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1 hour ago, slapshot02 said:

Ferland should of just skated by and laughed leaving Backes without his gloves and stick. An odd man rush would of been more effective.

Yep, that would be one response however, I would suppose that retrospectively its easier to be cool, calm and collected than it is on the ice when you're challenged, particularly if one has a fighter mentality that I think Ferland has? And I just don't know that I agree had Ferland not answered the challenge, that Boston players would have been picking fights all over the ice? Keep taking clean hits, and let them implode like I recall Chara did on one occasion several years back.

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2 hours ago, KJUNKANE said:

Yep, that would be one response however, I would suppose that retrospectively its easier to be cool, calm and collected than it is on the ice when you're challenged, particularly if one has a fighter mentality that I think Ferland has? And I just don't know that I agree had Ferland not answered the challenge, that Boston players would have been picking fights all over the ice? Keep taking clean hits, and let them implode like I recall Chara did on one occasion several years back.

Ferland wont back down from anyone but perhaps that is where he has to get smarter. Choose the battles and save the body. His message was already delivered and he may have been able to draw a penalty by not dropping the gloves. The less time in the box during big games the better.

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5 hours ago, KJUNKANE said:

And I just don't know that I agree had Ferland not answered the challenge, that Boston players would have been picking fights all over the ice?

 

 

This.  If this were the B's mentality, then i figure it would have resulted in a 'they only have one guy willing to step and he's gone for the night so go nuts' response.  Brenda needs to bring Evander back to teach Ferland how to fight without having to call it a night immediately after.

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2 hours ago, slapshot02 said:

Ferland wont back down from anyone but perhaps that is where he has to get smarter. Choose the battles and save the body. His message was already delivered and he may have been able to draw a penalty by not dropping the gloves. The less time in the box during big games the better.

Still doesn't let Backes off the hook. Which guy do you think instigated? Ferland had no reason to, Backes had plenty. He should have gotten the gate, the five, and the 10.

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7 minutes ago, top-shelf-1 said:

Still doesn't let Backes off the hook. Which guy do you think instigated? Ferland had no reason to, Backes had plenty. He should have gotten the gate, the five, and the 10.

Yah, I can agree with that one...

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22 hours ago, beboplar said:

Just because Backes is a stand up guy does not make this action right.  Ferland made a great play.  No one from the referees or linesmen to Backes himself deemed the play dirty;  a good old fashioned hard clean check.  The right play would be to accept it and try to make the right play back at ya, not the Bruin way of let's stop everything so I can show my teammate what a stand up guy I am and at the same time send the opponent packing.  If a player started a fight in any other sport from baseball to basketball to football, after the opponent made a play not deemed in any way as an offense by the officials (and in this case the player himself), he would immediately get tossed from the game, MINIMUM, and probably face league sanctions.  I don't get you.  You have a Whaler logo associated with your tag, and if you have been watching the Whalers/Canes play for as long as I have against the Bruins, which in my case is for their entire NHL history, then you know that the Bruins have been doing this forever, and forever is way too long when it results in our player getting injured after he makes a clean play.

 

From one old Whaler fan to another, you have my respect but even though I haven't followed the old Whaler-Bruins rivalry quite as long as you, I have left the damn "Baahsdn Gaahden" in the 80s with my hair and Whalers jersey smelling of beer more often than I care to remember. And, no, I'm not sticking up for Backes or despise the Bruins and their intimidating tactics any less than you.

 

I just think it's a little overboard calling for instigator/aggressor/misconduct/match penalties, not to mention a fine and suspension, on Backes, for wanting to fight after a team mate got laid out and hurt by what some might deem an excessively physical, albeit legal hit. To me all those penalties are not that clear cut, especially since Backes and Ferland were willing participants in the fight; they simultaneously dropped their gloves after the face-off; Backes didn't even get a notable punch in; Ferland clearly won the bout and neither guy took cheap shots or liberties after they fell to the ice. Just a good old fashioned fight after a good old fashioned hard clean check as you would say, with the only disappointing consequence being that Ferland hurt himself (again). 

 

We see a bunch of those agreed-upon fights every year and have for as long as I can remember and like I said, if the shoe was on the other foot I would expect no less from any Cane to call out an opponent to make a statement. I've seen way too much "acceptance" over the past years not to appreciate stand-up guys now that we have a couple on the team.  

 

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8 hours ago, Whaler1 said:

after a team mate got laid out and hurt by what some might deem an excessively physical, albeit legal hit.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Johanssen made a decision to try to cut to the middle on Ferland. Big mistake. There are other guys he could have tried that on and maybe got there, but knowing who you're playing against is part of the game, and whether Johanssen simply made a bad decision or forgot who he was playing against, I can promise you this: he won't be forgetting the next time he tries it.

 

Backes retaliating on the basis of his teammate's stupidity only screams all the louder for instigator treatment as far as I'm concerned. And under the rule, he would not have gotten a match penalty unless he instigated a second time (I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME, YOU SILLY ENGLISH PERSON!!) in the same game.

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17 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

Still doesn't let Backes off the hook. Which guy do you think instigated? Ferland had no reason to, Backes had plenty. He should have gotten the gate, the five, and the 10.

Oh,I agree I'm just saying Ferland could of avoided it  and kept a healthy shoulder and hand for another day.

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12 hours ago, Whaler1 said:

 

From one old Whaler fan to another, you have my respect but even though I haven't followed the old Whaler-Bruins rivalry quite as long as you, I have left the damn "Baahsdn Gaahden" in the 80s with my hair and Whalers jersey smelling of beer more often than I care to remember. And, no, I'm not sticking up for Backes or despise the Bruins and their intimidating tactics any less than you.

