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Bring Cullen back! I still don't understand how or why they let him go last year. With all the shuffling around and money spent last year (which didn't work out so well for us), we could have kept him. Whatever the cost, he was a great asset to the 'Canes.

they couldn't resign everyone and would have only signed Cullen for just a bit more than he was making. Cullen knew he wasn't the priority, Staal was. Just business. Now if we get him back then business is good!!

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This would be AWESOME!! I would love to get Cullen back, he knows the system and would fill the big void left by his departure. He managed to put up 16 goals last year w/o getting as much playing time as he did with Canes. We would get a PP QB, Shoot out specialist and a quick and offensively skilled 3rd line center.

Hamilton sounds like a great developing player, but putting a veteran guy at the 3rd line center would just add to the depth that made the Canes so dangerous in 2006. Laviolette doesn't play favorites and always plays the 4 lines pretty evenly if they are producing. Our line up with Cullen would be:

Stillman, Staal, Cole

Williams, Brindy, Whitney

Ladd, Cullen, Walker

LaRose, Hamilton, Adams

That would be a sick line up. Running 4 lines out that can score and being able to plug so many guys into so many different roles on the PK and PP would be a HUGE asset.

Also I don't think the Canes would have to give up too much either. The Rangers want to dump salary and Cullen would have a severly reduced role on their team. This would help both sides SOOOO much!!

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Defense hasn't exactly been the problem the last 2 years. We gave up 253 goals this year, 260 in th 05-06 cup run. BUT,we scored 294 goals that year, compared to last years 241. So, more offense definitely woulnd't be a bad thing either. So if no new D, I'm ok with that.

The Canes won the Cup despite a mediocre D because Ward stood on his head for most of the playoffs and the PP was lethal. Buffalo and Ottawa learned that you can't win the Cup by hoping to outscore opponents. Your goaltending can get streaky as can your PP so the constant is D. The current D corps is still mediocre.

But the thing is, Laviolette isn't one of those coaches who plays the 1st line for 80% of the game. The third line and fourth line have little difference in playing time, especially since Laviolette switches around lines frequently.

The 3rd line gets significantly more playing time here than the 4th in terms of even strength minutes. The 4th line gets less than 8 mins/game while the 3rd line gets typically 12 minutes or so a game. Where Hamilton loses out is that Cullen, if reacquired, takes over one of the points of the PP and that leaves only 1 spot for a forward on the top 2 units. If Staal stays on the point, Hamilton loses major minutes on PP and he doesn't kill. That's a big difference.

And seriously are we talking about hurting the guys feelings. Their grown men, this is a business and I'm sure they all want what's best for the team.

I had a different concern in mind. Belanger was unhappy last year with his role and it did have enough of an impact in the room that he was sent packing. Hamilton signed here with the understanding he was going to center the 3rd line, and his comments show he was told that. He is trying to make a career move and could have signed elsewhere. Instead he could end up taking a step back so it depends on his character. If it happens, does he play the good teammate role or does he become a Belanger-like distraction?

Another point, although a minor one, is that it could raise questions in the minds of other FA's about how exactly they will be used. It can be explained away based on unexpected circumstances but it still would could give some guys some pause in the future.

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This is the best news of the offseason for the Canes imo. If we get Cullen back,, and keep Hamilton you can probably give us at least 2 more wins via shootouts this year.

Cullen was only 3 for 8 in shootouts for the Rangers last year. When he was here I was pretty amazed he was successful as he was at them since he was basically a one trick pony in the shootouts (shoot low stick side).

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This is the best news of the offseason for the Canes imo. If we get Cullen back,, and keep Hamilton you can probably give us at least 2 more wins via shootouts this year.

Cullen was only 3 for 8 in shootouts for the Rangers last year. When he was here I was pretty amazed he was successful as he was at them since he was basically a one trick pony in the shootouts (shoot low stick side).

Exactly right and that's why it is always bewildering when people think past success will equal future success. Whitney took the collar this year after being stellar the year before and J. Jokinen went from unstoppable to below .500. You build a solid nucleus and hope your skill guys come through in S/O's.

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Belanger was unhappy last year with his role and it did have enough of an impact in the room that he was sent packing. Hamilton signed here with the understanding he was going to center the 3rd line, and his comments show he was told that. He is trying to make a career move and could have signed elsewhere. Instead he could end up taking a step back so it depends on his character. If it happens, does he play the good teammate role or does he become a Belanger-like distraction?

