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Panthers might as well start looking ahead to next season, was hoping they'd upset the Patriots but no avail. Patriots were almost trying to give it to them in the first half too.

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Sorry Panther fans but my Pats really needed this win.  I'll be rooting for the Panthers from here out too.

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It would be Wes Welker.  I have loved watching this guy play since he was an unknown in Miami.  It broke my heart when he landed in New England (I really really wanted him here in Carolina).  But, even though he is a Patriot, I still pull for him and enjoy watching him dominate the slot-reciever position - best in the league.

This is an interesting article from the ESPN Boston.  Big surprise... Randy Moss has his effort come into question again?  Say it aint so... Raiders fans know this all too well, from his days in the Black Hole.  Nice quotes from Gamble and Chris the Hitman Harris.  Sorry TSA, no offense... but I just can't stand Moss.

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Wes Welker is really something special, I wish he could play defence too wink.gif  I hope the Randy Moss rumors are just that, rumors.   No offense taken jb, I was leary about what might happen when the Pats run into some adversity.

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How bout them Panthers? Finally make the much needed change to Moore WAY too late, but it's paying dividends. A win against Tampa.. a close game against New England and a blow out win against Minnesota.

It's kinda sad to be pulling for this, but we can make it to 8-8.. The Gmen havent been playing too hot lately.. we'll see how they do tonight.. and NO will be resting starters week 17 now that the undefeated season is over.. we could conceivably win both and finish 8-8. Might be enough to save Fox's job, might not be. Of course it will kill us draft wise.. we'll be in the middle, after all the BAD teams, but before all the playoff teams (kinda like the Canes every year)... so we'll have the 13th pick or something. Probably some trades will happen again.

If we can come back next year and not lose 15 starters to season ending injuries we should do pretty good. If Moore wins the next two games, he will give Jake a run for his money. 4-1 in relief of a banged up team is awfully good. Moore has only passed when he needed too, which should have been the game plan all along.... run, run, run, run, run, long pass to catch the D sleeping.. TD....

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To think DeAngelo goes out with an injury so we got the other half of Double Trouble, J-Stew and all he does is run for over 100 yds. Then you add Matt Moore to the mix, he uses all of his receivers including a 3 string TE who goes 55 yds.

Here is a kid going against one of the best, Brett Favre and he basically out played him. That was probably the best effort I have seen from them in a while.

I honestly thought the Panthers would get blown away by the Vikings, boy was I wrong.

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My fantasy opponent (who I beat thanks to the weird dance with John Kasey, she needed 6 points to beat me, he only got 2 with the block and cancelled FG, and two point try) had Farve on the bench.. and I was thinking Wow.. what a big mistake, assuming he would go 300, 3TDs or something. Her starter Brees got 11 points, Favre got only 6. If Kasey would have kicked the 47 yarder (or made the 52 yarder) I would have lost.. so thanks John Fox, even though that was quite bizarre. I felt bad pulling "against" the Panthers since FGs would mean I lost (i didn't think we would score 4 TDs) but in the end I won my matchup and the Panthers still won... nice..

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Yea major props to the Panthers in last night's win. I half-expected my Vikes to win easily, but also half-expected the Panthers to show up and give the Vikes a real test. Well the second one happened, and then the Panthers just rolled over us. I'm disappointed that Julius Peppers decided to play hard, and that my defense made Moore look good. But he really played well. 4th quarter just never seemed in doubt.

As for my teams, Favre needs to pick up his play again, the team needs to learn how to win consistently on the road, and oh yea, AP MIGHT just want to start being a good running back again. Even including last week's blowout against the Bengals, we really have looked average on offense now for three straight weeks. It all starts, and ends with AP.

I'm just glad though that we're done with Sunday night games. Al Michaels and company have not been kind to us. (I mean playing in front of them, not them directly, cause all they did last night was gloat over us).

Good win panthers! Btw, are ya'lls playoff hopes still alive or what? I don't keep track of the playoff picture unless my team is fighting in it lol.

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Yea major props to the Panthers in last night's win. I half-expected my Vikes to win easily, but also half-expected the Panthers to show up and give the Vikes a real test. Well the second one happened, and then the Panthers just rolled over us. I'm disappointed that Julius Peppers decided to play hard, and that my defense made Moore look good. But he really played well. 4th quarter just never seemed in doubt.

As for my teams, Favre needs to pick up his play again, the team needs to learn how to win consistently on the road, and oh yea, AP MIGHT just want to start being a good running back again. Even including last week's blowout against the Bengals, we really have looked average on offense now for three straight weeks. It all starts, and ends with AP.

I'm just glad though that we're done with Sunday night games. Al Michaels and company have not been kind to us. (I mean playing in front of them, not them directly, cause all they did last night was gloat over us).

