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4 hours ago, wxray1 said:

The update from the morning XM guys yesterday mentioned exactly the things you mention.  The scuttlebutt is that the players are pushing back.  I'm about to turn on this morning's show for the latest.

 

 

I hope the players keep pushing back.   There is no reason why the season can't just end here.   So what if there is no cup and no awards and no whatever.   The owners - the players - and the executive staffs I am sure have enough money that they are not going to get hurt by not playing.   If there are going to be games without fans what's the point?  I think we have the lottery for the draft based on the standings when they stopped playing and call it even.   Under the current situation this seems fair to me.  To try getting back to some kind of "normal" is kind of silly at this point.  Sometimes complicated is best dealt with by keeping it simple.  

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I can't pretend to know what the league wants, but the league trying to get the players to be the ones to cancel the season so they can get out of paying the remaining 1/8th of their salaries wouldn't surprise me.

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32 minutes ago, remkin said:

Protecting nursing homes is a legit criticism IMO.

Unfortunately - the level of competence and care in nursing homes varies widely. Those on the low end of the spectrum are at risk every day of issues like this.  I have 2 family members that work in or care for people who were either in or in and out of these facilities. One had a major outbreak. It was poorly managed and administered. Dozens died and over half the population got infected including many staff. It’s a sad truth.

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So this morning's news from XM was: not much.  Apparently the Board of Governors met yesterday and have been in talks with the commish and player get-to-work committee.  Some sort of outline or summary is hopefully going to come out soon, but they've not announced if they will even have an announcement.  Sounds like our bosses at work: "I need a plan for a plan!"  They are at that stage still.

 

Donnie Waddell was interviewed.  It was a nice talk.  Not much substance of anything new.  We've heard most before, including how he came to get the GM job, a retrospective on the great play of the whole team during the Ayres era, etc.

 

Maybe the one new tidbit is that Raleigh is NOT out the running to become a regional play hub, should they do that for the playoffs.  He says the two sheets of practice ice are on schedule for July 1.  He also said the RDU area is one of the lessor hit areas from the virus, and then the next guy they interviewed was some color commentator guy from the Northeast and he seemed a bit prickly about "other areas opening up too fast."  Not sure if he was pointing at DWs comments or not.  So, they couldn't even avoid the same sort of discussion we're having here, even if it was side comments.

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The search for 'normal' continues..

 

Scientists have identified 14 separate strains of SARS-COV-2, which have been competing against each other, allowing the most infectious strain (which is not the original Wuhan version of COVID-19) to become the most prevalent in Europe and the US. 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original

 

Research shows that SARS-COV-2 is not limited to the respiratory system, and can 'hide out' in the intestines of seemingly healthy people.  Nowhere near as dangerous a vector, but important to identify before declaring someone as recovered.

https://scitechdaily.com/coronavirus-sars-cov-2-infects-cells-of-the-intestine-and-multiplies-there/ 

 

Brazil is now the epicenter of the pandemic worldwide, with leadership that discounts the danger and a populace that has no option for social distancing.  Any hope that 'warm weather will make it go away' has been doused, the country has averaged temperatures above 80 as the virus spread.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-sweeps-across-brazil-a-land-ill-equipped-to-fight-it-11588603847?mod=e2tw

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4 hours ago, legend-1 said:

I can't pretend to know what the league wants, but the league trying to get the players to be the ones to cancel the season so they can get out of paying the remaining 1/8th of their salaries wouldn't surprise me.

That makes sense. I can’t imagine that most of the players fans really want to see, the ones who generally make the most money, want to go through a lockdown and isolation for up to 3 months to play games in empty stadiums. And it is different to be locked down in your home, which still sucks, than in a hotel someplace, which sucks a lot worse. Also, if the NFL and colleges do play this fall, outside of Canada, TV only hockey is going to struggle for viewers. I just don’t see how there is enough to gain for further play this year to make sense.

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As Georgia and other states rush to reopen, some out-of-the way places might believe that the virus won’t find them. Many here thought that, too. But it arrived, quietly at first then with breathtaking savagery.

 

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Im looking forward to traveling to the Farmers Market Saturday. My 1st trip to Raleigh since all this exploded.

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The thing I'm wondering about is why someone insists on making this a political forum.

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7 minutes ago, wxray1 said:

The thing I'm wondering about is why someone insists on making this a political forum.

How it is "political" to post a fact-checked, corroborated report that the country's leadership suppressed ITS OWN public health agency's recommendations to slow down, at the exact time that leadership is also saying it's important to open up quickly?

 

It's not political, xray. It's just the truth.

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2 hours ago, top-shelf-1 said:

How it is "political" to post a fact-checked, corroborated report that the country's leadership suppressed ITS OWN public health agency's recommendations to slow down, at the exact time that leadership is also saying it's important to open up quickly?

 

It's not political, xray. It's just the truth.

This is a forum about hockey. To the extent COVID related stuff affects playing hockey, it’s relevant. But opinions about politicians are not relevant to hockey. And you keep posting them. I’m not going to stray into opinions about any politician, but I will just say the CDC is only looking at public health consequences of COVID. That’s it’s mission. So if that’s the only consideration, then no question we stay shut down for a long time. And in a vacuum, that’s obviously what we should do. But the economy is already wrecked, and the federal government printing more money to bail out businesses and people has negative long-term consequences. We are already seeing meat shortages, and how long will it be before that carries over to other staples? I’m pretty sure we are already looking at a serious recession if we gradually reopen the economy now. If we keep doing what we’ve been doing for months on end, we may be looking at a depression the likes of which no living person has seen. And there are public health consequences to that too. So without bashing one party or one politician, I’d just say decisions about where we go from here have to balance public health and economic concerns.

