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Who’s on the UFA list for scorers that we could REALISTICALLY make a pass at (and don’t say Panarin)?

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I doubt we run at any of them. Being at an expected 70 million without a major add, I dont see us adding that much.  Trades is where we’ll be more than likely.

 

If we were to go get someone, I would hope its Pavelski.  It wont be. I don’t see us wooing him or spending 22+ million for 3 centers.  

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We have to make sure to get Hamilton signed too (the pig I mean). Gonna miss seeing that little dude every other day on TV.

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8 minutes ago, gocanes0506 said:

Ferland basically saying goodbye on instagram this morning. Not surprised.  Let some other team overpay for him.

Booooooo

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9 minutes ago, sleekfeeder said:

Booooooo

After the rumored more than Wilson money, he wasn’t coming back.  We have enough guys that are going to make a small fraction of what he makes that could be physical and score at least 15.

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Ferland was looking out for himself/contract and that's smart for him I guess but he let a lot of people down in the process. So, I'm over him and he didn't deserve to skate in the 3rd round. I would have much rathered a devoted Checker get that ice time.

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Curious as to what may happen with Fleury after getting stapled to the bench in the playoffs. 

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3 minutes ago, super_dave_1 said:

Curious as to what may happen with Fluery after getting stapled to the bench in the playoffs. 

With TVR out and CDH possibly out, it’ll be interesting to see what we do for defense in October.

 

May have to keep Fleury or add at least one veteran on a one year deal to have  a decent defense early.  Trades affecting that comment, obviously.

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Heck of a season . . . kudos to Todd, Don, Rod, Justin, and the rest of the guys for making us dream again.

 

So much of what was missing over the last nine years has been realized—work ethic, physicality, sheer determination, etc. In the end, we lost to a more talented team. If we are going to compete this way year-in and year-out—and perhaps win another Cup—we are going to need more talent, especially at forward. We scored only five goals against Boston in four games. We have too many players who are inconsistent. They might have a great night or two, but then they disappear for five games. We need a couple of veteran forwards who are consistent threats and won't disappear for long periods. 

 

Fix the goalie situation. Sign Aho. But PLEEEASE get a couple more talented players at forward.   

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Carolina Pending Free Agents

Justin Williams
Micheal Ferland
Petr Mrazek
Curtis McElhinney
Greg McKegg
Patrick Brown

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Carolina 2019 RFA
Sebastian Aho
Haydn Fleury
Saku Maenalanen
Brock McGinn


Charlotte 2019 RFA
Alex Nedeljkovic
Roland McKeown
Clark Bishop
Josh Wesley
Trevor Carrick

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27 minutes ago, OBXer said:

Carolina 2019 RFA
Sebastian Aho- duh...7x$8.5M
Haydn Fleury- is dangle him as trade bait first...he’s paid his dues here but with the logjam and his lack of scoring, it’s just not working.  I’d love to see him catch on somewhere else...preferably out west.
Saku Maenalanen- 4x$3M
Brock McGinn- 3-4x$2.5M


Charlotte 2019 RFA
Alex Nedeljkovic- yes
Roland McKeown
Clark Bishop
Josh Wesley
Trevor Carrick

 

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4 x 3 million for a guy who scored 4 goals on the year?  Even if you pro-rate his goals out for an entire season he would have 9 goals.  We have enough checkers who can do that for 700-900k.  

 

Heck we paid Martinook less and he scored 15.  

 

If we keep him, pay him another 1 year deal.  Give him a small raise, maybe.

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Ferland didn't do much the second half of the season. I think having Martinook out hurt the team more than having Ferland out. Ferland did play well early in the year, but when his game started going down hill, it went fast. If he was to stay, he should get no more than 4th line money, and we could get a 4th liner that would work a lot harder than he did at the end. He was useless when he got back in the line up.

