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Of course he let in a softy here and there, but for the most part he was insane. Just makes it that much more blatant that we need some defense in front of him so he isn't facing 40 a night.

After signing Walker and Whitney (already halfway done with that) we need to focus on this aspect. Get rid of Tanabe (or if not, get enough players where he isn't playing significant time each night)... Kindly ask Wesley to graciously retire so we can put his number next to Ronnie's and fill his spot with a quicker d-man who is better for our game. I would like to see Seidenberg play more next season. Oh, and its probably time for Hedican to graciously step away from the game also. Just put some D out in front of Ward and he'll be REALLY good for us in the future, but you can't expect him to do well with the breakdowns we were having all season long. Sometimes it looked like we were just throwing him to the wolves.

Also watch a PP that clicked at almost a 25% success rate. That and Ward's play were the reasons the Canes won.

As for you D suggestions, I'm not sure where to start. Wesley anchored the PK, along with Commodore, and was good more nights than not at even strength. He isn't the quickest D-man but he knows how to position himself, rarely makes bad decisions, and his savvy approach compensates for his lack of quickness. His leadership is an added bonus and he would be just fine in the 3rd pair. There is no way though he gets his number retired. Solid doesn't equal stellar.

On Hedican I agree. He is twice as expensive as Wesley can't stay healthy and was just plain bad this year. Time to go.

Tanabe will be relatively cheap and earned the minutes he got. Once he got healthy, I'm hard pressed to say anyone played better overall on the blueline than he did on a regular basis. I'd definitely re-sign him for part of a middle pairing.

Seidenberg? Yes, he's aggressive and physical but out of control too much and sometimes so bad with his positioning you can only cringe. He is a project with some good upside but I'd slot him as the 7th D-man and get rid of Hutch. Babchuk? He can go too. I was never that impressed with him.

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Got to agree with Stormrider and unless we bring in a veteran UFA dman, we're gonna need someone like Wesley to anchor the defense. Take another look at your DVD and watch how many shots Wesley blocked. There was actually one that went behind Cam and Wesley dove in behind him to save the shot, you can't expect that veteran instinct to miraculously appear in some young players.

Hedican will probably retire and Wesley won't demand a raise. 1.2 is very reasonable for what he brings to the table. I can't see JR not signing Tanabe, he did everything asked of him and more. I love Iceberg but he needs some positioning instruction, his upside is very promising though.

Back to the original post.....Cam will have a better year next season. Lavi has learned not to overplay him early on in the season and Cam now knows exactly what it takes to pace himself through a full NHL season. Not to mention the pressure of coming off a Conn Smyth performance won't be there either. If he can learn to read breakaways a little better, and gets a bit more accurate on that high glove side, I think he'll be just fine.

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Got to agree with Stormrider and unless we bring in a veteran UFA dman, we're gonna need someone like Wesley to anchor the defense. Take another look at your DVD and watch how many shots Wesley blocked. There was actually one that went behind Cam and Wesley dove in behind him to save the shot, you can't expect that veteran instinct to miraculously appear in some young players.

Hedican will probably retire and Wesley won't demand a raise. 1.2 is very reasonable for what he brings to the table. I can't see JR not signing Tanabe, he did everything asked of him and more. I love Iceberg but he needs some positioning instruction, his upside is very promising though.

Back to the original post.....Cam will have a better year next season. Lavi has learned not to overplay him early on in the season and Cam now knows exactly what it takes to pace himself through a full NHL season. Not to mention the pressure of coming off a Conn Smyth performance won't be there either. If he can learn to read breakaways a little better, and gets a bit more accurate on that high glove side, I think he'll be just fine.

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Wardo played off pure adrenaline in the playoffs and adrenaline alone can make any goalie play amazing. It's what the one year wonder goalies are made of. Hedberg, Jim Carey, Roman Chechmanek, Felix Potvin..........its up to Cam to decide wether he was a one year wonder or if he can find a way to bring the adrenaline night after night. If he wants to be a Kipper, Luongo, Broduer, Hasek or if he wants to be the next Hedberg. It's completely in his hands, I dont think any more training can fix his mindset.