Another point, although a minor one, is that it could raise questions in the minds of other FA's about how exactly they will be used. It can be explained away based on unexpected circumstances but it still would could give some guys some pause in the future.

The same thing will happen with Hamilton that happened with Belanger should Hamilton become a "Belanger-like distraction" This is a team and it would be stupid for JR to not sign someone he thought would be a perfect fit just because it would hurt someone's feelings to do so.

Hamilton is a grown up and can handle getting moved to the line with Rosey and Adams. Like was mentioned earlier Lavi doesn't use numbers in describing the lines because he thinks that all lines are of their own importance. It's not like other team where the 4th liners are not important.

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I look at it this way, show what you got and why you need to play during training camp and let the chips fall where they may!!

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Belanger was unhappy last year with his role and it did have enough of an impact in the room that he was sent packing. Hamilton signed here with the understanding he was going to center the 3rd line, and his comments show he was told that. He is trying to make a career move and could have signed elsewhere. Instead he could end up taking a step back so it depends on his character. If it happens, does he play the good teammate role or does he become a Belanger-like distraction?

Another point, although a minor one, is that it could raise questions in the minds of other FA's about how exactly they will be used. It can be explained away based on unexpected circumstances but it still would could give some guys some pause in the future.

The same thing will happen with Hamilton that happened with Belanger should Hamilton become a "Belanger-like distraction" This is a team and it would be stupid for JR to not sign someone he thought would be a perfect fit just because it would hurt someone's feelings to do so.

Hamilton is a grown up and can handle getting moved to the line with Rosey and Adams. Like was mentioned earlier Lavi doesn't use numbers in describing the lines because he thinks that all lines are of their own importance. It's not like other team where the 4th liners are not important.

It would come to down this. Is Hamilton a sulker like Belanger or a team guy like Letowski? Letowski signed as a FA to center the third line but at least got demoted after not getting the job done. Hamilton would just be handed a demotion and it would impact both his even strength and PP minutes. He might handle it well but who knows? The Canes thought Belanger was a character guy when he was acquired.

Though Lavi's doesn't use line #'s there is a clear pecking order and the 4th line doesn't play a prominent role in terms of a regular rotation at even strength. It's an energy line that is relied upon greatly for the PK. That's grunt work, not the place to go to see your career progress. Hamilton has bounced around and was looking for a fresh start where he could play a bigger role. Going to the 4th line here is not that regardless of how much spin is applied.

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You really think Hamilton wasn't told what his role will be with this team. JR doesn't seem like the type who would try and trick someone into coming here under false pretenses. I am sure all of this was explained in one way or another. Did Hamilton get brought here to play 3rd line? Yes. But lots of players get shuffled around if they don't fit in with the team plan.

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The 3rd line gets significantly more playing time here than the 4th in terms of even strength minutes. The 4th line gets less than 8 mins/game while the 3rd line gets typically 12 minutes or so a game. Where Hamilton loses out is that Cullen, if reacquired, takes over one of the points of the PP and that leaves only 1 spot for a forward on the top 2 units. If Staal stays on the point, Hamilton loses major minutes on PP and he doesn't kill. That's a big difference.

I honestly don't think Hamilton will loose any ground on the PP. JR said so himself. He said that he would like to use Hamilton in a utility role, since he can play center, winger and play the point on the PP

They would probably move Staal back down low where he was more of a threat.

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Belanger was unhappy last year with his role and it did have enough of an impact in the room that he was sent packing. Hamilton signed here with the understanding he was going to center the 3rd line, and his comments show he was told that. He is trying to make a career move and could have signed elsewhere. Instead he could end up taking a step back so it depends on his character. If it happens, does he play the good teammate role or does he become a Belanger-like distraction?

Another point, although a minor one, is that it could raise questions in the minds of other FA's about how exactly they will be used. It can be explained away based on unexpected circumstances but it still would could give some guys some pause in the future.

The same thing will happen with Hamilton that happened with Belanger should Hamilton become a "Belanger-like distraction" This is a team and it would be stupid for JR to not sign someone he thought would be a perfect fit just because it would hurt someone's feelings to do so.

Hamilton is a grown up and can handle getting moved to the line with Rosey and Adams. Like was mentioned earlier Lavi doesn't use numbers in describing the lines because he thinks that all lines are of their own importance. It's not like other team where the 4th liners are not important.

