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Do you have a link to prove that? I haven't read anywhere that he does have a no-trade-clause. I believe he had one on his previous contract here, but I haven't seen it written anywhere that he had one on his latest contract.

I'll have to do some searching but I know I read it in the news article back in '06 when his new contract was reported ...

Edited to add: it was a contract extension in 2006, so if he had a NTC on the previous contract it would have carried forward into the extension unless specifically excluded.

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I could see us trading Brindy at the deadline to a young team who will be making the playoffs for the first time in a while and who is looking for some veteran leadership (such as Chicago, Columbus, possibly St Louis or LA). Aso his salary does go down to 3 mil for the last two years of his contract.

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I could see us trading Brindy at the deadline to a young team who will be making the playoffs for the first time in a while and who is looking for some veteran leadership (such as Chicago, Columbus, possibly St Louis or LA). Aso his salary does go down to 3 mil for the last two years of his contract.

2 letters. O and N

use those 2, turn them around and you get the answer to if that will happen.

Roddy will be a Cane through the end of his contract - if his final year the team is not going to make the playoffs, I could see a rental type situation. But not now.

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You think fans complain about the team and Laviolette now, imagine what would happen if you brought in the River Rats playing against NHL guys.

Actually, we don't have to imagine; it happened last year due to injuries and we looked a whole lot better with Aucoin, Bayda, Conboy, and Borer than we do these days!

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I wouldn't trade Brindy, but would spot him more. His TOI is excessive. Nothing wrong with that, and starting the transition to Staal.

I agree with this. Move Cullen up to the 2nd and give Brind'Amour lessor even strength minutes and then PP time. That should put him in/around 12-15 mins per game. I think this would be a good number for him. He might have a hard time taking lesser minutes, but with time, I think he'll get used to it and his body may just thank him.

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Here is the problem. Rod was the center of the Cup win several years ago and became apart of the Hurricanes by doing so. Here are my two cents.

1. He is now the "CAPTAIN" and is being paid far more than his worth. Your Captain needs to have a lot of TOI because they need to lead by example and control the intensity and emotion on the ice when necessary. The kind of performance expected from a Captain puts Brindy in danger of being injured. He is getting the typical Captain TOI but his performance lately looks like he is still recovering but also protecting himself from another season ending injury and it isn't working.

OPTION: Pass the "C" to Staal and drop Rod down to the 3rd line. If Rod doesn't like it then give him the option to be traded.

2. To establish a hockey team where players know they will be treated right and in return be willing to sign at a discount which is a crucial factor for success in the NHL since the lockout....the Hurricanes, should treat players right. However, signing a 37 year old to a 5 year contract more than their worth is not a good idea of treating players fairly. JR is the reason for our current problem. We have to make sure that everything we do going forward with Brindy is first-class and hanging on to a few veteran leaders such as Brindy is a good idea if his performance and TOI isn't detrimental to winning.

OPTION: Trade Rod with class or give him an incentive to retire early.

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Rod is the C and need to remain the C for the dedication he's made to this team and the game. Reducing his ice time makes sense if he is naturally slowing down. Give more time to younger players if they produce better result (i've yet to see). Trading BA will likely not bring any better player in return.

Problem is Staal. This kid is making major money but delivering minor returns. If he is in a pout mode because he does not have a C on his jersery, then he's not ready for it. Look at the team stats, BA and Staal have basically the same points. Rod is doing good for an aging player, on pace for +20 goals. 20 goals for $$$$ Staal is horrid value.

This team needs to focus on getting Staal and Samsonov rolling and not concern about who's wearing the C

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Rod is the C and need to remain the C for the dedication he's made to this team and the game. Reducing his ice time makes sense if he is naturally slowing down. Give more time to younger players if they produce better result (i've yet to see). Trading BA will likely not bring any better player in return.

Problem is Staal. This kid is making major money but delivering minor returns. If he is in a pout mode because he does not have a C on his jersery, then he's not ready for it. Look at the team stats, BA and Staal have basically the same points. Rod is doing good for an aging player, on pace for +20 goals. 20 goals for $$$$ Staal is horrid value.

