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32 minutes ago, Bonivan said:

Nhl.com states that Canes remaining schedule us the toughest https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-fantasy-hockey-strength-of-schedule-remaining-games-2019-20/c-305362652 based on opponents' point percentage

Apparently AWACS, you and i share this fear, and I only take some semblance of positivity from the fact that we seem to have played better against tougher opponents?

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4 minutes ago, KJUNKANE said:

Apparently AWACS, you and i share this fear, and I only take some semblance of positivity from the fact that we seem to have played better against tougher opponents?

I just hope the past two games aren’t reflective of us running out of gas and just a blip

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Hamilton is tied for the league lead in +/- at +29, and Slavin is tied for third at +26.

 

Nice.

 

Meanwhile Hanifin has 9 points in 40 games and is -19. De Haan is out for the year. Skinner was on pace for about 40 points this year (9 million per year not looking too good right now) before he got hurt again. He is -9. Faulk has 12 points on the season and an even rating on one of the best teams in the NHL.

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58 minutes ago, Kyrule said:

Hamilton is tied for the league lead in +/- at +29, and Slavin is tied for third at +26.

 

Nice.

 

Meanwhile Hanifin has 9 points in 40 games and is -19. De Haan is out for the year. Skinner was on pace for about 40 points this year (9 million per year not looking too good right now) before he got hurt again. He is -9. Faulk has 12 points on the season and an even rating on one of the best teams in the NHL.

Trades have seemed to work out. Lindholm is on a .75 ppg pace and minus rated.  His shooting percentage is higher than last season though.

 

we still need a righty that can take face-offs and the crutch that is J Staal removed from Brindy. The team took off once the crutch was removed last season and it needs to happen again.  Staal needs to be moved down in the lineup and given less offensive ice time.  He should be centering McGinn and Marty right now playing defensive : PK minutes.  It won’t happen though.  It especially wont happen with him just getting the C.  
 

also with Haula’s line back and clicking we should consider making the SAT line a thing again.  A Wallmark, Nino, Foegele line wouldn’t be a terrible thing. 

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As much as it is an eye sore to see Staal on the ice  trying to make a pass or shoot the puck  or let alone reach for a puck   and miss it ,  or handle the puck   or how annoying it is to see him on the power play  and     Despite all his flaws  ,  He is still getting points  and  he still kills penalties  and he still wins face offs .   If the day came where he stopped   doing  all the positives i mentioned  then yes   it's possible to maybe then move him down  a line  but until that day comes   i dont think it would be a wise move to send him down to the 3rd line  given  how it could look bad for the teams captain to be placed on a 3rd line  and maybe hurt team moral .   If anything you  just hope he gets better at making more use of his limited offense that helps produce more points .  

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That win last night really picked up my spirits. We moved into the first WC and are a point behind Metro 3 and 2 points behind Metro 2 (if one looks away from those pesky magic beans). But more importantly we got to a much better semblance of our A game to start out a massive home game stand. We do play some tough teams in this stand, but last night was the first of 7 straight home games with a quick two road game swing and back to 5 more at home.

 

This team is 11-6-0 at home and they don't seem to care that a given team they're playing is supposed to be really good. This is the good part of the schedule. OK the downside is that we have a brutal March. Basically insane. I don't know what other teams have, but looking at March it feels like there should be some sort of investigation of the schedule maker. Every weekend is a back to back, and every Tuesday (except the first one) is a 3rd in 4 nights. We don't have two days in a row off after March 5. So, we really do need to make some hay starting now.

 

But I think we can. We have more scoring depth than a line up of rock stars. We have a near Norris offensive D man and a near Norris balanced D man. Our goaltending, while not league-leading, is mostly solid. If this team can tighten the D and Neutral zones even a little, we will score enough to win.