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58 minutes ago, gocanes0506 said:

4 x 3 million for a guy who scored 4 goals on the year?  Even if you pro-rate his goals out for an entire season he would have 9 goals.  We have enough checkers who can do that for 700-900k.  

 

Heck we paid Martinook less and he scored 15.  

 

If we keep him, pay him another 1 year deal.  Give him a small raise, maybe.

I have a hunch Saku is on his way up...

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2 hours ago, OBXer said:

Carolina Pending Free Agents

Justin Williams- 1-2x$3M
Micheal Ferland- ciao
Petr Mrazek- 4x$4M...still having bad taste due to Mongo
Curtis McElhinney- 1-2x$1.5M...even if Ned is ready, he’s an awesome insurance policy 
Greg McKegg- thanks, but see ya
Patrick Brown- sayonara 

 

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Lots of thought in this arena. I want to start in goal, because it seems to be it's own thing, and because it's the most liquid and volatile and important all at the same time. And because it's the area I just can't quite get my brain around until we have a truly dominant #1. 

 

I had assumed that re-signing Mrazek was almost a given. But listening to Forslund on the aftermath? Not so fast. 

 

Mrazek's problem was the old hot and cold thing, and the fact that this team was a bit hot and cold on defensive shut down. Mrazek's hot was extremely good and got us into the playoffs and through the first two rounds. This should be weighed heavily for sure. After all, it was a team let down vs the Bruins and he was post injury. But the fact still remains that he ended up #16/17 goalies in save percentage in the playoffs that played at least 4 games and #15/15 who played at least 5 games and #20 out of 46 in the regular season with at least 30 games. 

 

He did come on strong at the end, but over the year, he was average. It's been a while since we've seen average, but in order to see him as a long term #1, we have to project his run after Christmas, but before this last series. This is not necessarily wrong to do, just that it carries some risk if there is a better option. 

 

McE was about the same, but much more steady. Still, the man will be 36 in a few days. 

 

This will be interesting to see play out, but also hugely important. If we can upgrade here along with up front, we can compete with the best. But if the upgrade ends up being a downgrade, we won't. 

 

Also, Ned is close if not ready. But I can't help but hold my breath if Ned/Mrazek is the plan. John mentioned and outside chance that maybe McE would sign to be part of a three goalie thing in case Ned or Mrazek struggle, but is McE ready to go there? 

 

One more thing is that Mrazek is a UFA. What price will he command? What term? We are still paying Mongo. Last thing we need is to be paying two goalies that don't play if Mrazek gets term and falls back.

 

Lastly, and this is probably splitting hairs, but one of the nice things about the Mrazek-McE combo was their different styles. Mrazek and Ned seem very similar as smaller, aggressive, athletic goalies. 

 

I don't know what goalie in trade or UFA would be worth trying to upgrade yet. But if one becomes available, it is still possible we move entirely away from both goalies next year. For what it's worth, Forslund seemed to have some reservations about Mrazek and especially with Ned as the back up.

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I will go into my thoughts on individual players in another post, but I think that the main need is overlapping: skill at forward: better powerplay (and PK). 

 

We ended the playoffs with a 9.6% conversion, #14/16 and the other two exited early. Boston ended the Eastern Conference run at 34%. Pretty much the end of the story. 

 

I loved Forslund's breakdown, and I agree. On top of whatever other moves we might make for more thump, and maybe goaltending, if we upgrade in the three positions Forslund pointed out for our PP, it will, by definition upgrade our forward skill. 

 

1. PP QB. This is usually a D man. This suggests that we shuffle D men. Fox would have been this guy IMO. I remember back when we briefly had John Micheal Lisles doing that, and our PP bumped up instantly for a while. This might mean a D for D move since Fox is out. I don't know if Bean is there or ready to be that guy. Again, to keep lamenting the Fox thing, but he could have filled that and freed up a RHD for one of our other needs trade. Arrrrgggggh, just gotta let that go. 

