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54 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

 

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9 hours ago, slapshot02 said:

Didnt follow Sara until I realized her talents.

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You like her talent of having goofy looking guys over her shoulder?

 

I guess it takes all types!

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6 hours ago, LakeLivin said:

Priske's goals over 4 years: 4, 7, 11, 17.  Fox's over 3 years: 6, 6, 9.  McAvoy over 2 years: 3, 5. 

 

 

To the surprise of absolutely no one, show me he can defend and i'll get excited.  Goals from a defenseman are nice, but if he can't defend, he isn't doing his real job.  Cam Ward is one of the leading scorers amongst goaltenders in the NHL but that doesn't mean i want to rely on him to stop pucks.  Make the cake first and then the goals can be the icing.

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11 minutes ago, realmdrakkar said:

To the surprise of absolutely no one, show me he can defend and i'll get excited.  Goals from a defenseman are nice, but if he can't defend, he isn't doing his real job.  Cam Ward is one of the leading scorers amongst goaltenders in the NHL but that doesn't mean i want to rely on him to stop pucks.  Make the cake first and then the goals can be the icing.

 

Who knows without actually having seen him?  His +- was second best on his team last season, but we all know how limited that stat is.  I think the fact that the Canes were pursuing him even before he announced he was going "free agent" suggests to me that there is likely defensive potential.  I can't see this organization going after a player that presented as a defensive liability, not with Brindy as the coach and having input to the Committee.   But like I said, who knows? Icing may not be sufficient, but it's nice to know it's there if there's the possibility of cake to be had.

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We got Priskie for nothing.  Great work again by the dysfunctional cheap-*edit* front office that can't attract talent to Raleigh.  Hope he actually develops concurrently with the hopes by the front office that he will.  If so, this is just great asset management by the team, considering expiring contracts and the expansion draft.

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8 hours ago, coastal_caniac said:

Also, McKeown is probably packing.

 

That was my next thought. This was a nice signing and should pay off in the not to distant future.

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I look at it like this, while we can all nitpick the kid who's apparently 23, so not without merits during the period when facial hair is being promoted, he was being sought after by several other teams so must have some potential? He has scored in whatever the strength of the hockey expertise that has surrounded him (again I've seen several criticizing the league he's in), for whatever that's worth, but as I stated, that hasn't stopped it would appear several teams from pursuing him including the likes of Montreal, Nashville and at least a half dozen others, so there's that. More importantly, HE CHOSE US with whom to sign over these several other choices, giving us a degree of relevance we've been losing with the Fox's, Johnson's and others blessed with this loophole to use. Whether he can make it or not in our system is truly immaterial at this point due to the backlog it would appear that exits in our defensive strength, BUT even knowing those odds, he seems to find value in throwing in with us and I think he is giving us a glimpse of his self confidence in signing here. I LIKE IT

 

One last thing, I've seen several comments from Montreal fans grousing over the audacity of his signing with The Bunch of Jerks team related to the "cheapness of the owner", how he will be a bust, and several others, and just had to smile as it brought me great joy. 

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13 hours ago, Derailed75 said:

You like her talent of having goofy looking guys over her shoulder?

 

I guess it takes all types!

I dont think he was complaining.

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10 hours ago, coastal_caniac said:

Also, McKeown is probably packing.

I remember the guys calling the Calder games going on and on about McKeown, who was supposedly NHL ready a couple of years ago. I do think shaking up the D too much could be risky,. but I'd like to see a run of McKeown before trading him for probably a low return. I really wonder if McKeown could come up and we trade TVR instead. Might not get much for him either, coming off surgery, and TVR has been effective.  I like the idea of getting some of these guys up here on the bottom pair, though might be easier said than done, maybe if TVR isn't fully ready?

 

We probably do end up trading him though. Just too many prospects. 

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NHL D men and potential NHL D men (ready or close):

 

Slavin

Pesce

Hamilton

Faulk

TVR

Fleury

Forsling

McKeown

Bean

Priskie

 

(Sellgren) reportedly looks very good.

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GM Realm would look to trade Fleury before McKeown, but then GM Realm would have had McKeown in Raleigh last season instead of Fleury as well so what does he know...

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19 minutes ago, remkin said:

NHL D men and potential NHL D men (ready or close):

 

Slavin

Pesce

Hamilton

TVR

Fleury

McKeown

Bean

Priskie

 

(Sellgren) reportedly looks very good.

Did Justin Faulk get traded?

