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Wow, seems like the ones that are saying "Corvo sucks" and "Eaves sucks" are the same ones that said "*edit* was JR doing claiming Samsonov off of waivers, he blows".

If these two start lighting it up this will be another thread that goes silent, the only sound you will hear is chirping crickets!! LOL

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You sure about that, I had some drinks with him a few months ago and he said he loved it here and was happy to have a secure job here for now. He said the fans during the cup run were unbelivable and he loved it and felt like this was home. where did you get your info about him wanting to leave so bad?

Are you sure? What makes you think a player would say face to face with a fan that he doesn't like being on a team?

:mellow:

*Edit* This player is Commodore thats being disscussed.

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You may not understand this but some people do work, it was the middle of the week so just bolting from work for 2-3 hours of tailgating and parade just isn't possible for most working folks. that being said why couldn't you have just cut class and drove down for both parades!! what is your excuse.

Stop the argument there, your both way off topic...and you know it. Don't ruin the thread for everyone else, and the staff and I will delete any further messages that are unrelated to anything surrounding this trade. If it get sout of hand, we'll lock the thread again.

If you want to continue your argument, do it over private messaging, not on this thread.

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You may not understand this but some people do work, it was the middle of the week so just bolting from work for 2-3 hours of tailgating and parade just isn't possible for most working folks. that being said why couldn't you have just cut class and drove down for both parades!! what is your excuse.

Quit the tit - for - tat. Bottom line, if you didn't attend, you really have no leg to stand on when you complain about the poor turn out. How about our turn outs at the airport? A lot of guys have been quoted as saying those fans hanging out at the airport waiting on the return flights was awesome. These guys knew how much the fan base was stoked about the cup run. And don't forget we didn't sit down. Now these are GIANT!

Now, that being said, if the Cubbies ever win the World Series you better bet I'm cancelling whatever is on my dayplanner and going home to Chi-town for that parade! I'll dance naked in the steet! Wow, that's scary, don't believe I actually said that.

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How bout we actually wait to see them play a few games in a Canes uniform before we start ripping into our new players for bad play?

Seriously, you're probably one of those people who were furious heading into the 2005-2006 season that we didn't pick up any big name help and only picked up a bunch of forwards that wouldn't crack the top 2 lines on any other team, and then ripped JR for getting Samsonov because he only had 4 points on the year before we signed him...

In the end it comes down to this... I trust JR's eyesight for talent and the fit for this team much more than I trust anyone's opinion on here

I think I made it perfectly clear by writing "from all the times I have seen him play in LA and Ottawa" that I have actually seen Corvo play and also added a positive note about him as well with "Corvo will add value but the point is that with its current D roster, they still need another Dman." That's a fair assessment, whether you want to admit or not.

And do yourself and everyone else a favor and quit the the "you're probably one those people..." tripe, ok? If you want to know what I thought, feel free to ask instead of repeating the same thing over and over without any basis.

If you would have asked, I would tell you that I as a long-time season ticket holder I was fine with the additions of Whitney and Stillman b/c I had seen them both extensively when they had previously been in the SE division. I knew they were bargains too, as Whitney's salary was being subsidized by the Wings and Stillman was a steal after the Bolts walked away from the arbitration award. So there you have it. How about you?

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Greetings to our neighbours in the south... I've read most of the posts in this forum and wanted to dispel a few rumours and inconsistencies, as well as the reasons for the trade (some of you seem to think we were robbed!)

