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Looking at the new sweaters again after a few hours, i threw up in my mouth a little again.  I hope they petition a lot of other teams to let them wear black again next year.  These things look worse to me now than they did the first time i looked.

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4 hours ago, Derailed75 said:

Why trade someone everyone else wants? Faulk was beyond good last year and unless you dont think you can off load him for value you keep him. Point blank. The retuen has to be better then what you give up. Dont hold your grudges for his past play against him.

Please define "everyone else"?  They have tried to trade him for a few seasons now, and have found no takers.  That was when he had more time on his contract.  The market place will establish his value, and if the offering price does not exceed his value to the Canes, he shall remain.  Simple Keynesian Economics.

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4 hours ago, beboplar said:

Please define "everyone else"?  They have tried to trade him for a few seasons now, and have found no takers.  That was when he had more time on his contract.  The market place will establish his value, and if the offering price does not exceed his value to the Canes, he shall remain.  Simple Keynesian Economics.

This was going on your comment about his value being high. I know a lot of posters want him gone for 2 reasons the contract Ronnie gave him and his lack luster play under Peters. Well both Ronnie and Peter's are gone and his bad play is too, so why trade a guy playing like he did last year? Now if they think they have no shot to resign him then I get it but me I would be working on his new contract.

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11 hours ago, beboplar said:

"Now" has been the time for about 3 years.

If we could get the Justin who showed up at his best more often than not last year, I'd be fine with keeping him. But he's never been defensively consistent, and with his offense also largely going away, I'm just not seeing the fiscal sense of handing him another $5 million when we have ample (and cheaper) talent that can do a better job on the back end.

 

I agree we'll have to see what happens, but the fiscal and now-available talent similarities between Faulk's situation and Skinner's are noteworthy.

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2 hours ago, Derailed75 said:

This was going on your comment about his value being high. I know a lot of posters want him gone for 2 reasons the contract Ronnie gave him and his lack luster play under Peters. Well both Ronnie and Peter's are gone and his bad play is too, so why trade a guy playing like he did last year? Now if they think they have no shot to resign him then I get it but me I would be working on his new contract.

They talked extension earlier in the summer:

Now those players have been signed.

 

It's clear Faulkers gonna Faulk and non-Faulkers ain't, but if you call two instances of (finally) being in the right place at the right time to bail out his keeper--when Slavin and Pesce have done it routinely over the past three years--and still pinching at the wrong times and chasing the play back to his own end in time to fish the puck out of the goal "beyond good," we have very different ideas about the meaning of that phrase in relation to defensive play. Especially when we're talking about a $5 million-a-year guy. But I'll sign off, lest I be admonished (yet again) for "needing a whipping boy." 

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Trading or not trading Faulk will probable come down to a business decision. With extension talks having gone nowhere and his expiring contract at some point we will need to evaluate both team and player intentions. Having had extension talks indicates Faulk is in our plan but circumstance may change that.

 

Hamiltons performance, Beans progress and the new kids evaluation could play into any decision. I wouldn't look for any move until trade deadline but DW has surprised us before.

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I still think that a Faulk trade could be best timed after the start of the season, but well before the trade deadline. 

 

Problem with trading Faulk now: no one in the huge backlog of D prospects is clearly at least nearly equal to what Faulk brought last year to the top 4. ie, there is a substantial risk that moving Faulk before seeing what that gaggle of players can bring would worsen the team.

 

Problem with trading Faulk at the deadline: We will be in a playoff spot. OK if by some dark, twisted fate, we are out of it, then "duh". But I'm assuming we're in it. If Faulk is still here, then it implies we've either really liked what he brings or we can't get value. BUT ALSO, trading a major piece of your team at the deadline is also risky unless you have a clear cut replacement. Also, his value will be less then. Would a rental Faulk bring back a first rounder? I think anything less than that is not worth the disruption, especially since you can't have too many D for a playoff run.

 

I think we need to see other guys play. Then try to move Faulk if we're convinced that one of the can be a strong #4 D man. I really don't see us keeping him. We have too much defensive prospect depth to pay 4 D men near $5 million per, and whose to say Faulk doesn't want even more. To me Slavin, Pesce, and Hamilton are our core D long term, but one or more of our yutes will join them. 

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51 minutes ago, remkin said:

I still think that a Faulk trade could be best timed after the start of the season, but well before the trade deadline. 

 

Problem with trading Faulk now: no one in the huge backlog of D prospects is clearly at least nearly equal to what Faulk brought last year to the top 4. ie, there is a substantial risk that moving Faulk before seeing what that gaggle of players can bring would worsen the team.

 

Problem with trading Faulk at the deadline: We will be in a playoff spot. OK if by some dark, twisted fate, we are out of it, then "duh". But I'm assuming we're in it. If Faulk is still here, then it implies we've either really liked what he brings or we can't get value. BUT ALSO, trading a major piece of your team at the deadline is also risky unless you have a clear cut replacement. Also, his value will be less then. Would a rental Faulk bring back a first rounder? I think anything less than that is not worth the disruption, especially since you can't have too many D for a playoff run.

