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Speaking of signings, anyone else see that JR has to publicly defend his craptastic signing of Jack Johnson, who has been a major bust thus far?

 

Those two deserve each other!

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Just now, AWACSooner said:

Btw, Smith-Pelly of the Craps got surprisingly put on waivers today...why sayeth y’all about the possibility of him?

 

There's a reason he got put on waivers.  Zero points in his last 17 games, 4g and 8pts in 54 games this season.  

 

Our "lower tier" forwards have done well recently and we're in the midst of a playoff drive with little margin for error (or time to see what the proverbial "change of scenery" might do).  Plus we need to work Staal back into the lineup.  Pass for me.

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13 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

Btw, Smith-Pelly of the Craps got surprisingly put on waivers today...why sayeth y’all about the possibility of him?

 

 

I went ahead and made the call for Waddell, just in case.  Always liked Smith-Pelly.  He's on a 1-year contract - a rental without giving up anything.  Worst that can happen is he doesn't fit and we put him on waivers ourselves.  No way in Hades does he make it to us though - someone will snag him.

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One other thought on Smith-Pelly.  We've got Staal coming back.  Maenalanen isn't subject to waivers but I believe McKegg is?  Not sure about the emergency callup rules, but I think McKegg is past that?  Would we want to risk losing McKegg if that's what it took to give Smith-Pelly a look?

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1 hour ago, AWACSooner said:

Btw, Smith-Pelly of the Craps got surprisingly put on waivers today...why sayeth y’all about the possibility of him?

 

I have a feeling it'll be a " with Jordan coming back, we like our group".

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Fenton is rather desperate after his last highly craptastic trade. lol. Any takers for the "one possibility" mentioned in the nhl.com article? Kinda p'd me off when he dogged it the last year here, but the rental help might be rational for a stretch run..

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4 hours ago, remkin said:

While not having to make a move puts us in a good position to not make a bad trade, it also removes the impetus that leads to actually making trades. The vast majority of trades don't happen, and I'd wager that is even less when one side feels no need to make one. With the Rask-Nino trade the committee felt a burning need to make a trade. That's why it happened. Don Waddell kept pestering until they relented. We needed more scoring and we needed to get rid of Rask.

 

But now, we need a blockbuster trade but don't need it at the deadline. Also we have J Staal coming back, and Nino is providing the much needed offense. If the committee is only going to make a deal that is too good to pass up, they are probably not going to make a deal.

 

I hope they do make a move, but I'd bet they don't.

 

I think this team SHOULD make every move possible to get in given the lack of playoffs and the lowest payroll. But they are going to need to feel a bit more urgency than they are letting on.

I dont quite feel the same way. If we trade one of the surplus D you bring up Fluery. Then you have to send someone down, who do you send? McKegg, Saku, Fogel are all playing very well and not all are waiver exempt so you risk losing them. Then you has screwed with the chemistry of at a minimum 1 D pair and 1 line if not more. Right now these guys have been one of the top 3 teams in league since the start of the year, unfortunately they dug themselves a hole that is tough to get out of but they did.

 

This group right her right now is easily a playoff team and tinkering too much can hurt their chances going forward.

 

Run with what you have, dont waste assets on rentals, and make moves in the offseason

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28 minutes ago, Derailed75 said:

I dont quite feel the same way. If we trade one of the surplus D you bring up Fluery. Then you have to send someone down, who do you send? McKegg, Saku, Fogel are all playing very well and not all are waiver exempt so you risk losing them. Then you has screwed with the chemistry of at a minimum 1 D pair and 1 line if not more. Right now these guys have been one of the top 3 teams in league since the start of the year, unfortunately they dug themselves a hole that is tough to get out of but they did.

 

This group right her right now is easily a playoff team and tinkering too much can hurt their chances going forward.

 

Run with what you have, dont waste assets on rentals, and make moves in the offseason

I get the chemistry thing. It's a tough call. Will this team continue this? 

 

But I'm not really advocating for a rental. I'm thinking that the committee should try to make that big deal if they can. Even though I do think that not having to trade decreases the chances of a trade, that doesn't mean I'd make a desperate trade. Only keep working it. 

