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There is no way on earth that the Leafs are going to share their building with another NHL team. And as for the Ricoh Coliseum that is way too small for an NHL team. It seats less than 10,000.

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Slashers..good one! :lol:

and Adam Graves would be the first coach :lol:

for those who dont know in 92 Graves wicked cheap slash on Mario Lemieux was horrid. Although Ronnie Francis did step up to help defeat the Broadway Blueshirts. I can always remember him scoring from Center Ice on Richter.

Here is a referesher on that

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Possibly or is it a negotiation tool to test the waters in Ontario and see how much the Leafs jump while he sees what he can get from Waterloo or maybe even KC? I still think it play is Waterloo/KW but no one really knows even if he has a deal with Copps. The city and Basille met but even many people in the city are thinking they may be a negotiation tool so maybe this closes the deal. I think Hamilton will be the best place but who knows. I still say he will back out or be pushed out.

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TSN Headline: "Steel City Predators?"

I guess Hamilton is Canada's Steel City, but I was surprised when I first read that because I was thinking of Pittsburgh... which is where he wanted to take a team from a few months ago.

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That would be interesting.

41 miles away from Toronto and 71 miles from Buffalo.

Another mob of fans invading our arena. :rolleyes:

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Looks like Hamilton just may be the place. The Hamilton Preds????

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=210671&hubname=

Possibly or is it a negotiation tool to test the waters in Ontario and see how much the Leafs jump while he sees what he can get from Waterloo or maybe even KC? I still think it play is Waterloo/KW but no one really knows even if he has a deal with Copps. The city and Basille met but even many people in the city are thinking they may be a negotiation tool so maybe this closes the deal. I think Hamilton will be the best place but who knows. I still say he will back out or be pushed out.

He has a HUGE deal with the city of Hamilton, to run Copps Colliseum, Convention Centre, and Hamilton Place for 20 years if he brings a team there. The whole K/W conspiracy theory was started by TSN sport analysts, because they're idiots and I've yet to hear even word about Balsillie's interests in Kansas City.

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Folks visit Sin City for one of two reasons: gambling and sampling the local practitioners of the world's oldest profession. (PM me if you're unclear on that concept. :P )

what is that?? "clubbing" LOL

Not quite, my friend: *edited for content*

:P

Jan/GSBG

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Folks visit Sin City for one of two reasons: gambling and sampling the local practitioners of the world's oldest profession. (PM me if you're unclear on that concept. :P )

what is that?? "clubbing" LOL

Not quite, my friend: *edited for content*

:P

Jan/GSBG

various forms of escort service....

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Well, Hoyle may have to lose that habs hat and become a preds fan. It looks if the preds do move ( and I'm sure they will eventually) . The only canadian city they will go to will be Hamilton. I would have like to see Winnipeg or Quebec but any Canadian city is great with me. After hearing about only 15,000 showing up in Anaheim to celebrate the cup. Who could argue with starting to put hockey back where it's appreciated...thoughts?

FW.....

I will always hold Montreal as my number one team. The same could be said about majority of the Leaf/Habs fans in the Hamilton area, but that doesn't mean people in Hamilton wouldn't still cheer for an NHL team in Hamilton. It would be the first time the city would be able to party as a community for a major professional sports team that carries their own city's name.

For example, my closest friends and I are practically 50/50-Habs/Leafs. Hamilton NHL games would be a blast because we'd all be able to support the same cause.

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Well, Hoyle may have to lose that habs hat and become a preds fan. It looks if the preds do move ( and I'm sure they will eventually) . The only canadian city they will go to will be Hamilton. I would have like to see Winnipeg or Quebec but any Canadian city is great with me. After hearing about only 15,000 showing up in Anaheim to celebrate the cup. Who could argue with starting to put hockey back where it's appreciated...thoughts?

FW.....

I will always hold Montreal as my number one team. The same could be said about majority of the Leaf/Habs fans in the Hamilton area, but that doesn't mean people in Hamilton wouldn't still cheer for an NHL team in Hamilton. It would be the first time the city would be able to party as a community for a major professional sports team that carries their own city's name.

For example, my closest friends and I are practically 50/50-Habs/Leafs. Hamilton NHL games would be a blast because we'd all be able to support the same cause.

Good man Hoyle....stick with those habs!!! Good luck to your city though, might be a very exciting time up there. After reading about that huge turnout in Anaheim to celebrate the cup(lol....15,000) I can't agree more to bring teams to true hockey markets.....the experimenting IS OVER

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In all honesty.....

No one up here is too excited about this potential move. It's not that no one wants a team, it's that Hamilton has been fed this bone too many times for anyone to jump on the ban wagon, only to be left disappointed in the end. If it happens, everyone will go crazy, but if it doesn't, no one will lose sleep, because that's what everyone is expecting to happen.