 

I think we need to see other guys play. Then try to move Faulk if we're convinced that one of the can be a strong #4 D man. I really don't see us keeping him. We have too much defensive prospect depth to pay 4 D men near $5 million per, and whose to say Faulk doesn't want even more. To me Slavin, Pesce, and Hamilton are our core D long term, but one or more of our yutes will join them. 

I agree with your "problems".  The irony of the situation is that the Canes are so much better than a year ago, not only today but looking forward, that you have to ask yourself what they are looking for in a Faulk trade.  I don't think they pull the trigger on any such transaction until they have a decision from JW.  Should JW decide not to continue playing, then moving Faulk in the preseason for a rugged RW forward would answer the question what to target.  

What it boils down to is a) having a need to trade him for and b) having a trade partner, in need, with the right asset, during the preseason to trade with.

I think if they don't make that trade by opening night they will just ride it out and let him sail away at season's end.  When I consider them trading him at the deadline, I come up with the same logic as you as to why NOT to.  He is a valuable asset both on and off the ice for the Canes, but not some one I expect them to throw money at when the contract is done, because of their depth and need to pay others (especially Svech).

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17 hours ago, Bonivan said:

Found this one on Facebook

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Modify the "J" into a hockey stick and I think this one is a winner.

You don't see the original 6 playing around with their sweaters much, do you?  How much $ to they need to make off of shirts each year to warrant new designs?

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 To be honest while we should always be open to try to upgrade it every position, we’re pretty well set it forward right now especially if Williams comes back. 

 

 Of course I think Necas will prove Hard to keep off the team. If that is true, then especially if Williams comes back we are stacked it forward. In that case the only thing that would make sense would be to trade Faulk for futures. But it better include at least a first rounder or it’s not worth doing. Especially if we think it will weaken the team this year.

 

So we need to see what Williams does and we need to see what both the defense and the forwards look like in camp.

 

 

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I really thought Faulk had a pretty good year last year. He does make some mistakes on defense, but he does have a good shot, and is an offensive threat, and besides Hamilton, we don't really have too much offense on the back end. If he can be extended at a reasonable price and term, I'd be fine with that. A good price and term could make him more attractive to a trading partner, at some point.

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New sweaters again huh? Dundon would have them play in all pink if he could sell 50,000 of them. You hurt your own identity with the constant changing. Take a note from the original 6 on mucking (I have a better word to use) with ‘new looks.’

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16 hours ago, JonKerfoot said:

 

I'm pretty "meh" about the new whites.

 

I still don't understand why they made the lettering red, then put red-and-black flags on the "C". The red outer part of the flags blends into the letter and the optical effect is lost.

 

Now, if they made the letters black with a silver border....

I just can't get used to those big red block letters.  I'm usually not a complainer on Jerseys, but man I'm just a little embarrassed of these things.  
We will see what they look like on the ice.  

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XM Boomer had many unkind things to say about the jerseys, yesterday.  He usually sticks up for us.  Not on this decision.

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5 hours ago, beboplar said:

Modify the "J" into a hockey stick and I think this one is a winner.

You don't see the original 6 playing around with their sweaters much, do you?  How much $ to they need to make off of shirts each year to warrant new designs?

 

Or, I wonder what it would look like if they used black for the JERK lettering and hung a couple small hurricane flags off the J? 

 

I know they wouldn't do either for a regular or alternate jersey, but it could be cool for a theme night.  I bet they could raise some nice coin for charity by selling off the game worn jerseys.

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On 8/21/2019 at 11:32 AM, beboplar said:

Modify the "J" into a hockey stick and I think this one is a winner.

You don't see the original 6 playing around with their sweaters much, do you?  How much $ to they need to make off of shirts each year to warrant new designs?

 

I like the idea of a "JERKS" themed jersey but I'm not too high on diagonal letters.  And then I though of this solution:

 

 

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Sometimes I'm so smart I scare myself!  :shock:

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I like the new uniforms . It's different   with the whole word mark  " Canes "    but  it's alright .   I do  wonder if  because there were no good submissions  for a new logo   that Dundon did not like   that  he thought  why not just use a word Mark instead ? 

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11 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

It's clear Faulkers gonna Faulk and non-Faulkers ain't

 

I don't think so Top.  I think the board agrees way more than disagrees.  I highly doubt anyone here who has been paying attention expects the team to pay Faulk what he likely will be asking on his next deal.  I expect him to be moved, but not now.  Maybe that's a poor decision, time will tell.  But I can't see any argument that suggests the team has someone who can take that spot now, in the system.  That's the reality of the Dehaan trade.

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Tt-Aho-Nino

Huala-Staal-Svech

Dzingle-Martinook-McGinn

McLovin- Wallmark-Gauthier.

