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I've always thought of him to be a finisher, but with only 2 games of watching him I cant say anything. He's put enough rubber on the net to be a finisher anyway. he's not afriad to shoot and as long as hes not afraid to shoot his goal slump will end.

you would hope it would end, anyways......i sure hope it does. he could find a REALLY good home here with the Canes if he can start to finish ( :lol: ) more

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I've always thought of him to be a finisher, but with only 2 games of watching him I cant say anything. He's put enough rubber on the net to be a finisher anyway. he's not afriad to shoot and as long as hes not afraid to shoot his goal slump will end.

you would hope it would end, anyways......i sure hope it does. he could find a REALLY good home here with the Canes if he can start to finish ( :lol: ) more

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good observation. I assumed Sammy was a good playmaker, as he looks to have VERY good puck handling skills. guess I was wrong

That's what I was getting from all the things said about his play on other teams. He has lots of skill but no finish. That's basically a playmaker, who needs to have at least one scorer to pass to on his line to really produce. Without that finish he really can't be a true scorer.

That doesn't mean that a playmaker can't score, either. When they are put with a good scorer it opens up the possibility for them to score more, as there are multiple threats to defend against on the ice and so the goalie/defense allow better shooting lanes for the playmaker if they shift to cover the scorer. It's just that they've got a good mind for making plays on the ice, and it's much easier to get a goal if you've got help than to do it all yourself.

I'd list the other playmakers on the team as Whitney, Cullen, and Stillman. Different styles and skills, but all are great at setting up others, and once they do they start lighting up the scoreboard themselves, too. Something I can see of Samsonov if only he is put with the right line.

Others may disagree, but that's how I see it.

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He also had 16 points in the first 19 games he played after he was acquired by Edmonton in '05-'06. Just ask Montreal fans how he followed that performance up the next season. History would indicate that Samsonov is much more likely to return to obscurity with a lengthy contract than he is to continue to produce at the pace that he finished last year.

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so is JR's prescription. never question.

I wouldn't say that there have been plenty of moves that didn't turn out as well as hoped. Hamilton, Tverdosky, Ozolinsh, Kaberle, bringing back Vasicek....and don't get me started on his drafting mistakes. JR makes mistakes, he just has made dazilling moves that make up for them. Plus I don't think there is a GM in the legaue who hasn't made questionable moves.

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I wouldn't say that there have been plenty of moves that didn't turn out as well as hoped. Hamilton, Tverdosky, Ozolinsh, Kaberle, bringing back Vasicek....and don't get me started on his drafting mistakes. JR makes mistakes, he just has made dazilling moves that make up for them. Plus I don't think there is a GM in the legaue who hasn't made questionable moves.

Great point. All GMs make mistakes, but what I like about JR is that there is NO question that he wants this team to be successful and has the team's best interest in mind. He will do what it takes to make a winner.

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He also had 16 points in the first 19 games he played after he was acquired by Edmonton in '05-'06. Just ask Montreal fans how he followed that performance up the next season. History would indicate that Samsonov is much more likely to return to obscurity with a lengthy contract than he is to continue to produce at the pace that he finished last year.

Just ask Montreal fans? :unsure: Why not just ask Boston fan where he AVERAGED 57.6 pts in 5 seasons. He had 11 pts in 8 games before injury shortened his 6th season with the Bruins. In 2006 Samsonov had 68 pts with Boston and Edmonton.

So far there is no obscurity to fall from. After Montreal mismanaged a 60 pt per game player, Chicago, according to coach and fans, wasn't really given much of a chance. With the Canes he is back on track to be a very productive player.

Joe, if we are going to cite history, perhaps we should go back more than a season or 2. You being a Canes fan, I wonder what it is really is about Samsonov that has you so negative about an outstanding addition to our team? It surely isn't history. :rolleyes:

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How exactly did Montreal mis-manage him? They paid him and he didn't produce, doesn't sound like their problem. He also started this season with what amounts to second-line minutes for Chicago and didn't produce there either. It was his play that landed him on the waiver wire, not the fact that Chicago couldn't manage him. I'd like to see him return to the player that he was for Boston, but if he didn't do it for either Chicago or Montreal I don't like the chances of it to happen here.