First off, I have to say that this is a trade that is great for both teams for different reasons. In Corvo you are going to get a smooth skating, puck moving defenceman with a laser beam shot. This guy is a powerplay specialist in every sense of the word. That's the first thing I wanted to address, we (the fans) DID NOT want this guy out of town. He has been on the trade block forever in the papers, but this is generally not the fans, at least no one I've talked to's, attitude. I personally think his defensive game is really lacking, but he makes up for it in other aspects of the game. The reason we needed him off the books is simply what we currently have, and will have in the future. To start, on the power play we currently have Wade Redden and Andrei Mezaros, both of whom are in the same mold as Corvo and both posses a good shot themselves. Next year we have Brian Lee coming up, another "Wade Redden" type defenceman who is supposedly a smooth skating power play QB type of guy. Clearly, we don't need 3-4 of these (4 if Redden stays which is doubtful). Corvo was making 2.7 as you guys know, and that's just too much on our team for what basically amounts to a #4-5 defenceman (5 when everyone's healthy). Don't get me wrong, he's a really, really underrated player who I think most fans appreciated. However, if you follow the (Sens) news, we've been trying to move Redden all year, and he's now twice refused to waive his no trade clause, so unfortunately Corvo became the expendable one. Be happy Canes fans, he's good (except on the D end but you guys seem to have enough stay at homers).

In Patrick Eaves you are getting a young player who I definitely was sad to see go, but having said that for us he is replaceable. In the Sens' (undisputed) top 4 you have Spezza, Alfie, Heatley and Fisher. After that I'd probably say Vermette is the most skilled player and then it would have been Eaves - if he could stay healthy! (which is key here). The fact of the matter is Eaves is expendable because we have Nick Foligno coming up who pretty much plays the exact type of game, a crash and bang style, that Eaves brought. Both have skills around the net getting the garbage goals and both have a youthful enthusiasm that you just love to see. I really liked Eaves, but he too was expendable. Lets face it, you can go to the UFA market for guys who score 10-20 goals.

In bringing in Stillman and Commodore we are gaining SEVERAL things that we didn't have just yesterday. If any of you follow the Sens, at least in a passing interest, you I'm sure noticed 3 things in the last couple of weeks: 1) our defence is really soft - we did not have a "banger", someone who is tough to play against in front of the net 2) with Heatley and Alfredsson out of the lineup, we had absolutely no secondary scoring. I think we scored something like 5 goals in 3 games, could have been even less. Stillman will definitely help out in this respect. You guys seem to think he's either washed up, or has lost his step or whatever, but from my experience a few things seem to happen when guys get traded to Ottawa - USUALLY (see Tyler Arnason for the exception) they elevate their games and have career highs or at least are better when they are here vs their old teams (see Chara, Yashin, Havlat, Hossa, Heatley, etc). This is not a diss to other teams, but we do seem to have luck in that respect. The ONLY player I can think of that ever was better on another team was Pavol Demitra... and that was a long time ago.

As for Commodore, you guys seem to think he was terrible. Now I admit that I don't know too much about him (and the fact that he was traded to you for a 3rd round pick sends off alarm bells!), but I think he will be exactly what we need. WAAY too often I see Wade Redden being bullied and tossed around, and usually Mezaros (now HIM I wish you would have taken LOL) just standing there. I expect to see teams give him a lot more respect with Commodore there. They also are 2 western farm boys, and I'm hoping that they form instant chemistry, although you never know.

Anyways, I hope you enjoyed my novel :) I really truly believe this is one of those rare trades that both teams "won". We (management anyways) have been trying to dump Corvo's contract for a year now, and that's finally done. We basically gave up Eaves, who, although has potential - its just that - potential. He's probably never going to score 30, but I can see him getting 20 a couple years for sure. I really liked watching him. But, as I stated above, he was expendable because his role is going to be filled next year by a bigger, hopefully more durable player. So it sounds like you got what you wanted, and so did we. Thanks!

And one last thing, I know 99% of you are saying Stillman is definitely coming back, but honestly I wouldn't count your chickens... I admit that I know nothing about his love for your city or whatever, but his family is from Peterborough, he apparently knows several players on this team, and honestly... who wouldn't want to play for a contender? Not a diss to you guys, I really don't understand what's went wrong with your team since you won the cup, but we've signed guys before who were supposedly "definitely" going back to the place we "rented" them from (Smolinski is the example I can think of). So you never know...

Take care and good luck making the playoffs! I hope we don't face you in round 1, we'll have a couple of very motivated players to shut down...