 

As of right now I think this is the ideal lineup. Gauthier can bring in more grit.  I think he has the body and ability to contribute now.  Necas first call up.  Thoughts on the forward lines so far?

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44 minutes ago, bluedevil58 said:

Tt-Aho-Nino

Huala-Staal-Svech

Dzingle-Martinook-McGinn

McLovin- Wallmark-Gauthier.

 

As of right now I think this is the ideal lineup. Gauthier can bring in more grit.  I think he has the body and ability to contribute now.  Necas first call up.  Thoughts on the forward lines so far?

 

 

I apparently missed a nickname being given out, but who the heck is 'McLovin'?

 

re Gauthier:  I've seen absolutely nothing in his game that tells me he's ready for the NHL.  Maybe he is, but based on last season anyway, i'm not seeing it.  You want a Checker to provide grit to the Hurricanes' 4th line, i'll take Bishop every day of the week and twice on Thursdays over Gauthier.

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2 hours ago, bluedevil58 said:

Tt-Aho-Nino

Huala-Staal-Svech

Dzingle-Martinook-McGinn

McLovin- Wallmark-Gauthier.

 

As of right now I think this is the ideal lineup. Gauthier can bring in more grit.  I think he has the body and ability to contribute now.  Necas first call up.  Thoughts on the forward lines so far?

 

Foegele, Williams, Necas?

 

Svech / Aho / TT

Nino / Staal / Willaims

Dzingle / Haula / Necas

Foegele / Martinook / McGinn

 

if Williams doesn't sign:

 

Svech / Aho / TT

Foegele / Staal / Nino

Dzingle / Haula / Necas

Martinook / Wallmark / McGinn

 

Necas would really have to lay an egg not to make the team.  Brindy said the only reason he sent him down last year is he didn't want two teenagers out there.

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50 minutes ago, realmdrakkar said:

 

 

I apparently missed a nickname being given out, but who the heck is 'McLovin'?

 

re Gauthier:  I've seen absolutely nothing in his game that tells me he's ready for the NHL.  Maybe he is, but based on last season anyway, i'm not seeing it.  You want a Checker to provide grit to the Hurricanes' 4th line, i'll take Bishop every day of the week and twice on Thursdays over Gauthier.

 

https://youtu.be/0F4b_VZnd2w

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1 hour ago, cclifford10 said:

Brindy said the only reason he sent him down last year is he didn't want two teenagers out there.

He was being diplomatic.

 

Necas got laid out several times and tried some cutesy moves through the neutral zone that didn't play at this level. I'm hoping he's put some meat on his @$$ and will get another year in the A to learn what to do with it, and maybe to be Captain down there, now that they need one.

 

I love all the enthusiasm for him, I really do. I just don't see any need to rush this kid. He didn't play in a stellar league in Europe, and it showed in the few games he played before being sent down last year. Why not let him dominate in the A? Being able to wait until prospects are beating down the door is the whole point of building depth. At 20, another year in CLT is no big deal.

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2 hours ago, coastal_caniac said:

 

I don't think so Top.  I think the board agrees way more than disagrees.  I highly doubt anyone here who has been paying attention expects the team to pay Faulk what he likely will be asking on his next deal.  I expect him to be moved, but not now.  Maybe that's a poor decision, time will tell.  But I can't see any argument that suggests the team has someone who can take that spot now, in the system.  That's the reality of the Dehaan trade.

I don't think so, I think it was a salary dump, pure and simple, on a guy who may or may not be back before Christmas. But it's okay to disagree.

 

IMO, McKeown could suit up tomorrow and give this team more D than Justin and just as many minutes, at half the price. I wish we could have moved Faulk last off-season, so McKeown would already have a year in the NHL under his belt. But if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.;)

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1 hour ago, cclifford10 said:

Svech / Aho / TT

Nino / Staal / Willaims

Dzingle / Haula / Necas

Foegele / Martinook / McGinn

 

Funny I was thinking of lines while driving today and those were the exact lines I came up with.  I'm backing off Necas as a forgone conclusion if Williams comes back because there are just too few chairs when the music stops. We could trade McGinn or Martinook, but they are physical and heart and soul guys, and after losing Ferland and DeHaan, I don't see it. Wallmark maybe, but Martinook is not a natural center, and it would be interesting to see if Wallmark could take a step up in productivity as a non rookie. 

 

But I love the idea of those lines. 

 

Svech/Aho/TT has the potential to rival the very best lines in the NHL. If not this year, then soon. 

Nino/Staal/Williams has the veteran guile and tricks.

And

Dzingle/Huala/Necas could just flat out fly. Haula and Necas making plays and Dzingle finishing. Could be the fastest line in the NHL.

 

And Foegele/Martinook/McGinn can lay the hits, but could score a lot for a 4th line, and all three can move up the lineup. The only thing would be what to do with Walmark and maybe Maenalanen. Still, if Necas is ready and Svech takes the step I think he will? I like those lines.

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