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The question  I have is  how fast on his feet will he be and  would he able to transition to the Canes system   effectively   fast enough to warrant  the teams  hard edge play .   The reason i ask this  question is because there is not a ton of tape on him  in different systems  when playing defense .  Being told   hey we want you to play a 1-3-1    or  we  like you to use a European style trap ,   or another example ,  We need our defense to play   2-2-1  but transition  into a 1-4  when the other team has the puck  is easy to remember but to put it into practice is a whole  another story . 

 

Obviously  these questions  have been answered  if the Canes management  feels comfortable to  hand Priskie   a contract  .   Im sure  even Priskie  knows  he can handle to extra pressure  . The spots are all open for the taking  in training camp  and  that only leaves  7 weeks lefts  until the drop of the puck .    Man  hockey flies  by quickly  when you have a shorten summer ! ! ! 

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37 minutes ago, beboplar said:

Did Justin Faulk get traded?

That's what I get for posting at work. Or projecting. Fixed it. Of course even deeper.

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10 minutes ago, remkin said:

That's what I get for posting at work. Or projecting. Fixed it. Of course even deeper.

On top of those 9, there is the guy they picked up in the de Haan trade (Forsling?).  

 

The signing of Priskie suggests to me that the Canes may not resign Faulk.  There is only so much $$ to go around.  I am sure allocating $$ to Svechnikov is on management's mind, so having an offensive minded RH D man to take over for Faulk at a fraction of the cost must seem appealing.

 

I have been a fan of McKeown since his acquisition from the Kings, so I hope this signing does not affect his status.

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8 minutes ago, beboplar said:

On top of those 9, there is the guy they picked up in the de Haan trade (Forsling?).  

 

The signing of Priskie suggests to me that the Canes may not resign Faulk.  There is only so much $$ to go around.  I am sure allocating $$ to Svechnikov is on management's mind, so having an offensive minded RH D man to take over for Faulk at a fraction of the cost must seem appealing.

 

I have been a fan of McKeown since his acquisition from the Kings, so I hope this signing does not affect his status.

Crud,  you're right. Added him in too. The depth is fairly amazing. I agree about Faulk. Probably TVR too.

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On 8/18/2019 at 12:04 PM, beboplar said:

On top of those 9, there is the guy they picked up in the de Haan trade (Forsling?).  

 

The signing of Priskie suggests to me that the Canes may not resign Faulk.  There is only so much $$ to go around.  I am sure allocating $$ to Svechnikov is on management's mind, so having an offensive minded RH D man to take over for Faulk at a fraction of the cost must seem appealing.

 

I have been a fan of McKeown since his acquisition from the Kings, so I hope this signing does not affect his status.

I still can't believe Faulk has had a job here as long as he has. Though I don't see Priskie making the team this year, I can totally see both the strategic and economic sense of moving Faulk now, while he still has a year on his deal, and slotting McKeown in while Priskie seasons. McKeown has captained teams in the Juniors and now the A to championships. Given the offensive strides both Pesce and Slavin have taken, along with our overall depth at D, I'm having a hard time seeing why we keep trotting out the defensive adventure that is Justin Faulk.

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25 minutes ago, top-shelf-1 said:

I still can't believe Faulk has had a job here as long as he has. Though I don't see Priskie making the team this year, I can totally see both the strategic and economic sense of moving Faulk now, while he still has two years on his deal, and slotting McKeown in while Priskie seasons. McKeown has captained teams in the Juniors and now the A to championships. Given the offensive strides both Pesce and Slavin have taken, along with our overall depth at D, I'm having a hard time seeing why

we keep trotting out the defensive adventure that is Justin Faulk.

I could be wrong (if you go by my wife I haven't been right in a few years), but I believe Faulk is in the final year of his contract.  Management has tried extensively to trade him for a few years now.  With his play last season, I think they will either ride this out or move him at the trade deadline.  My bet would be riding it out and letting him go.  Then again, I am not much at betting.

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I'm having a discussion on another board about McKeown's value.  In terms of draft pick(s), what do you guys think he's realistically worth in today's market? To "bias check" your answer, another way to put it is: what would you give up for him if he was in a different organization and the Canes were really shallow on the right side?

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43 minutes ago, LakeLivin said:

I'm having a discussion on another board about McKeown's value.  In terms of draft pick(s), what do you guys think he's realistically worth in today's market? To "bias check" your answer, another way to put it is: what would you give up for him if he was in a different organization and the Canes were really shallow on the right side?

First of all, he is not currently under contract with the Canes.  He is an RFA, so I am not sure how the collective bargaining agreement works with sign and trades in the NHL.  That said, he is about NHL ready, steady 3rd line RH shooting D man, so he has value.  While I would hope they could get a #2 for him, in the real world probably a #3.  As a value player, this is why I have pushed for his promotion for 2 years and wondered why they resigned TVR.

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