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I'm thinking he must have dual citizenship then, because he played on the 2004 Juniors for Team USA, which won the World Jrs title. He'd be too young to have gone through the whole citizenship process.

My mini violin is playing. Here's to those of us who bought season tickets in 2002-2003, and 2003-2004 when we really and truly stunk up the joint. I'll take those tickets anyday. How much?

Go Cubbies!!!!!!!! Please, in my lifetime!!!!

Other then 1986 the Whalers must have been the worst organization out there!

But since we moved to NC in ten years we won once and went to the final!

I will take that kind of win percentage anyday!

I still bleed Whaler green but I will never forget the cup runs!

Never give up cause one day the tide will turn!

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Thanks for the information Sens4cup! Glad to see another Ottawa fan in this topic (no not me :P ). Its nice seeing fans from other teams talking to us (except for people that trash talk...well maybe sometimes its ok lol)

Haha, yah, I think I can post maturely here. Carolina isn't one of my hated teams, and you guys seem to be enthusiastic and know what you are talking about.

And (I believe) we both really dislike Buffalo? That's a start of a beautiful co-existence I think!

:)

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Haha, yah, I think I can post maturely here. Carolina isn't one of my hated teams, and you guys seem to be enthusiastic and know what you are talking about.

And (I believe) we both really dislike Buffalo? That's a start of a beautiful co-existence I think!

:)

Lol! Yes, there is certainly hate towards Buffalo amonst us Hurricane fans.

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you people on here are nuts!!!!! all of a sudden stillman and commadore are either the worlds worst two hockey players or the worlds two greatest players!!! same goes for the two players coming from ottawa, and there hasn'teven been a game played yet with the new guys. carolina needed several things, everyone agreed we didnt have a top defenceman either offensivly or on D. we have addresed one of those needs. this is just one of the pieces of the puzzle. we still need help in other areas and a top mobil defensive defensman is on that list. we also needed to get younger, eaves does that for us as well as being a skilled player. imsure JR is not doneso why critisize every little move

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Other then 1986 the Whalers must have been the worst organization out there!

But since we moved to NC in ten years we won once and went to the final!

I will take that kind of win percentage anyday!

I still bleed Whaler green but I will never forget the cup runs!

Never give up cause one day the tide will turn!

been to the playoffs three times, finals twice, and won once!!

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First off, I have to say that this is a trade that is great for both teams for different reasons. In Corvo you are going to get a smooth skating, puck moving defenceman with a laser beam shot. This guy is a powerplay specialist in every sense of the word. That's the first thing I wanted to address, we (the fans) DID NOT want this guy out of town. He has been on the trade block forever in the papers, but this is generally not the fans, at least no one I've talked to's, attitude. I personally think his defensive game is really lacking, but he makes up for it in other aspects of the game. The reason we needed him off the books is simply what we currently have, and will have in the future. To start, on the power play we currently have Wade Redden and Andrei Mezaros, both of whom are in the same mold as Corvo and both posses a good shot themselves. Next year we have Brian Lee coming up, another "Wade Redden" type defenceman who is supposedly a smooth skating power play QB type of guy. Clearly, we don't need 3-4 of these (4 if Redden stays which is doubtful). Corvo was making 2.7 as you guys know, and that's just too much on our team for what basically amounts to a #4-5 defenceman (5 when everyone's healthy). Don't get me wrong, he's a really, really underrated player who I think most fans appreciated. However, if you follow the (Sens) news, we've been trying to move Redden all year, and he's now twice refused to waive his no trade clause, so unfortunately Corvo became the expendable one. Be happy Canes fans, he's good (except on the D end but you guys seem to have enough stay at homers).

You seemed to be very educated on the matter and I respect your opinions. I have been to three Sens games this year and beleive that Wade Redden is the crowd's scape goat I noticed most times when he makes an outlet pass the growd GASPS.