 

It's always problematic to bring up actual names because we all have our specific thoughts about specific players, but say just for the sake of argument that Stone would do a trade and sign (I pick him because I like him, but insert name here). It is true that either the addition of Stone or the loss of say Faulk or Pesce could mess with the D chemistry. But I take the risk to create a power team moving forward. (Note this is not a Stone rental, it would have to be a sign and trade type deal). 

 

If that type of player is not available, then I pass. And any rentals that are not clear upgrades will push on the point of sending guys down that you mention. That's why I'd rank a low level rental even lower likelihood than the big hockey trade we need. 

 

But as much as chemistry matters, if you could add a Stone and had to send McKegg down? Or Foegele? Or Maenalenen? TBH, that's a no brainer. And those guys could be worked in as scratches and with injuries and roster expansion. 

 

Those big deals are hard to come by though, and so most likely, we so no significant deals at all. 

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19 minutes ago, remkin said:

I get the chemistry thing. It's a tough call. Will this team continue this? 

 

But I'm not really advocating for a rental. I'm thinking that the committee should try to make that big deal if they can. Even though I do think that not having to trade decreases the chances of a trade, that doesn't mean I'd make a desperate trade. Only keep working it. 

 

It's always problematic to bring up actual names because we all have our specific thoughts about specific players, but say just for the sake of argument that Stone would do a trade and sign (I pick him because I like him, but insert name here). It is true that either the addition of Stone or the loss of say Faulk or Pesce could mess with the D chemistry. But I take the risk to create a power team moving forward. (Note this is not a Stone rental, it would have to be a sign and trade type deal). 

 

If that type of player is not available, then I pass. And any rentals that are not clear upgrades will push on the point of sending guys down that you mention. That's why I'd rank a low level rental even lower likelihood than the big hockey trade we need. 

 

But as much as chemistry matters, if you could add a Stone and had to send McKegg down? Or Foegele? Or Maenalenen? TBH, that's a no brainer. And those guys could be worked in as scratches and with injuries and roster expansion. 

 

Those big deals are hard to come by though, and so most likely, we so no significant deals at all. 

 

I know you're not implying otherwise, but just to be clear, the issue of sending someone down came up in relation to Smith-Pelly.  I don't think many would have a problem if we could land another legit top 6 forward. 

 

Speaking of waivers: gotta believe that since McKegg would be exposed to waivers if sent down, Maenalanen would go first.  Foegele could also be safely sent down.  But beyond that, if it came down to exposing McKegg to waivers (I'm guessing he wouldn't clear) or sending Wallmark down, what's the call (directed to the board in general, not just rem)?

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We are only carrying 21 players, including Staal, if I’m not mistaken, so we could add one or two without sending anyone down.I do think that when Staal is healthy, we need to play him because we are woeful in the faceoff circle, but I’m not sure who you sit or whether you juggle any lines. Notwithstanding what Staal does well, there is the argument that we have been lights out without him since January 1st.

 

And please, please, don’t make room for Staal by trading Ferland!

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Staal can contribute in ways we can use, but i do hope he's brought in slowly and not thrust back into the 'he's our best player' role playing 95 minutes a night and turning us back into a high-possession/low-threat team.  Bring him in as 4C/PKer/face-off specialist and he'll be beneficial.  Throw him out there with Ferland & Teravainen eating up huge minutes and i do think he'll be detrimental, at least until he gets back up to game speed.

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2 hours ago, PamlicoPuck said:

This team is better without Staal in the line up. He's missed to many games to be effective and points matter now...... Chemistry buster imo....

I don't know. I think he is highly respected (rightly so) in the room. When a young team has worked as hard as this one to become relevant without a leadership guy who's been in multiple stretch runs, getting him back can only be a good thing. If he doesn't appear to be up to speed, you put him on the fourth and PK and let him take key draws until he either gets there or settles into that role.

 

I get the fears about an all-cycling/no-finish line if he's on it, but given his practice partners (TT and Ferland) I doubt that will be the case. And finally, I think his hunger to get back could prove infectious.