Exactly. I'm tired of the it will hurt his feelings. This is a business and you do what will make you successful. If bringing Cullen on board makes this team successful, then I'm all for it. If JR sees its not in his budget, then that's fine. I'm more than happy having Hamilton center the 3rd line.

JR is going to do what will make this team successful, not on whose feelings might get hurt.

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You really think Hamilton wasn't told what his role will be with this team. JR doesn't seem like the type who would try and trick someone into coming here under false pretenses. I am sure all of this was explained in one way or another. Did Hamilton get brought here to play 3rd line? Yes. But lots of players get shuffled around if they don't fit in with the team plan.

No, as I already stated, I think he was told clearly that he was to be the new 3rd line center. His comments make that evident.

When you sign somewhere and then potentially get demoted without even having a chance to earn your spot is something different. If it plays out that way, I'm not faulting the Canes but it needs to be handled delicately. I say that because not did Belanger become a problem but so did Babchuk. You can't afford more to have it play out again.

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The 3rd line gets significantly more playing time here than the 4th in terms of even strength minutes. The 4th line gets less than 8 mins/game while the 3rd line gets typically 12 minutes or so a game. Where Hamilton loses out is that Cullen, if reacquired, takes over one of the points of the PP and that leaves only 1 spot for a forward on the top 2 units. If Staal stays on the point, Hamilton loses major minutes on PP and he doesn't kill. That's a big difference.

I honestly don't think Hamilton will loose any ground on the PP. JR said so himself. He said that he would like to use Hamilton in a utility role, since he can play center, winger and play the point on the PP

They would probably move Staal back down low where he was more of a threat.

Lavi ideally likes to have his centers play the forward point. I've said many times I think Staal is better utilized by the half-wall but Lavi seems to want to play him on the point because of his playmaking and slapshot. If Cullen comes on board, there is no way it doesn't impact Hamilton's minutes on the PP.

Exactly. I'm tired of the it will hurt his feelings. This is a business and you do what will make you successful. If bringing Cullen on board makes this team successful, then I'm all for it. If JR sees its not in his budget, then that's fine. I'm more than happy having Hamilton center the 3rd line.

Who said anything about "hurt feelings?" You are looking past the dynamics of what just happened. Say you get the chance to get a nice promotion at a more prestigious company and you sign on board. Then a week or so later, after you've already quit your old job, they tell you that you actually aren't going to perform the role that you were hired for but rather a lesser one. I doubt you would be happy to take one for the betterment of the team.

The point is that I hope Hamilton, if it comes to pass, doesn't pull a Belanger or Babchuk type distraction move. If he is upset, it would be understandable. It isn't about hurt feelings but opportunity.

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Well, I think the whole "better in the shootout" thing should be an afterthought. Preferabley, we'd like to win games BEFORE reaching the shootout.

If we aquire Cullen, who's to say Laviolette won't mix it up. We'll start with Cullen, and if he has a particular off-day (or off-streak), we put Hamilton there. JR doesn't break his promise, Hamilton's still playing 3rd line.

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The Rangers still haven't signed Hossa or Avery, right? If so, and they plan on signing those two, the Rangers will have to dump Cullen's 2.8M. I think it would be great to pick him up!

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The Rangers still haven't signed Hossa or Avery, right? If so, and they plan on sighning those two, the Rangers will have to dump Cullen's 2.8M. I think it would be great to pick him up!

Plus they want to grab Souray

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The shootout has greatly varied from season to season. Here's the top 10 shooters in % in 05-06 (minimum 5 shots) and their % in 06-07 next to it.

1. Ray Whitney - 4-for-5 (80%), 0-for-5 (0%)

2. Jussi Jokinen - 10-for-13 (77%), 5-for-12 (41%)

3. Jason Williams - 5-for-7 (71%), 3-for-9 (33%)

3. Petr Sykora - 5-for-7 (71%), 1-for-5 (20%)

3. Paul Kariya - 5-for-7 (71%) 7-for-11 (64%)

3. Slava Kozlov - 5-for-7 (71%), 7-for-11 (63%)

7. Miroslav Satan - 7-for-10 (70%), 5-for-13 (38%)

8. Viktor Kozlov - 8-for-12 (67%), 5-for-13 (38%)

9. Matt Cullen - 6-for-9 (67%), 3-for-8 (38%)

10. Brad Richards - 6-for-9 (67%), 5-for-12 (42%)

So out of the Top 10 shooters in 05-06, only Kariya and S. Kozlov came close to matching their rates this past season. Cullen was among the others who saw a big drop off, yet somehow one of the big reasons we should acquire him is the shootout?