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i havent seen anyone mention houston. i think that would work best of all.

other possibilities......

portland (probably too small a market though)

indianapolis

oklahoma city (look how they supported the hornets)

kansas city

as far as charlotte, i dont think that would work at all, for multiple reasons. firstly, two hockey teams in NC? no way. secondly, charlotte fans dont support very well. seems NC is a college sports and nascar area. yeh the panthers do ok, but there's only 8 game a year, and they're all on weekends. charlotte stopped supporting the hornets, despite them being in the playoffs, and they dont sell out the bobcats at all. charlotte's not quite atlanta, the worst sports city in america, but it's not a good one either.

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I really don't believe any of those markets would work.....Haven't we seen enough evidence that expanding into non-hockey markets isn't working and I believe actually hurts the league. When we see half empty arenas for the 3rd best team in the league ( Nashville) , 15,000 show up for a cup celebration in Anaheim. I think its time to re-think what cities get to the head of the line. Why is it that some continue to push these non-hockey markets. Please, don't use the same old arguement. Until the NHL fixes itself , which will take many years. they need to stop going into mystery markets. Indianapolis,Las vegas,Kansas city ( which bombed once before)and they will take anything just to fill that arena, those are not hockey markets and never will be. Why should the NHL put a team there when the want isn't there from the city....just so they can move again after 10 years and furthur embarass the league.

I also have a list of cities that actually want teams....Winnipeg, Hamilton,Quebec and guess my other one. If the NHL wants to expand fine, I don't think they should right now but if they do, those are the cities they need to go. Bettmans plan, although he meant well is not working. The majority of people in the U.S don't care, it shows in attendance, tv ratings and the NHL's inability to land a tv contract. The NHL's own versus didn't show the awards until after 11:00 ( thats what I heard anyway...not sure though)

How can anyone can justify taking a chance on Vegas, Kansas city, or Houston right now is beyond me and if anyone actually thinks thats a good idea then they do not have the best interest of the league in mind and are probably the same people who call for new rules to make the game more exciting. Again, most people think this sport is a joke and they don't care. The NHL needs to figure out why that is and repair their image. Showing a game on versus in Kansas city, Nashville to half empty arenas isn't going to help. What looks good......21,000 fans every night at a habs game, a couple of hundred thousand showing up if they would win the cup or packed houses in Philly for one of the worst teams in the league Thats what this league needs more of.

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When we see half empty arenas for the 3rd best team in the league ( Nashville)

That looks like a lot more than it really is. Look at the size of their arena. It can hold, what, 15-16K? That means they could sell out every game the entire year and still be down at the bottom of the list for attendance over the entire season. (At least that's how it was explained to me by a Preds fan).

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I'm talking actual butts in seats, anyway. I don't want get into small details about this. It's how I feel and I feel I'm right about this. Others feel their right about their opinions and thats that ( even though their wrong :lol: )

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Apparantly hartford should just get Boston--obviously the experiment in working there, or Chicago or NJ or St. Louis or the Isle.

Any coincidence that of the 6 worst attended teams, 3 are within an easy drive from Hartford?

I personally don't see any reason to expand--I would rather see contraction if anything--but if people truly want hockey to succeed, it MUST find a way to expand viewership in non-traditional markets. Otherwise only those people within 100 miles of the Canadian boarder will care. And what will the NHL become---just an icy version of the CFL. No more Ovechkin, Sundin, Selanne, Kipper, Lundquist and crew. All the Euros will stay in Europe and maybe even some of the North Americans playing in the NHL will go to the Euro leagues for more money.

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I also have a list of cities that actually want teams....Winnipeg, Hamilton,Quebec and guess my other one. If the NHL wants to expand fine, I don't think they should right now but if they do, those are the cities they need to go. Bettmans plan, although he meant well is not working. The majority of people in the U.S don't care, it shows in attendance, tv ratings and the NHL's inability to land a tv contract. The NHL's own versus didn't show the awards until after 11:00 ( thats what I heard anyway...not sure though)

The US might not care, but there's no denying that if the NHL could get the US to care, it would cause a huge boost to the NHL. Look at football. You got the Super Bowl, which usually has over 100 million viewers in the US. You've got college football games, which can seat over 100,000. And even high school football games occasionally get 10,000 fans.

Moving the teams to Canada would be fine in the short run, but if the teams stay in the US, the potential for success would be much, much greater in the long run. They just need to tap into the US market, a big part of which is the TV contract. Versus isn't going to cut it. If you want to attract Americans, you need to get on one of the ESPNs.

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i guess i should have clarified...i want talking about expansion, but relocation. no i dont think they should expand at all. there are probably a few too many teams already.

moving teams into traditionally non-hockey markets CAN work though. the best example of this would be dallas, which has filled the arena for years. also the canes are an example, as is tampa. even the florida panthers, who are in a terrible sports town, has shown they can draw when they have a good team. the california teams, while they may not have the huge numbers of fans, have a solid base. their arenas are consistently full.

i'm with you though on no expansion.

glad the pens will get to stay in pittsburgh

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healthy attendance is 16,500.....Florida isn't close to that, so no they aren't an example of a healthy move to the south. Tampa and Dallas are though.

Boston, St. Louis, NYI, and Chicago are all weak teams who have struggled for a long time. Those teams don't scare me. What scares me are the highly successful teams who are below 16,500 like Nashville, Atlanta, Anaheim,

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