 

I just think it's a little overboard calling for instigator/aggressor/misconduct/match penalties, not to mention a fine and suspension, on Backes, for wanting to fight after a team mate got laid out and hurt by what some might deem an excessively physical, albeit legal hit. To me all those penalties are not that clear cut, especially since Backes and Ferland were willing participants in the fight; they simultaneously dropped their gloves after the face-off; Backes didn't even get a notable punch in; Ferland clearly won the bout and neither guy took cheap shots or liberties after they fell to the ice. Just a good old fashioned fight after a good old fashioned hard clean check as you would say, with the only disappointing consequence being that Ferland hurt himself (again). 

 

We see a bunch of those agreed-upon fights every year and have for as long as I can remember and like I said, if the shoe was on the other foot I would expect no less from any Cane to call out an opponent to make a statement. I've seen way too much "acceptance" over the past years not to appreciate stand-up guys now that we have a couple on the team.  

 

From one old Whaler fan to another, what is your favorite Whaler memory?  Mine is game 6, 1986 playoff round against Montreal, down 3-2 in games, all on the line, Kevin Dineen steals the puck from Larry Robinson, skates in on Patrick Roy and scores the winning goal to send the series to Montreal for game 7.  The entire Civic Center erupts, and at that moment it felt like the entire City of Hartford exploded it was so loud.  Montreal went on to win game 7, 1-0, and also go on to win the Stanley Cup, but the Whale never played better.

Ferland is listed as doubtful for tonite's game, while Backes plays on.  This is having a direct effect on the standings.  The NHL has been talking as if safety is of some importance to the brand of the sport.  If so, Ferland getting injured after making a great, clean play, due to the opponent stopping the game in order to inflict injury upon him is a stain upon the sport.  When it gets to the point where one team has to lose a key player due to the offense of another, the league should step in and punish the offending team.

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3 hours ago, slapshot02 said:

Oh,I agree I'm just saying Ferland could of avoided it  and kept a healthy shoulder and hand for another day.

I understand, but I also know that in his position it can actually make more sense to accept the challenge and take your chances in a fight than to leave yourself open to cheap shots during play, if you refuse to drop 'em. And if they are skilled at nothing else, the Boston Bruins can go cheap like nobody's business.

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6 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Johanssen made a decision to try to cut to the middle on Ferland. Big mistake. There are other guys he could have tried that on and maybe got there, but knowing who you're playing against is part of the game, and whether Johanssen simply made a bad decision or forgot who he was playing against, I can promise you this: he won't be forgetting the next time he tries it.

 

Backes retaliating on the basis of his teammate's stupidity only screams all the louder for instigator treatment as far as I'm concerned. And under the rule, he would not have gotten a match penalty unless he instigated a second time (I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME, YOU SILLY ENGLISH PERSON!!) in the same game.

 

Totally agree with you on Johanssen. For a guy with a concussion history you'd think he'd at least pay a little more attention to what's going on around him and who is on the ice but he didn't and ended up getting rocked a Hurricane who, I'm pretty sure, saw his opportunity and had all the intention of doing so -- and to keep it clean. As hard as his hit was I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't contribute to his (re-) injury.

 

And about the fight, first of all my reply was to another poster's demands which fell just short of wanting Backes' car getting impounded and half his assets seized. I would have been ok with it but I also would have been very surprised if Backes ended up with an additional instigator and misconduct call since both dropped their gloves and agreed to do-se-do which, in my eyes, automatically negated any need or reason to punish just one guy for starting a fight. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Whaler1 said:

And about the fight, first of all my reply was to another poster's demands which fell just short of wanting Backes' car getting impounded and half his assets seized.

Heh. Fair enough.

 

I hear you on not expecting it, my point is just that if the NHL really wanted to stop unnecessary fights (it doesn't, of course), it could, since under the rule, the instigator call can be made the moment the perpetrator calls the other guy out. So instead we get an injured player and we get Backes admitting that he was told to goon it up to keep his job, and then going out and doing it--with zero repercussions.

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3 minutes ago, top-shelf-1 said:

I hear you on not expecting it, my point is just that if the NHL really wanted to stop unnecessary fights (it doesn't, of course), it could, since under the rule, the instigator call can be made the moment the perpetrator calls the other guy out. So instead we get an injured player and we get Backes admitting that he was told to goon it up to keep his job, and then going out and doing it--with zero repercussions.

 

I get that but I also think that if Ferland didn't get hurt in the fight, folks would have been ok with it and wouldn't be nearly as adamant about additional penalties and zero repercussions

 

Just sayin'  

 

 

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3 hours ago, beboplar said:

From one old Whaler fan to another, what is your favorite Whaler memory?  Mine is game 6, 1986 playoff round against Montreal, down 3-2 in games, all on the line, Kevin Dineen steals the puck from Larry Robinson, skates in on Patrick Roy and scores the winning goal to send the series to Montreal for game 7.  The entire Civic Center erupts, and at that moment it felt like the entire City of Hartford exploded it was so loud.  Montreal went on to win game 7, 1-0, and also go on to win the Stanley Cup, but the Whale never played better.

 

 

Awesome! That was my first play-off game I ever attended!! 

 

My favorite Whaler memory was my first NHL game ever back in 84. I heard that the Oilers were coming to town and I was more interested in seeing Gretzky for the first time than watching the Whalers. It turned out that Gretzky was hurt and not even playing but I became an instant fan of Francis and the Whalers after they routed the Oilers 11-0.

 

My least favorite games were at the start of the 86/87 season attending an away game at the "Gaahdn" when the Whale lost 7-2, I had beer poured on me and my resulting attitude got me escorted from the game before I got killed; against the Pens, March 91, when Francis returned to Hartford a few days after he got traded; and of course April 97 when the Whale played the last game. 

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