I think the kids almost TO calm.... its like if he lets in a goal its ok and it shouldnt be. I like that he doesnt let things in the past rattle him but it seems like the score is always 0-0 to cam even when were losing 3-1. That mentality needs to hit the road, he needs to have the mentality were losing 2-0 at the beginning of the game. Kinda like he did last year when he walked into the worst playoff situation ever in Montreal.

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When I look at the list, Andrei Markov of Montreal and Tom Preissing of Ottawa stick out as two possible targets.

Andrei Markov:

Assets: Has a rocket for a shot and can quarterback a power play. Skates very well for a rearguard and is capable of leading the rush.

Flaws: Still needs to perform better against big NHL forwards. Has the occasional blunder in his own zone and is somewhat prone to injury.

Career potential: Power play quarterback.

Tom Preissing:

Assets: Makes smart decisions with the puck. Is capable of putting up good offensive numbers, especially if given regular ice time with the man advantage.

Flaws: Is undersized, and will always face an uphill battle against NHL power forwards. Must still prove he can log big minutes in the big league.

Career potential: Power play specialist.

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Wardo played off pure adrenaline in the playoffs and adrenaline alone can make any goalie play amazing. It's what the one year wonder goalies are made of. Hedberg, Jim Carey, Roman Chechmanek, Felix Potvin..........its up to Cam to decide wether he was a one year wonder or if he can find a way to bring the adrenaline night after night. If he wants to be a Kipper, Luongo, Broduer, Hasek or if he wants to be the next Hedberg. It's completely in his hands, I dont think any more training can fix his mindset.
I disagree just a bit. I think some rigorous training and drills on handling breakaways and shootouts and developing better techniques would be a big help to him (especially, work on effective use of the poke check).

Generally, I think Cam will be a fine franchise goalie for us. His level of play was overall "adequate" and, though he didn't go out and "win" many games for us; I don't recall more than handfull of games that clearly he "lost" for us. That's probably the kind of goalie Lavi wants...one that will keep the offense in striking distance to win the game on their terms.

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I disagree just a bit. I think some rigorous training and drills on handling breakaways and shootouts and developing better techniques would be a big help to him (especially, work on effective use of the poke check).

Generally, I think Cam will be a fine franchise goalie for us. His level of play was overall "adequate" and, though he didn't go out and "win" many games for us; I don't recall more than handfull of games that clearly he "lost" for us. That's probably the kind of goalie Lavi wants...one that will keep the offense in striking distance to win the game on their terms.

Wardo played in 60 games this year, in 16 losing efforts hes let up 4 or more goals. Thats not even giving your team the slightest chance to win in 16 games. On 4 other occasions we won when he let up 4 or more.

So in games that Wardo just didnt perform which was 33% of all games he played. We were 4-16. Your starter has got to wake up and be there for your team way more then 66% of the time.

Grahame on 10 occasions let up 4 or more... and 2 times won.

So combined we are 6-26 in games we let up 4 or more. Thats amazing to me that in 32 of 82 games we let up more then 4 goals and it also says your not giving yourself a chance in hell at winning when you cant make a few saves.

I know we got the goaltending talent, but our goalies seem to constantly lack focus and I think thats a goalie coach problem. Weekes was just as piss poor when he started and Irbe constantly was mediocre as well. Has to be a reason why in all the years of our existence our goalies seem to need a wake up goal before they start playing.

Gerber had great focus which would disprove that theory except when he got into the playoffs and tanked, which makes me think we REALLY have focus problems.

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Of course he let in a softy here and there, but for the most part he was insane. Just makes it that much more blatant that we need some defense in front of him so he isn't facing 40 a night.

