TT is also in need of extension, it'd be nice to get some good news on both of them, ASAP.

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I'm hoping that it's all part of the negotiation process. Not that Aho won't be paid, but not overpaid. Can't just give him his first request kind of thing. Despite the abundant cap space, good salary negotiation is still important as it all adds up and at some point down the road the cap could be an issue. 

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I think we'll see a better approach to contract negotiations than the frivolous Staals and Ward contracts that were given because of one good season.  2 of those 3 really handcuffed the organization to make moves because of our internal cap.

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I feel like the team is one forward away from being really good.  We need some talent with Necas.

 

I understand its a small sample size but if Z and/or McGinn could get going that would be good. Z looks like a PP specialist and McGinn a 4th liner at this moment.

 

PS not complaining about our offensive output so far.

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I was listening to something, I think it was Michael Smith was on XM, (did a nice job BTW), said we may not be done making moves. I still think we need Fleury in and could be looking to make that Faulk move. 

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1 hour ago, remkin said:

I was listening to something, I think it was Michael Smith was on XM, (did a nice job BTW), said we may not be done making moves. I still think we need Fleury in and could be looking to make that Faulk move. 

When was that, rem? That makes sense as now have had some time to access things "under fire" so to speak.

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1 hour ago, remkin said:

I was listening to something, I think it was Michael Smith was on XM, (did a nice job BTW), said we may not be done making moves. I still think we need Fleury in and could be looking to make that Faulk move. 

I doubt we are truly done.  The only teams that I could think of that are mailing it in this early:

Senators (but need nhl ready talent because they cant be but so bad)

Rangers?

Toronto isn't mailing in but has the big name left

Columbus- all them injuries and impending FAs

Who in the western conference?

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24 minutes ago, KJUNKANE said:

When was that, rem? That makes sense as now have had some time to access things "under fire" so to speak.

This was very recent. I think yesterday, but might have been the day before.

 

I can't say he was sending out signals, but it also sounded like more than the "we're always open to improving the team" boilerplate nonsense.

 

I don't know if anyone else heard it, but I recall it being relatively unprompted too. It was something like, "The Canes made some interesting offseason moves, tell us about those". To which I thought he said, "Yes, and they may not be done yet either."

 

May be nothing, but I think we want to make one more significant move if we can.

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