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The shootout has greatly varied from season to season. Here's the top 10 shooters in % in 05-06 (minimum 5 shots) and their % in 06-07 next to it.

1. Ray Whitney - 4-for-5 (80%), 0-for-5 (0%)

2. Jussi Jokinen - 10-for-13 (77%), 5-for-12 (41%)

3. Jason Williams - 5-for-7 (71%), 3-for-9 (33%)

3. Petr Sykora - 5-for-7 (71%), 1-for-5 (20%)

3. Paul Kariya - 5-for-7 (71%) 7-for-11 (64%)

3. Slava Kozlov - 5-for-7 (71%), 7-for-11 (63%)

7. Miroslav Satan - 7-for-10 (70%), 5-for-13 (38%)

8. Viktor Kozlov - 8-for-12 (67%), 5-for-13 (38%)

9. Matt Cullen - 6-for-9 (67%), 3-for-8 (38%)

10. Brad Richards - 6-for-9 (67%), 5-for-12 (42%)

So out of the Top 10 shooters in 05-06, only Kariya and S. Kozlov came close to matching their rates this past season. Cullen was among the others who saw a big drop off, yet somehow one of the big reasons we should acquire him is the shootout?

Obviously when a player is sucessful in the shootout, coaches and goalies will study them to figure out what makes them good. So to be truly good in the shootout, a player has to be constantly innovating new ways to put the puck in the net. Whitney didn't do that, he just dekes and then shoots the puck high glove side. Cullen had the leg kick. People figured it out.

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I would love to have Matt back but Im just not geting to excited untill it happens. As for Hammy, the guy has only been a pro for a year so if he moves to fourth line or mixes it up on 3rd and 4th then he should just deal with it and play hockey. Like people say we dont need another Bellenger, that why bringing Cullen back would be great.

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2.8 mil for a 3rd line center... that should be enough said but for some reason it isnt in these parts.

2.8 is just about the average GAA of our two goalies last year and NEITHER were even in the top 15 goalies in the league.

It's very hard to score 300 goals a year guys, it's very easy to let up 300. We can either try to gain a defensemen at 2.8 mil who can help get our GAA down. Or stack 3 lines again and hope we just flat out outscore everyone. We're losing 4-1 and its the 3rd period with 5 minutes to go? it's ok we can score 6 goals by the flip of a switch.... That doesnt happen every year guys.

You fans of the team prior to our cup year should know better then that.

We need to do something about defense, not our 10 minute a game 3rd line center.

Unless we get a defenseman and a young one at that whose got promise in the deal....why? Just why would we do that?

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2.8 mil for a 3rd line center... that should be enough said but for some reason it isnt in these parts.

2.8 is just about the average GAA of our two goalies last year and NEITHER were even in the top 15 goalies in the league.

It's very hard to score 300 goals a year guys, it's very easy to let up 300. We can either try to gain a defensemen at 2.8 mil who can help get our GAA down. Or stack 3 lines again and hope we just flat out outscore everyone. We're losing 4-1 and its the 3rd period with 5 minutes to go? it's ok we can score 6 goals by the flip of a switch.... That doesnt happen every year guys.

You fans of the team prior to our cup year should know better then that.

We need to do something about defense, not our 10 minute a game 3rd line center.

Unless we get a defenseman and a young one at that whose got promise in the deal....why? Just why would we do that?

Matt Cullen and Paul Mara?

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2.8 mil for a 3rd line center... that should be enough said but for some reason it isnt in these parts.

2.8 is just about the average GAA of our two goalies last year and NEITHER were even in the top 15 goalies in the league.

It's very hard to score 300 goals a year guys, it's very easy to let up 300. We can either try to gain a defensemen at 2.8 mil who can help get our GAA down. Or stack 3 lines again and hope we just flat out outscore everyone. We're losing 4-1 and its the 3rd period with 5 minutes to go? it's ok we can score 6 goals by the flip of a switch.... That doesnt happen every year guys.

You fans of the team prior to our cup year should know better then that.

We need to do something about defense, not our 10 minute a game 3rd line center.

Unless we get a defenseman and a young one at that whose got promise in the deal....why? Just why would we do that?

Matt Cullen and Paul Mara?

are you aware that is close to $6mil in salaries going our way!!

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