A few fan's actually called a couple of Redden turnovers and I saw Corvo's laser beem last week vs the Panthers WOW!

I think Commodore is a real liability this year!

1. He pinches out of nowhere, then is too slow to get back in the play!

(example take a look at his bone head play vs Nashville, that play created a three-on-one

and the eventual game winner in a 1-0 loss during a tight playoff race)

2. It seemed almost every game he is taking real ill advised penalty's that really hurt the team!

3. In his own end, I beleive he is strong but not as defensiveley sound as everybody think's,

otherwise he would have been signed and not traded.

Cory Stillman is a real good free agent and I think he will continue to be just that a FREE AGENT!

1. He is the very best when it comes to turning it up a notch when the regular season is over!

2. Cory Stillman is not making any plans to sell his house and move to the cold winter's of our great country!

All in all the sens have received two players who seemed to be content with allready having won a few cups!

At least that is the way they played for us this year and I have no doubt they will turn it up a notch in Ottawa!

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As for Commodore, you guys seem to think he was terrible. Now I admit that I don't know too much about him (and the fact that he was traded to you for a 3rd round pick sends off alarm bells!), but I think he will be exactly what we need. WAAY too often I see Wade Redden being bullied and tossed around, and usually Mezaros (now HIM I wish you would have taken LOL) just standing there. I expect to see teams give him a lot more respect with Commodore there. They also are 2 western farm boys, and I'm hoping that they form instant chemistry, although you never know.

Good comments overall and thanks for your perspective.

As for Commodore, I've been a vocal critic of his and called several times for him to be traded.

Here's the reality on him, good and bad. He became a character and a fan favorite here as the Cup year wore on but many people forget he was brought in as a depth Dman (hence the 3rd round pick you cited) and was a healthy scratch early in that year several times.

He finally worked his way into the rotation and ultimately found his way into the top pairing with Hedican. He was quite good in that role in large part b/c Hedican's speed could cover for Commodore's mistakes and the Canes effective puck possession offense didn't place an undue burden on the D on many nights. Commodore would play physically, log quality PK time and make his share of ill-timed penalties but overall he was solid.

Last year, his play started to slip and he seemed b/c of injuries to always have new partners where he never recaptured his chemistry with a healthy Hedican. His decision-making became very iffy and he couldn't consistently maintain his gaps. He started a very bad habit of using the free hand which he still hasn't shaken. He also had success, for him anyway, on the offensive side of the puck and put up decent numbers.

That was a nice addition but I think it became a negative when he started to believe he had better offensive instincts than he does and started pinching almost randomly and getting caught. He does that routinely now and is mostly paired with Wesley who is excellent positionally but can't make up for Commodore's mistakes. I fault the coaching staff to an extent for not working with more as his play regressed and he continued to make the same mistakes night-in, night-out

With your better backchecking forwards, a deeper D, and much better outlet passing from the D, you might find him to be a good fit, depending on who he is paired with, as a puck possession system is where he does his best.

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You seemed to be very educated on the matter and I respect your opinions. I have been to three Sens games this year and beleive that Wade Redden is the crowd's scape goat I noticed most times when he makes an outlet pass the growd GASPS.

A few fan's actually called a couple of Redden turnovers and I saw Corvo's laser beem last week vs the Panthers WOW!

I think Commodore is a real liability this year!

1. He pinches out of nowhere, then is too slow to get back in the play!

(example take a look at his bone head play vs Nashville, that play created a three-on-one

and the eventual game winner in a 1-0 loss during a tight playoff race)

2. It seemed almost every game he is taking real ill advised penalty's that really hurt the team!

3. In his own end, I beleive he is strong but not as defensiveley sound as everybody think's,

otherwise he would have been signed and not traded.

I hear you (about being not as sound as everyone thinks). I figured as much - guys who are really great at their positions tend to make more then 1.3 a year and not get traded for 3rd round draft picks.