Good win panthers! Btw, are ya'lls playoff hopes still alive or what? I don't keep track of the playoff picture unless my team is fighting in it lol.

   Playoffs?!? Don't talk to me about Playoffs! Playoffs!? you kiddin me, I just hope we can win a game

  

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Looking at the stats (yards, accuracy and QB) rating, it looks like both Delhomme and McCowen did better then Moore, but watching him in person Moore seemed the most at ease in the pocket and completing his passes seemed effortless.. Delhomme seemed to struggle a little and McCowen had some bad pressure and a sack. Hopefully two more weeks will get this settled out.

I would say this comment from the preseason describes how things have been going for Matt Moore the last couple of weeks.

I hope the management of the Panthers is thoroughly embarrassed.  We could easily be in the playoff hunt right now if they had made this switch earlier in the season.  I'm not saying Moore would have gone 8-0 and we would be 12-4 again, but obviously he's doing pretty good.  Based on the way they have played last week, we should easily beat the "resting" Saints next week to finish 8-8 but not in the playoffs.  Too little too late. 

I don't know how many plays Fox calls on offense, since he is more a defensive coach, but the O-coordinator should be fired for having Delhomme throw WAY too many passes while our power running attack sat idle.  Both Williams and Stewart over 100+ yards against Tampa? That's how we win.. but it was already too late at that point.

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A few good things (if any) to take away from the Panthers 8-8 finish.

1. We had the second hardest schedule in the whole league. Look at our last 4 games (which we won 3 out of 4).. Vikings, Pats, Giants, Saints. 3 of the 4 are also heading to the playoffs. Miami had THE hardest schedule preseason and finished 7-9. So teams like the Lions, Bucs, Seahawks and Rams had easier schedules and bombed.

2. We were 4-2 in our division and 8-4 in our conference. We lost all four of our games against the AFC East, who is sending two teams to the playoffs (Pats and Jets). If we had played the AFC West, we could have won at least 2 more games (Raiders, Chiefs) and may have stood a chance against the 8-8 Broncos. 3 more wins 11-5 would have put us in playoff contention. We lost to Philly and Dallas and didn't play against Green Bay, so I'm not sure how we would stack up against the other 11-5 teams. But if we had the same record, but miss the playoffs due to tie breakers, you can't be too upset.

3. If Matt Moore doesn't start at least Week 1 next year someone needs to be fired. His first 3 game relief stint he won 2 of 3, now 5 games in relief and he's won 4 of 5. Yes he rode on Double Trouble's shoulders a lot of the times, but he has made some good passes.. and NO INTERCEPTIONS!!!! 6 TDs and no INTs vs the Vikes and Pats, plus a passing TD to Jarret against the Saints (and again, no INT). I really hope they take Coach Billicks advice.. yes you are paying Jake a lot of money, but a QB who can take you to the playoffs is the better option, both teamwise and money wise.

4. Two 1100 yard rushers in the same year.. an NFL record. Without a doubt we are a running team, and hopefully next year we can get back to playing smash mouth football which will take us to the playoffs. If you want to live by the pass you better have a pro bowl QB.. we don't... but we have a pro bowl runner and a pro bowl defense.

It's really a shame that decisions in the pressbox cost us this year rather then decisions on the field (besides Jakes awful throws)... Next year lets hope we get a chance to decide it on the field.. where it really matters.

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Not to mention the musical-chairs situation on the offensive line.  We had some much movement in their lineup it was almost funny.  We even ended up with a practice squad member in the starting position (Schwartz).  I am not complaining about their performance... obviously they were amazing, considering the NFL record of two RBs with a 1,100+ yard season.  I am in shock of the success with the battered-up line, and very optimistic for the future.  I was really worried when we lost Hartwig, Bridges and Handgartner before the season... but it seems like that wasn't a big deal.  Neither was losing Otah and Gross to injuries (two Pro-Bowl worthy linemen)... that's amazing.  Nothing is more important to a run first team than the offensive line.

With that being said, I am very pleased with the outcome of this doomed season.  The tough schedule, poor performance from our vet-QB, injuries upon injuries on both sides of the ball, Smith's lack of impact for so many games (maybe part of Jake's meltdown), and some poor officiating still weren't enough to give us a losing season (I don't consider .500 a losing season).

I wanted more, that is obvious.  After what happened last season, I thought we'd rock the NFC this season, regardless of the tough schedule.  But, hopefully next season will be better.  The question is will we have Peppers?  That will be important to see how our team has to play.  If Peppers is gone, other team's offense will have a completely different game plan coming into the game.  And Brown isn't filling that role so far (only 2.5 sacks this season).  I don't see him being the next Peppers... I might even try him out at LB/DE hybrid, considering he is more of a speedy player.  He just isn't getting around NFL-level linemen.  But this is his first season, so there is no reason to give up on him.