 

I do agree with you though, that sports are pretty insignificant right now and the NHL should just pull the plug on 2019-20. Hopefully there can be a 2020-21 season, and they should concentrate on making that happen.

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6 hours ago, bluedevilcane said:

But opinions about politicians are not relevant to hockey. And you keep posting them.

In case you haven't noticed, politicians are the ones making decisions about how fast and when to reopen. Our own Governor is pushing forward with Phase One reopening, despite the today's highest-ever case count in the state. That is an incremental and justifiably questionable step toward a return to "normal," including toward the return of hockey.

 

It's tempting to pretend that politics and the pandemic are unrelated, but that's all it is: pretending. And doing so can be as dangerous--maybe more dangerous--than the virus. If you disagree, ask any Michigan senator how they felt about having people with assault rifles in the balcony of their chamber, and then think about what prompted it. No president of any party should foment violent dissent, and if my saying so makes you uncomfortable, there's an ignore button.

 

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J Willys probably at home resting a beer on his new gut In front of his 85” LG wearing a Dago T with a spilled pack of Bon Bons on the sofa enjoying his new life. 

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21 minutes ago, top-shelf-1 said:

 

It's tempting to pretend that politics and the pandemic are unrelated, but that's all it is: pretending. And doing so can be as dangerous--maybe more dangerous--than the virus. If you disagree, ask any Michigan senator how they felt about having people with assault rifles in the balcony of their chamber, and then think about what prompted it. No president of any party should foment violent dissent, and if my saying so makes you uncomfortable, there's an ignore button.

 

This certainly is a post about hockey. There’s another way of ignoring it. Peace. Out.

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Several reports indicate the NHL is looking at jumping right into the playoffs to finish the season: “NHL has shifted its reopening plan from completing the regular season to heading right into a 24-team playoff field that would include a best-of-three play-in round (involving 16 teams).” 

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2 hours ago, Red_Storm said:

Several reports indicate the NHL is looking at jumping right into the playoffs to finish the season: “NHL has shifted its reopening plan from completing the regular season to heading right into a 24-team playoff field that would include a best-of-three play-in round (involving 16 teams).” 

Would that be top 4 get byes? Then 24 get down to 12 and form 16 teams with the 4 bye teams? 

 

I guess I like that we're in, so I say use point percentage and take the top 16 teams in the league. Rank them 1-16 by point percentage. 16 plays 1, etc.

We'd be ranked #9 and play Vegas who we are almost identical to in many categories. 

 

Of course they'll want to get more teams in, so this will turn out to be a great year to be close but with no real chance because now, congratulations, you're in.

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3 hours ago, remkin said:

Would that be top 4 get byes? Then 24 get down to 12 and form 16 teams with the 4 bye teams? 

 

I guess I like that we're in, so I say use point percentage and take the top 16 teams in the league. Rank them 1-16 by point percentage. 16 plays 1, etc.

We'd be ranked #9 and play Vegas who we are almost identical to in many categories. 

 

Of course they'll want to get more teams in, so this will turn out to be a great year to be close but with no real chance because now, congratulations, you're in.

I think we’d be looking at the top 4 from each conference get a bye (top 2 in each division) The next 8 play a 3 game play-in.

 

Pens vs Mtl

Canes vs Florida

Tor/CBJ vs NYR

Tor/CBJ vs NYI

 

just speculation on my part

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14 hours ago, Red_Storm said:

Several reports indicate the NHL is looking at jumping right into the playoffs to finish the season: “NHL has shifted its reopening plan from completing the regular season to heading right into a 24-team playoff field that would include a best-of-three play-in round (involving 16 teams).” 

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16 hours ago, raleighcaniac said:

I guess this story belongs in this subset forum. Google this guy. What an a$$hat 😂

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25 years old and no brain in his head. And the Caps' statement is almost as clueless:

 

“We are aware of the unacceptable and offensive comments made by Brendan Leipsic in a private conversation on social media” 

 

As if there's such a thing as private conversations on social media. Sheesh.

 

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15 hours ago, bluedevilcane said:

This certainly is a post about hockey.

The title of this thread is "Covid 19 Virus Inpacts Sports, NHL, Season Tix Other Impacts"

 

I find it interesting that you're apparently good with other participants' posts about how wrong (or not) the experts were, how it's totally safe (or not) to reopen the economy, etc. etc.--when there is absolutely no proof of any of those things. For all ANY of us knows, the scrubbing of the season and the state-imposed restrictions which followed prevented the Canes from returning from their game in Jersey to create a Raleigh hot spot. If not, there'd have been three more chances for that to happen within the week, because they were scheduled to host the Pens (and their fans, who, I'll admit, are diseased even without a virus afoot...), to travel to Buff, and to host Buff two days later.  

 

So, there's your hockey. Now, some "other impacts":

 

One of Mrs. Shelf's friends from childhood, who now lives near Buffalo, put money down on an OBX rental for themselves and three other NY couples last year--for next week. They have been told they can't get a refund of their deposit because the county is officially "open." Did the ability to say that factor into county commissioners' lifting of restrictions? Into Cooper's? Would the rental company do the same thing to renters who are in-state (i.e., who are more likely to take them to court, since attending a hearing is more convenient for NC residents)?

 

If you'd rather not consider/discuss such questions, that's fine. The same goes for posts about how wrong the experts were (or were not), about whether the current resident of the White House (which by the way is OUR White House) made a bad decision in demurring on WHO tests, thus delaying adequate testing right up to this moment, etc. But when you cry "politics" just because I and others are willing to consider and discuss them, you only feed the divisions that are already too widespread for our democracy's own good, and which have allowed the conviction that something called "alternative facts" actually exist to gain traction.

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