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How exactly did Montreal mis-manage him? They paid him and he didn't produce, doesn't sound like their problem. He also started this season with what amounts to second-line minutes for Chicago and didn't produce there either. It was his play that landed him on the waiver wire, not the fact that Chicago couldn't manage him. I'd like to see him return to the player that he was for Boston, but if he didn't do it for either Chicago or Montreal I don't like the chances of it to happen here.

The key word there is he started the season on the 2nd line. Do you know how long he was on the 2nd line before he was bumped? It wasn't long. Then he was moved down to the 3rd and the 4th, and then sent to the press box all together. And people questioned why he wasn't producing as much as normal. It couldn't have been the decreased minutes on the 3rd and 4th line, so I wonder... :rolleyes:

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The XM guys upon hearing that Samsonov was re-signed, noted that it will remain to be seen which Samsonov shows up for Carolina now that he is on the team permanently.

He obviously showed he can play in our system, it just does remain to be seen if he will show up on a consistent basis. It's a gamble I think we should be willing to take, the upside is very good. In my opinion, I give it a 70-30 chance it will work out for all of us.

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How exactly did Montreal mis-manage him? They paid him and he didn't produce, doesn't sound like their problem. He also started this season with what amounts to second-line minutes for Chicago and didn't produce there either. It was his play that landed him on the waiver wire, not the fact that Chicago couldn't manage him. I'd like to see him return to the player that he was for Boston, but if he didn't do it for either Chicago or Montreal I don't like the chances of it to happen here.

it wasn't his play that landed him on the waiver wire so much as Chicago going with a more youthful lineup. Personally he is a good forward, fun to watch play and I for one am glad I will get the opportunity to watch him for three more years.

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How exactly did Montreal mis-manage him? They paid him and he didn't produce, doesn't sound like their problem. He also started this season with what amounts to second-line minutes for Chicago and didn't produce there either. It was his play that landed him on the waiver wire, not the fact that Chicago couldn't manage him. I'd like to see him return to the player that he was for Boston, but if he didn't do it for either Chicago or Montreal I don't like the chances of it to happen here.

Since he came back for a second season with neither Montreal nor Chicago nor Edmonton, let's look at how he did coming back for a second season. For Boston he did quite well his second season and his third, fourth and fifth. So the only history we have is the Boston history with him coming back a second season. Since he did quite well in Boston repeatedly, I would say his chances of doing well here are very good, about 4 to 1. The odds I'd give those with negativitus here on this board if I were a betting man, are about 4 to 1.,

We see the world through our own eyes. What we think about Samsonov tanking it, says more about us than Samsonov. :unsure:

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it wasn't his play that landed him on the waiver wire so much as Chicago going with a more youthful lineup. Personally he is a good forward, fun to watch play and I for one am glad I will get the opportunity to watch him for three more years.

i agree. in addition chicago has big contracts with havlat and robert lang, so regardless samsonov was going to be moved.

with the immediate success of kane & toews along with tuomo, you are correct that chicago was marketing YOUTH which generated instant attention, not only in chicago but nation wide.

samsonov played minimal minutes with yanic perreault(who really couldn't keep up speed-wise) and adam burish, a rookie that was more of a defensive specialist.

he was not given the opportunity to play alongside robert lang other than a shift here or there.

samsonov fell into 2 bad situations. he never lost his game. to step in his 1st game with carolina and fit in immediately speaks volumes.

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From 1997-2006 Sampsonov scored or was on pace to score 20-30 goals per season or projected if he had played a full season. Mostly just under a point a game player. Then he gets traded, gets bounced around for a couple of years and his productivity plummets. At that point the question was: Is it that Sampsonov can't play, or was he a victim of circumstances? Most of the league figured he was done. JR though otherwise. Sampsonov came in with new life and an offensive system where he was wanted as an intergral offensive player. He responded big time. He has proven he can still play at a very high level. He does so many things well. Whether he still has it is no longer in question. The risk is very small that he will not produce. He is back. Take it to the bank. His performance at the end of the year could have only come from a highly skilled, smart, motivated hockey player. I for one am ecstatic that we signed him. Also shows that JR is going to make the key moves to improve the team.