After signing Walker and Whitney (already halfway done with that) we need to focus on this aspect. Get rid of Tanabe (or if not, get enough players where he isn't playing significant time each night)... Kindly ask Wesley to graciously retire so we can put his number next to Ronnie's and fill his spot with a quicker d-man who is better for our game. I would like to see Seidenberg play more next season. Oh, and its probably time for Hedican to graciously step away from the game also. Just put some D out in front of Ward and he'll be REALLY good for us in the future, but you can't expect him to do well with the breakdowns we were having all season long. Sometimes it looked like we were just throwing him to the wolves.

this makes great sense.... get rid off, get rid off, get rid off, get rid off..... ok, now we got rid of Tanabe, Wesley, Hedican. Now what??? after signing Waker and Whitney we MAY be able to pick up an 1 decent Free agent because of the salary cap, but I doubt it. Name another DMan that we can pickup for what we paid Tanabe and Wesley? You can't. If we can get Tanabe and Wesley at anything close to what we paid them last year, we should.

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Wardo played in 60 games this year, in 16 losing efforts hes let up 4 or more goals. Thats not even giving your team the slightest chance to win in 16 games. On 4 other occasions we won when he let up 4 or more.

So in games that Wardo just didnt perform which was 33% of all games he played. We were 4-16. Your starter has got to wake up and be there for your team way more then 66% of the time.

Grahame on 10 occasions let up 4 or more... and 2 times won.

So combined we are 6-26 in games we let up 4 or more. Thats amazing to me that in 32 of 82 games we let up more then 4 goals and it also says your not giving yourself a chance in hell at winning when you cant make a few saves.

I know we got the goaltending talent, but our goalies seem to constantly lack focus and I think thats a goalie coach problem. Weekes was just as piss poor when he started and Irbe constantly was mediocre as well. Has to be a reason why in all the years of our existence our goalies seem to need a wake up goal before they start playing.

Gerber had great focus which would disprove that theory except when he got into the playoffs and tanked, which makes me think we REALLY have focus problems.

In the Stanley Cup season, unless I miscounted, we were 5-25 in games where we gave up 4 or more goals. Virtually identical to the 6-26 you tallied for this season. The problem this year was winning the lower scoring games where, generally, the goaltender had done his job. I still believe Ward was adequate this year, but overall the defense was horrid. Whether the blame was on all the Defensemen injuries or just poor play from the D-men (and certain forwards neglecting their defensive responsibilities...Staal was a big example here, Williams to a lesser extent), that to me was more of the reason for soft goals then poor goaltending as our key defensive problem. The poor power play, of course, was the big offensive issue. I hope the team steers a couple extra million to picking up a defensemen or two that will serve to both strengthen the blueline and help the power play.

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Wardo played off pure adrenaline in the playoffs and adrenaline alone can make any goalie play amazing. It's what the one year wonder goalies are made of. Hedberg, Jim Carey, Roman Chechmanek, Felix Potvin..........its up to Cam to decide wether he was a one year wonder or if he can find a way to bring the adrenaline night after night. If he wants to be a Kipper, Luongo, Broduer, Hasek or if he wants to be the next Hedberg. It's completely in his hands, I dont think any more training can fix his mindset.

I think the kids almost TO calm.... its like if he lets in a goal its ok and it shouldnt be. I like that he doesnt let things in the past rattle him but it seems like the score is always 0-0 to cam even when were losing 3-1. That mentality needs to hit the road, he needs to have the mentality were losing 2-0 at the beginning of the game. Kinda like he did last year when he walked into the worst playoff situation ever in Montreal.

If you have followed Cam at all through his career (WHL, AHL and now NHL) he has always been calm. Being calm does not mean he is not competive or that his mentality is too soft. Cam is a very competive individual and wants to win every game he plays. You might not see the fire but all you have to do is watch him after we lose or listen to him after that game.

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I actually just ordered the DVD from nhl.com, yeah I know, I'm probably the last one to get it.... but better late than never. Besides I need some kind of 'Canes hockey to get me through the summer!

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I guess I don't understand why so many dislike Tanabe

I don't understand it either, I think he's great. He definitely was during the final game (4/7/07) at least.

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it is a great DVD!!!! But it will give you the itch for more hockey. TRUST ME.. I watch it the other night. BAD IDEA....