 

2. Distributor. This is where I think we need a 2C. OK there I said it. Despite his paycheck Jordan needs to be the 3C and maybe not even on the PP, but definitely not the first unit. This guy needs to be Mr Hands. Obviously not stone hands. If we get a high end playmaking 2C, this rockets us up.

 

3. Finisher. The guy with the NHL shot from the wing. 

 

I don't know if we can get all three of these fixed, but if we can, and bring up Necas, while Svech also matures, we are golden. 

 

If I were going for two, I'd do 1 and 2 as Svech could be the finisher pretty soon. 

 

So at the least: get a legit playmaking 2C, and a PP QB offensive D man. Bring up Necas at least, and then fine tune. (Edit, if we do not bring back J Willy, then we need all three IMO).

 

 

I'd also point out that I think Foegele will continue to rise. McGinn, Maelenanen, Wallmark, McKegg are all replaceable IMO. I don't replace them all, but upgrades will push at least some out.

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Rem, 

Wholeheartedly agree on Jordo...it’s pretty evident when he’s gone half the season and we don’t even miss him.  I’m fine with keeping him, but if we can trade and upgrade, go for it.

Brock has the physicality we still need, especially with Ferland leaving.  Definitely keep him.  

Something tells me Saku has another level that could come into play soon.  I get the consternation that he didn’t put up points, but there’s other intangibles I saw this season that shows there’s something else.  

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30 minutes ago, AWACSooner said:

Rem, 

Wholeheartedly agree on Jordo...it’s pretty evident when he’s gone half the season and we don’t even miss him.  I’m fine with keeping him, but if we can trade and upgrade, go for it.

Brock has the physicality we still need, especially with Ferland leaving.  Definitely keep him.  

Something tells me Saku has another level that could come into play soon.  I get the consternation that he didn’t put up points, but there’s other intangibles I saw this season that shows there’s something else.  

I think Jordan is part of why we dominate 5 on 5. Brind'Amour has said over and over that he thinks he's the best forward on the team, and that people just don't get how good he is. Jordan seemed to be coming on for a while there, but like the whole team just faced too much this series. 

 

But he is not really a PP specialist. Guys want to be on the PP. So it's tough, but if we could add another higher end center, in the classic soft, quick hands distributor model, Jordan could be a very highly paid 3C. He'd be among the highest paid 3C's but also perhaps the best. 

 

I'd like to imagine Necas there, but I think it's too much to ask right now. I want to add Necas flying down the ice driving the D back, but this is a different role. These guys are too high end, but I think of Claude Giroux, Nick Backstrom, etc. But a level down. (Another guy who was out there and could have helped here and checks other grit boxes was Ryan O'Reilly). These guys are not available, but to me a lower level version of them would make us rock down the middle and bump the PP.  Others may know of a good target for this type of player. 

 

On Saiku, I think the team needs to fill roles too. We need a 4th line that doesn't make a ton of money and there are only so many slots out there. 

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Top 5 available UFAs in PP goals scored
Pavelski 12
J. Williams 9
Skinner 8
Eberle 7
Duchene, Ferland, & Panarin 6

Top 5 in assists
Panarin 12
Zuccarello 12
Nyquist 10
Pavelski 9
Skinner & Duchene 8

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9 hours ago, caniac6 said:

Ferland didn't do much the second half of the season. I think having Martinook out hurt the team more than having Ferland out. Ferland did play well early in the year, but when his game started going down hill, it went fast. If he was to stay, he should get no more than 4th line money, and we could get a 4th liner that would work a lot harder than he did at the end. He was useless when he got back in the line up.

Ferland stopped scoring as soon as he came off a line with 2 elite playmakers, Aho and Turbo. I did like his physicality, but it seemed like he was about as likely to get hurt as whoever he hit when he really laid one on. Doesn’t seem the Canes are intent on keeping him. It will be interesting to see what the market for him is come July 1st. I’m glad we had him this year though.

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