Hoover, Kasay and Muhs are getting old... and it's starting to show.  Hoover I'm not too worried about.  Muhs still has great games here and there... but Kasay has lost a lot of his range.  It's nice to have an almost sure thing inside of 42 yards... but anything outside 42 and he is ify.  I don't like that limit, but I would probably just deal with it.  It's hard to let go of such a great individual, and I guess that is why I'm not a GM.

Who do we look for in the draft?

Have you heard anything about a potential lock-out for next season?  My buddy said there is rumor of the owners doing that... man that would suck.

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Three things that has to be decided before next season opener:

 1.  Peppers- will he sign a long term agreement or opt out for free agency?  I can't believe the organization will place a "franchise tag" on him for next year, that will cost over 20 mil for one player.  He is a great player but I don't belive he is worth that much.

2.  Will Fox stay around for one more year as a "lame duck" coach or will he seek another head coaching job?

3.  Starting quarterback- who will it be?  Jack or Matt??  I believe that Matt is our starter for next year, he deserves a chance and Jake should mentor him if he really has the team's best interest.  Of course it will be hard to bench Jack who will make 12 mil, glad it's not my decision.wink.gif

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OK, so Hurney cut Delhomme, Lloyd, Muhammad, Hoover, Lewis, Johnson, Diggs, and Maake Kemoeatu.  Let Peppers go for nothing.  Then he traded Chris Harris, our biggest hitter in the backfield and forced-fumble specialist, for an unknown linebacker (Jamar Williams... who?!)?  What is going on in Charlotte?  I can't imagine what we are in store for next season... I was hopeful, but now I don't see the Panthers doing as well as last season.  I just hope Clausen gets lots of game time and turns into the draft steal he is supposed to be.  I liked how Moore came into a tough situation and played with heart, but I seriously don't see him as a franchise QB.  Get ready to see Smith angry for another full season... this time it could be enough to make him leave for greener pastures.  Watch him go to New England, like everyone else.  I swear, if Smith ends up recieving passes from Brady I will turn my back on the NFL until one of them retires... I'll get my football fix from the AFL instead.

Now that Peppers is gone, we can actually afford some talented FAs.  O-line looks good.  D-line looks really really bad.  We're stocked up on DBs and LBs.  Seemed like a good draft...  Where would you guys like to see the money and attention spent?

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Well at least you don't have to worry about Smith receiving passes from Brady since he broke his arm playing flag football. Nice. That's our second injury so far and the season hasn't even STARTED YET. Smith could make it back, but Davis is likely out for the season.

I was positive for this season too, but so far we are off to an ominous start.

I loved Peppers, but not for 16 million. His attitude turned me off the last two seasons, we are better off without him. I'm surprised they pulled the trigger on Delhomme since they seemed intent on keeping him, we should be better without him as well.

We do have a much more favorable schedule this year though, Our two toughest games will probably be the opener @NYGiants and the next to last game @Pittsburgh. Road games against New Orleans and Atlanta will be tough as always. We play the Rams, Browns and Seahawks all on the road, but should crush all three. We also get the Bengals at home week 3. Interesting to look at the division matchups.. we play all 4 from the AFC north(Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincy, Baltimore), so that's our non-conference this year, we get the NFC West as our in conference (St Louis, SF, Arizona, Seattle), 1 from NFC North (Bears) and 1 from NFC East (Giants). Last year when we had Pats, Dolphins, Jets, Giants was rough.

I still hold my offseason assesment for now. I don't expect us to win the Super Bowl or anything crazy like that, but we should make the playoffs. We should be either the division leader, or second behind New Orleans and grab a wild card.

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OK, so Hurney cut Delhomme, Lloyd, Muhammad, Hoover, Lewis, Johnson, Diggs, and Maake Kemoeatu.  Let Peppers go for nothing.  Then he traded Chris Harris, our biggest hitter in the backfield and forced-fumble specialist, for an unknown linebacker (Jamar Williams... who?!)?  What is going on in Charlotte?

I haven't kept up with the panthers news in a while but I thought I felt a disturbance in the force. They might surprise me this year, but I don't think they are going to amount to much this year, which is saying a lot because I thought they finished pretty strong last year. It will be a long time before the panthers will in a position to contend, its like we are back at square one from the inaugural season in a patchwork team full of nobodies and has-been's.

Could have gotten something for peppers, big snafu imo.

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You know, I'm not a big Panthers follower, but I think they are better off w/out Peppers. Dude seemed like he had no heart playing in Charlotte.

It's gonna be kinda weird w/out seeing Jake Delhomme in a Panthers uniform. Being that the Panthers play the Browns this year it'll be interesting to see if JD burns them the way former Canes burn us.

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I agree about the Peppers comment, for whatever reason he just gave up or got lazy or got old. I loved Peppers but he just became invisible.