 

At first I was a little surprised that Brind'Amour took the "it was really only one bad period" approach to the 3 game losing streak. But he does seem to be able to reel the guys back in after some down games, and winning last night still leaves us 7-3-1 in our last 11 games including those losses and a brutal Western Canadian road trip. Brindy stays positive. And it has always worked. (I'm sure there is some negative reinforcement behind closed doors, but publicly hugely positive overall). 

 

I like us to go on a run to Metro 2 by the end of January, but given Pittsburgh's otherworldly run without Crosby, I'll take Metro 3. But, as others have pointed out, the main thing is that the line between WC2 and out widens because winter is coming, and for us, that's March.

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I wonder if Tommy D finds a way to move Jordan in the offseason and try to resign Haula as the 2C? One could look at this roster and pontificate that Wallmark's development has him fully capable of taking on the 3C role, and at far less dollars. Food for thought.

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44 minutes ago, sleekfeeder said:

I wonder if Tommy D finds a way to move Jordan in the offseason and try to resign Haula as the 2C? One could look at this roster and pontificate that Wallmark's development has him fully capable of taking on the 3C role, and at far less dollars. Food for thought.

I don’t see making a guy the Captain one season, him waiving his NMC and traded in the offseason.

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Is there any precedent in the NHL for a player taking a pay cut to stay with his team? Veterans in the NBA have started to do that. Jordan seems like the perfect candidate for that if he wants to remain a part of Canes playoff contending teams. But I'm not even ready to give up on him like that. He came back from his injury-shortened regular season last year to be one of our best and most clutch players in the playoffs. 

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1 hour ago, sleekfeeder said:

I wonder if Tommy D finds a way to move Jordan in the offseason and try to resign Haula as the 2C? One could look at this roster and pontificate that Wallmark's development has him fully capable of taking on the 3C role, and at far less dollars. Food for thought.

 

I think we need to keep in mind that Haula is a free agent and hasn't yet signed while Staal is signed for another three years. I often use the old 1-2-3 line identifier but the way we use lines it is more defined by role. Aho and Haula line are scoring lines and Js line is more the heavy lifting checking line that can score. I don't think we should underestimate what J brings to the team. IAre you suggesting Haula replaces J ? He is already on a scoring line. I have no doubt Wallmark brings a lot to the team. I suppose he could replace J.

 

We list the Staal line as 1, the Aho line as 2 and the Haula line as 3. 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, OBXer said:

 

I think we need to keep in mind that Haula is a free agent and hasn't yet signed while Staal is signed for another three years. I often use the old 1-2-3 line identifier but the way we use lines it is more defined by role. Aho and Haula line are scoring lines and Js line is more the heavy lifting checking line that can score. I don't think we should underestimate what J brings to the team. IAre you suggesting Haula replaces J ? He is already on a scoring line. I have no doubt Wallmark brings a lot to the team. I suppose he could replace J.

 

We list the Staal line as 1, the Aho line as 2 and the Haula line as 3. 

 

 

 

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It's complicated. I'm suggesting that Wallmark could "possibly" replace him in terms of some of his attributes (certainly point output and faceoffs). Probably not the shutdown skills. 

It's difficult to assign monetary value to intangibles. Now say his +/- goes in the tank. Then what? I'm just looking at a prototypical (or at least what used to be) NHL 1,2,3,4 line construction, and duties. Typically yes, lines 1 & 2 are scoring lines. He is not that. With that being said, Haula probably moves on and Necas becomes the #2 "scoring" Center, and my silly little blurb matters not.

 

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2 minutes ago, sleekfeeder said:

And my silly little blurb matters not.

 

Nothing silly about it at all. I play the what if games all the time. Necas is a interesting insertion into the conversation. I like you think he is destined to be a center on a scoring line but also wonder if Brindy will make that move before Necas has another couple of seasons under his belt. Staal is trade-able. I would think there are plenty of teams that would want the depth he brings to the lineup. 6 mil a year isn't outlandish anymore.  The no-trade could be a problem.