That being said, he still logged the most ice time on your D from what I've read, and he still brings something we don't have at all on our back end - size. Hopefully the trade rejuvanates everyone involved for both clubs. ALSO, when teams are struggling (this is directed at your untimely pinches comments), sometimes people try and do too much. Hopefully in Ottawa he won't be relied on at all for offence, and he can simplify his game and just provide a tough, physical presence. I'll sure miss Corvo, but it seemed like his days were numbered in Ottawa with the constant trade rumours. And after hearing he wanted to go to an American team, this trade makes even more sense from our perspective. Good on him to suck it up though and play decently, and not whine.

Like I said he'll be missed.

Anyways we're happy, you guys seem happy, so everyone's happy it seems. Good stuff.

As for Redden being our whipping boy, sounds like he's our Commodore to me if you know what I mean. Hopefully Commodore isn't as bad as you guys think. Sometimes certain players just fit well with certain teams (Patrick Sharp anyone?)

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I hear you (about being not as sound as everyone thinks). I figured as much - guys who are really great at their positions tend to make more then 1.3 a year and not get traded for 3rd round draft picks.

That being said, he still logged the most ice time on your D from what I've read, and he still brings something we don't have at all on our back end - size. Hopefully the trade rejuvanates everyone involved for both clubs. ALSO, when teams are struggling (this is directed at your untimely pinches comments), sometimes people try and do too much. Hopefully in Ottawa he won't be relied on at all for offence, and he can simplify his game and just provide a tough, physical presence. I'll sure miss Corvo, but it seemed like his days were numbered in Ottawa with the constant trade rumours. And after hearing he wanted to go to an American team, this trade makes even more sense from our perspective. Good on him to suck it up though and play decently, and not whine.

Like I said he'll be missed.

Anyways we're happy, you guys seem happy, so everyone's happy it seems. Good stuff.

As for Redden being our whipping boy, sounds like he's our Commodore to me if you know what I mean. Hopefully Commodore isn't as bad as you guys think. Sometimes certain players just fit well with certain teams (Patrick Sharp anyone?)

Welcome to our boards, Sens4Cup, your perspective is appreciated. My thoughts on Commodore are about the same as stormrider. I will say, for Ottawa's sake, if Commie is instructed to play D and only D, he will play better. He "tried" to fit in on Lavi's system of jumping in on the rush, pinching, etc., but frankly, he lack's hockey smarts and lacks the speed needed to cover up mistakes. Based on the Ottawa coach or GM's comment yesterday that they wanted a 'physical presence in front of their own net', I think perhaps Ottawa is looking at a different role for Commie, and one that he is better suited for.

Stillman, if he can get back to full health (He's been hampered by some sort of injury that he let slip a couple of weeks ago during a post game interview), will be great for you guys.

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You are comparing getting Corvo and Eaves to getting Recchi and Weight in 2006? You can't be serious??

In fact, I wrote a message to Barry Melrose in 2006 on how I thought that the Weight and Rechhi trades showed that the 'Canes were serious about winning the Cup, and he agreed. I'm sure that his opinion would not be the same about this trade.

are you kidding me??? you are comparing apples to oranges. this is a different season, and we have different needs than we did in 05-06. all everyone has been talking about lately is how we need a puckmoving defenseman. and we got it. he has twice as many points as any d-man we have. and will help out our struggling power play (

). This is what our team needs right now. Getting a veteran player like we did with Recchi and Weight in 06 would not help this team at all. Everyone wanted a big shake up trade.....You got it.

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So Eaves will wear his old number and Corvo will either incur the hex of Anson Carter or get some Paul Coffey mojo. ;)

I vote for Paul Coffey mojo ;)

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So Eaves will wear his old number and Corvo will either incur the hex of Anson Carter or get some Paul Coffey mojo. ;)

I vote for Paul Coffey mojo ;)

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Ok, I'd agree but the retro Paul Coffey mojo (sounds like a new Starbucks flavor), not the Canes' past his prime version. ;)

Agreed, I'm voting for the Edmonton (breaking Bobby Orr's record) version.

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