I didn't think Delhomme was going to start in Cleveland, but I just looked up their roster and their other options are Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy (who they say will not play in '10). It doesn't look like they have a whole lot of weapons for him to throw to.. Josh Cribbs and maybe Chansi Stuckey.. I don't see too many big names elsewhere on the roster. I don't follow Cleveland so I don't really know if they are pass happy or run happy,

Depending on our division games I think we can go 10-6 or 9-7 this year and improve on last years 8-8 and hopefully make the playoffs. For division games I have us beating the Bucs twice, losing to the Saints twice and splitting the home and home with Atlanta. If we can pull off one of the Saints games and maybe beat Atlanta on the road that will help us out as well. I think we can beat the Browns, Rams, Niners, Bears and Seahawks, the Ravens and Bengals will be close, and I would expect us to lose to the Giants, Steelers and Cardinals. As long as we do better than Atlanta and finish second in the division we have a shot at a wild card behind NO. Atlanta has a similar schedule to us with games against the Seahawks, Browns, Bengals and Rams. They open @Pittsburgh and also play GB at home. Both Car/Atl games are late in the season so it could be wins against each other that decide who goes to the playoffs. New Orleans gets the same AFC/NFC opponents with games against the Cowboys and Vikings as well.

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I watch NFL Network once in a while and caught the back end of a Brown's Camp segment in which the head coach was talking about how much Delhomme has impressed everyone and is the best suited QB.  I didn't expect him to start either, but it sounds like they are giving him the nod at this point.  Things can change, though.  I hope he plays well... I feel bad for him, the way he was signed and then kicked out from Charlotte was not professional at all.

We'll see a rejuvinated Peppers when Chicago comes to town.  I expect he'll do well this season because of all the excitement of getting everything he wanted (money, a bigger profile/splash in the media and a new defense).  But, without heart, he'll go no where in the next few seasons and he'll be held as much there as here with no calls from the zebras.  Same stuff, different day.

I expect we'll beat Arizona.  I don't see them being much of a threat this season, especially with Warner gone.  But I agree that we'll do well with our soft schedule.  We SHOULD get at least 10 wins.  I am really excited to see how Jimmy Clausen fits in.  The battle between him and Moore will be a good one.  Also, we have some talented rookies in other positions that will be fun to watch.  But most of all, I am looking forward to watching Stewart and Williams tear up the field on another record breaking season of Carolina Panthers smash-mouth football.

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I don't expect us to be a whole lot better than last year (hence my prediction of 10-6 or 9-7) but with the benefit of an easier schedule we should be able to squeeze out a few more wins this year. 10-6 made the playoffs last year (granted as an auto division bid from Arizona) but 11-5 made it also, both as auto and wildcard. (Dallas, GB and Philly). After looking at it I noticed our AFC north games Cincy, Baltimore, Pitt, and Cleveland are shared by all of our NFC South foes. We also all share the NFC west (Arizona, SF, Seattle, St Louis) but then it gets interesting. I found this link on the New Orleans Saints website which explains the way the NFL scheduling works, which I knew how it rotated divisions, but the last part was interesting. Of the two divisions in the NFC we only play one team from (NFC North and East) the teams match up based on last years standings, so New Orleans gets the two first place teams Cowboys and Vikings, Atlanta gets second GB and Philly, we get third with the Giants and Bears and Bucs get 4th with the Lions and Redskins. Since we are playing so many of the same teams, our divisional games become that much more important. We have to win at least one vs Atlanta and it would be incredible if we could steal one against the Saints, maybe win at home? Pull off a few upsets, and then win the ones we SHOULD 10 to 11 wins is not out of the question, but when we start losing to teams like the Browns and Rams, we are toast.

Not that i expect them to do much, but with the Browns, Rams, Seahawks, Lions and Skins the Bucs have an EASY schedule. So much more embarrassing I guess when they lose.

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The more I look at our schedule the more I'm concerned that it's not as easy a schedule as it seemed at first glance. Should still be easier than last year's, but the AFC north is not a slouch either. 10-6 Cincy leads the way followed by 9-7 Baltimore and 9-7 Pittsburgh. 5-11 Cleveland finished with 4 straight wins.

I see us having three tiers of games.

Games we SHOULD win: vs TB, @TB, @STL, @Clev, @Sea, vs ATL

Games we COULD win: @Atl, vs NO, vs SF, vs CHI, vs Bal, vs Cincy

Games we WOULD LIKE to win (but probably won't): @NO, @NYG, @Pitt, @Ari

If we win all of the SHOULD games, and half the COULD games that puts us at 9 wins. Not too bad. I like our odds at home, we are usually a good home team. 9 or 10 wins could be playoff bound, but it would depend on the wildcard race sine we will be second behind NO.

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