 

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Sitting precariously where the team is in the standings, all points about trade vs not, to me at least are valid. The question about "chemistry", whether it relate to Staal or to some player from the outside, would suggest that it is fragile, so I've got to ask, Do we think it is? On Staal, certainly this is a player the majority of this team has played with, and thus I feel they know pretty well. And if his one attribute to win face-offs is a critical element missing, and translates to preserving energy thru not having to go chase down the puck and battle to then get possession, then in the coming shall we say, compressed, final part of this season, that one advantage could be HUGE. Preservation of energy will never be more critical.

 

As to bringing in a player via trade, waiver wire or other, I'm sitting on the fence with that one. A part of me is enticed by the fantasy that the unknown would bring, say a trade for Stone (for rem), Kapanen, Nylander or the like, yet there obviously would have to be a "break in period" for one of them. The crux of the issue, to me at least, is my question I am sensing from the last couple of games, echoed by Rod, Is the energy of this team sagging? He said that for the 2 games prior to the Rangers and I've not caught one following the NYR game, and likewise didn't see the game to sense that. That being the case, and with a horrific March schedule coming up, maybe a player move ups their collective energy? With so little time to integrate said player, is that a luxury this team has? We certainly witnessed an energy spark when Niederreiter came on board. Can Waddell et al hit 2 home runs?

 

Whatever it is, our agony will be over in less than a week.

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The sending down a guy was in response to derailed's post. 

 

I don't think that the chemistry on this team is at all fragile. Pesce went down, kept on rolling. Jordan's been out, keep rolling. Even McE and I think at one point Mrazek were out. Rask out, Nino in. Chemistry? Keeps on chugging. Even a guy like Dougy who seemed to be struggling a bit to fit in, is now rolling and right there photo bombing guys. No worries about that. We can bring in just about anyone but the nastiest cancer, and be fine IMO. The Chemistry is strong with this one.

 

I love Pesce. He is a serious piece. But the idea of getting Nylander for him is still very appealing to me. Yes, I'd take Marner in a heartbeat, but I don't see it. I'm not sold on Kapanen as quite elite enough for that move right now. 

 

We've been really down on Jordo this season. And his play has been off to be sure. But this is a guy who will help. He is better than our 4th line center by a mile. This is a guy who's historical offense is that of the best 3C in the league or a low end proven 2C, and he brings defense and possession. He is a stablizing force. Personally, I think he'll be a shot in the arm of a team that played two bad games and then lost their last one. He might be a reason we keep winning rather than fade back. 

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Four days and counting. Latest moves and news over the past couple of days

 

23 hours ago

According to a press box observer in Carolina last night, the Maple Leafs had two guys taking in Rangers-Hurricanes including AGM Laurence Gilman. The Leafs have scouted Carolina a lot but the Rangers would also be of interest to them.

Feb 19

Patrick Eaves (Ana), Michael Haley (Fla), Thomas McCollum (Nash), Michael Leighton (Van) placed on waivers today

Feb 20

San Jose Sharks claim Micheal Haley off waivers from Florida

Feb 20

San Jose Sharks claim Micheal Haley off waivers from Florida

15 hours ago

acquire Charlie Coyle from in exchange for Ryan Donato and a 2019 conditional 5th-round draft pick:

NEWS | Capitals have acquired forward from the Los Angeles Kings for a third round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft and a conditional sixth round pick in the 2020 NHL Entry Draft.

 

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21 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

I still think we do nothing 

 

You may be right. I still think we will do something. It is a toss up right now.

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1 hour ago, OBXer said:

You may be right. I still think we will do something. It is a toss up right now.

 

 

I think we'll do something, but our 'something' may be holding on to Ferland past the deadline and possibly getting Staal back before the deadline.

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So Duchene, Stone, and Dzingel sit out vs. NJ and Ottawa gets shut-out, which means they likely won’t be in the lineup tomorrow (now today) vs. Columbus.

 

So CBJ gets a free 2 points. Typical Canes luck. 

 

Anything can happen but...

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