I know... but any true 'Canes fan has to have it, right? I'm looking forward to watching game 7 and being able to enjoy it rather than pacing my living room feeling sick. That's literally how bad it was for me during the entire Stanley Cup run. :)

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Ok, so Tanabe isn't on my list of favorite people, but after reading this thread, I'm starting to think it would be a good idea to keep him because he is cheap and does the job he has to do. Wesley too. Sure, Wes is getting up there in age, but with his knowledge of the game and how he seems to be in the right place at the right time, it would be good to keep him too. It gives us the cap space to bring in another player if we have to instead of leaving us with nothing to spend.

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I really have grown to like Tanabe, I hope we keep him. I guess I don't understand why so many dislike Tanabe

A couple of reasons I think. He came to the Canes out of college with incredible hype about his speed, skating and offensive instincts. He never lived up to the unrealistic expectations and was labeled as soft by most of his critics. He bounced around in Phoenix and Boston and came back to the Canes still not fully recovered from an ACL tear. His old critics chimed back in and the newer fans who hadn't even seen him the first time around formed an immediate opinion based on the negativity.

Another big reason is that many fans don't watch closely enough to notice little things D-men do but are very cognizant of mistakes which are obvious. It's like a cornerback in football who can play a great game that goes unnoticed until he gets beaten for a TD and those that don't like him say "see he's a bum." I'm not saying Tanabe is great by any means but when he was the most consistent blueliner, even with the mistakes he made, for a period of 2-3 months and people still couldn't see it, it's telling.

Either they can't get past their predispositions about him, just as some fans can see no wrong in certain players, or they don't no what to look for. I would re-sign him as a #4/5 D-man without much hesitation. He has earned that chance and won't be that expensive.

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I think the kids almost TO calm.... its like if he lets in a goal its ok and it shouldnt be. I like that he doesnt let things in the past rattle him but it seems like the score is always 0-0 to cam even when were losing 3-1. That mentality needs to hit the road, he needs to have the mentality were losing 2-0 at the beginning of the game. Kinda like he did last year when he walked into the worst playoff situation ever in Montreal.

I'd have to disagree...strongly. Cam's approach is right on target. The game goes so fast, you have to get yourself into a zone and let your body respond to all the changes in direction and not get caught up in surges of emotion. Most of the soft goals this year most likely were the result of his slipping temporarily out of focus on the flow of the game. There were a few rookie mistakes, like the goal from behind the net against Atlanta, but those are the things experience will correct. A stiffer defensive effort will be the best remedy. The goalie and the defense feed off each other and stellar play by either party tends to infuse the other with more confidence and stability. Cam actually saved the defense more than they saved him this year and really had to make some spectacular saves when they were playing horribly. Same was true with Grahame. I think when we get the defense on track, both our goalies will be just fine. Cam in particular will look more like the Cam we saw in the Finals last year.

I don't think Cam ever came into a game last year worrying about what the score was. By his own admission he looked at the situation that his job was to prevent anymore goals and give the offense a chance to catch up. His cool manner is the very reason why the guys have confidence in him. They don't need someone uptight who is emitting a frantic desperation. They have all stated they are impressed and inspired by his calm, confident attitude. I say keep it up Cam.

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I would re-sign him as a #4/5 D-man without much hesitation. He has earned that chance and won't be that expensive.

Agreed. He will be cheap, can get away with signing him for less than $1 mill/year. I would offer him a 2 year. This way he should be even healthier the start of next season and then we can really access him.

Depending on how the Walker negotiations are going, I'd say the 2 that are definite no returns are Carter and Vasichek.

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I remember Doug Weight on the Canes DVD saying something along the lines of he was nervous for Cam, and yet Cam was giving him winks and it was actually calming him down.

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well, you all know how I feel about Wardo so I wont go there (hee hee) :P but I really have grown to like Tanabe, I hope we keep him.

I guess I don't understand why so many dislike Tanabe

I don't understand it either, I think he's great. He definitely was during the final game (4/7/07) at least.

Because people can't let go of grudges for players who were quite terrible at one point. I think at one point, people were valid to dislike him, but Tanabe has stepped up and earned some ice time and really been a good Dman (and scored us a few goals!) so there is really no reason for it now.

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