 

I don't see it yet but maybe

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Teams who might want Staal are probably contenders who see the need for a shut-down/PK specialist. Rebuilding teams want to invest $6 million per year in dynamic scoring players. So which teams who maybe see a center with Jordan’s skill set as a last necessary piece to make it to the top have cap room or the desire to pay $6 million per year for Staal. Not many. And there is the matter of Rod’s stated belief that Jordan is a key component of the team’s success. I’d be surprised if Jordan goes anywhere for the next 2 years. Maybe nearer the end of his contract as more of our prospects are ready, we could move him by retaining some salary, but there is the matter of his NMC. I’m not as down on Jordan as some, but if nothing else, the contract JR gave him is a cautionary tale for trade targets or UFAs we look at who want 8 years to sign. A lot can change in 8 years, and not just for Jordan Staal.

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14 hours ago, OBXer said:

We list the Staal line as 1, the Aho line as 2 and the Haula line as 3. 

This part of the "we" sure doesn't see them that way, and is pretty sure Roddy doesn't, either.

 

What Staal brings is intangible and has value, particularly on the PK, but he's aging, showing it, and Wally is fast positioning himself as our next defensively responsible center. I wish we'd have moved Jordo a couple of years ago when his deal looked much better to potential trading partners, but unfortunately we had both an owner and a GM who were incapable of making difficult but crucial decisions.

 

I don't think getting the C makes moving him unlikely at all. It sure didn't stop us from stripping him of it to give it to Willy. I can see him being moved this offseason to make cap space for Haula, even if we had to retain up to half his salary, and if anything, the C makes him more attractive to a young team looking for a vet to show its kids the right way. We'd simply thank Jordo for doing that here before ushering him out, then open the captaincy to Slavin or Marty (i.e., the future, instead of the past).

 

As for his NMC, that is easily overcome. If he balks at being moved, we'll just send Erik "the Ambassador" Cole to badmouth him on the radio...

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5 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

This part of the "we" sure doesn't see them that way, and is pretty sure Roddy doesn't, either.

 

I think that was my point. When we refer to our 1st second and third lines they don't match up with how we use them. So the reference of Wallmark centering the third line was probable meant to reference the Staal line. Our lines in spite of how they are listed are used more situational but still with that old 1,2,3,4 line function. 

 

I'm not an advocate of trading Staal but understand why other might be. My point was he is trade-able if that was a direction.See what the off season brings

 

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As for his NMC, that is easily overcome. If he balks at being moved, we'll just send Erik "the Ambassador" Cole to badmouth him on the radio..

 

 

Everyone needs a purpose in life :o

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For what it's worth ESPN has a few mentions of the Canes today. 

 

1 Svech is the first player listed as getting the all star snub.

2 Since Jan 1st 2019 the Canes have the second best record in the league. No mention of how tonight may effect that or who is in first

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16 minutes ago, Derailed75 said:

For what it's worth ESPN has a few mentions of the Canes today. 

 

1 Svech is the first player listed as getting the all star snub.

2 Since Jan 1st 2019 the Canes have the second best record in the league. No mention of how tonight may effect that or who is in first

Gotta think the team with the second best record over that period ranks more than one All Star.

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1 hour ago, remkin said:

Gotta think the team with the second best record over that period ranks more than one All Star.

but,... fans of other teams allowed/encouraged to vote up to 10x a day didn't agree

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34 minutes ago, Whaler1 said:

but,... fans of other teams allowed/encouraged to vote up to 10x a day didn't agree

 

I'm surprised Aho's not going and like someone said, I'm surprised Svech is not going.  Heck, I'm surprised Hamilton got the only all-star nod (Teuvo last man in).

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1 hour ago, Sportsfan-1-2 said:

 

I'm surprised Aho's not going and like someone said, I'm surprised Svech is not going.  Heck, I'm surprised Hamilton got the only all-star nod (Teuvo last man in).

I think if Aho didn’t have his typical opening slump or Svech wasn’t put on a line with the black hole, they would have more consideration 

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