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It was a contract year, every player is motivated in their contract year as their future is on the line. That is why I felt the best move would've been a one-year deal. Now with a three-year deal, I question just how motivated he'll be for a complete regular season schedule.

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It was a contract year, every player is motivated in their contract year as their future is on the line. That is why I felt the best move would've been a one-year deal. Now with a three-year deal, I question just how motivated he'll be for a complete regular season schedule.

It was a contract year in Chicago as well. Funny how he didn't seem to play there.

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It was a contract year, every player is motivated in their contract year as their future is on the line. That is why I felt the best move would've been a one-year deal. Now with a three-year deal, I question just how motivated he'll be for a complete regular season schedule.

Even with a three year deal he is $2.5mil average so that type of player is easier to move than what he was making (which was why he was placed on waivers and then on re-entry waivers, i am sure Chicago tried to get some takers for his entire salary with no luck). I think you might be missing the bigger picture here, Sammy isn't about the money - had he waited until July 1st then someone else would have paid him more than we did. Sammy knows he was given another chance to play by us, I doubt he will reward that with a slack performance. As you have observed since his arrival, he comes to play!! He is also no youngster and knows that if he doesn't play then there may be no other teams out there that will give him this chance.

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It was a contract year, every player is motivated in their contract year as their future is on the line. That is why I felt the best move would've been a one-year deal. Now with a three-year deal, I question just how motivated he'll be for a complete regular season schedule.

Not every player is motivated by a "contract year", some just love to play the game and to have the opportunity to play the big minutes. As Sammy said "money means nothing" (or something to that effect.

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Not every player is motivated by a "contract year", some just love to play the game and to have the opportunity to play the big minutes. As Sammy said "money means nothing" (or something to that effect.

Yeah, we've heard the "money means nothing" statement before. Right before a certain player went and took the biggest paycheck he could find.

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Sampsonov had 7 very productive seasons before the trades started. Then he dropped off. I don't think it was a contract issue. It was something about how he was used and how he felt with teams other than Boston. The way he has responded and produced here indicates that he feels like he did in Boston. If he stays healthy he will score 30 + goals next year. Then the 3 year contract will look almost as smart as picking him up off waivers was.

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It was a contract year, every player is motivated in their contract year as their future is on the line. That is why I felt the best move would've been a one-year deal. Now with a three-year deal, I question just how motivated he'll be for a complete regular season schedule.

So you give him a one year contract, he continues his play, say he notches 60 points, now you will have to pay more than $2.5M to retain him. Is giving him a one year deal really worth it?

I'm only going off the comments from Sergei himself, and from what he's said, I think the guy is truely happy here and has finally found a place outside of Boston that he is comfortable in. If he had problems his whole career, then yeah, the negatives have a point, but he didn't loose his skill and he proved that. He isn't lazy as some Habs fans like to say he is. I honestly think this guy has learned from his experiences in Monteral/Chicago and it will only make him a better player.

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So you give him a one year contract, he continues his play, say he notches 60 points, now you will have to pay more than $2.5M to retain him. Is giving him a one year deal really worth it?

I'm only going off the comments from Sergei himself, and from what he's said, I think the guy is truely happy here and has finally found a place outside of Boston that he is comfortable in. If he had problems his whole career, then yeah, the negatives have a point, but he didn't loose his skill and he proved that. He isn't lazy as some Habs fans like to say he is. I honestly think this guy has learned from his experiences in Monteral/Chicago and it will only make him a better player.

Good points here.

Also, by re-signing Sammy we will have to trade one of our top 9 forwards...possibly one that is signed for a couple more years. Just for the sake of showing what I mean, say we re-sign Sammy to a 1-year, trade Whitney, then Samsonov has a great year and wants more money so he walks. You've essentially lost two forwards then instead of just one.

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