This team needs to focus on getting Staal and Samsonov rolling and not concern about who's wearing the C

You are seeing exactly opposite of everyone else! The "C" needs to be transferred and his minutes reduced!

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Trading BA will likely not bring any better player in return.

At this point, Brind'Amour would simply be moved to clear salary to re-sign Ruutu in the offseason and clear the way for Staal to take this team over. I wouldn't expect much more than a mid-level prospect or draft pick in return.

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Well, now that everyone is over on the "Lavi was just sacked" thread, I will add this to mine.

It appears that Roddy has a reprieve. Now that we have a new coach, we shall see if his and Staal's poor play was related to tiring of Laviolette.

Now that Lavi is gone we will see if it was the coach or the players. If, over the next 10 games Staal and Brind'Amour reassert their stardom, then clearly they were just tired of the coach. It is possible, I really hope so, because if we get Staal and Brindy back, we will be suddenly in great shape.

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Well, now that everyone is over on the "Lavi was just sacked" thread, I will add this to mine.

It appears that Roddy has a reprieve. Now that we have a new coach, we shall see if his and Staal's poor play was related to tiring of Laviolette.

Now that Lavi is gone we will see if it was the coach or the players. If, over the next 10 games Staal and Brind'Amour reassert their stardom, then clearly they were just tired of the coach. It is possible, I really hope so, because if we get Staal and Brindy back, we will be suddenly in great shape.

Amen Remkin. We will see how much of an impact a new coach will have on this team. I don't think its going to add 5 years of youth back into Brindy's legs. I don't see the new coaching staff changing up the lines either. JR made a huge error and I hope that he proves me wrong!

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Well, now that everyone is over on the "Lavi was just sacked" thread, I will add this to mine.

It appears that Roddy has a reprieve. Now that we have a new coach, we shall see if his and Staal's poor play was related to tiring of Laviolette.

Now that Lavi is gone we will see if it was the coach or the players. If, over the next 10 games Staal and Brind'Amour reassert their stardom, then clearly they were just tired of the coach. It is possible, I really hope so, because if we get Staal and Brindy back, we will be suddenly in great shape.

The shame of all this to me is that with Williams on the verge of returning, the whole team should be more effective. That should be true whether Lavi or Mo is behind the bench. I had hoped that having Williams back would get Lavi over the hump or out of the rut (choose your own metaphor). Lavi doesn't get that opportunity now and its a shame.

If Williams reenergizes the team now, MO will get all the credit and everyone will say it was a good thing to dump Lavi. Life is so unfair.

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It is time to look at Management, this was never PL team. Time for the GM to step up. Maybe he could visit Congress and get a bail out!

One can argue about the ultimate root problem, but the fundamental problem is that we are failing to score goals at an alarming non-rate, and further, our top 2 star centers are playing poorly and we can't generate any offense without them.

I have a radical solution, but I'll post it later.

We are 24th/30 in the NHL in goals scored per game. We are 29th/30 on the power play. This is not Cane's hockey, and were it not for improved goaltending, we would be fading even faster. So, Q: Who's responsible for generating scoring? A: Our top two lines. Who centers those lines?

Staal: His stats are bloated by one great game (hat trick) and 2 empty netters. Even with those 5 goals his shooting % is 7.7%. That is not good. But without those empty netters and the hat trick, Staal has 2 goals in 24 games. This is from a guy who double shifts, plays on all power plays and cheats to offense. Why do we suck? You really don't need to look much further than here, but as if that weren't bad enough.....

Brind'Amour: The cagey veteran still has some moves around the goal left in him, and he has potted 7 goals, (all from standing about 5 feet out, but goals still), and the man can still win a face off. But this 2 time Selke winner is in serious danger of winning the "Anti-Selke" trophy for worst defensive center in the entire league. His -17 is the worst of all players in the entire NHL, 18% worse than the second to last guy. This, despite his goals. This from a man whose game and career are built on being a two-way player. Right now he is playing one way. The wrong way.

These are the guys that need to be our stars. They center our top two (non) scoring lines. The staggering lack of high quality play from these two guys is THE problem on this team. You simply cannot have your two biggest stars in a major funk and win.

Samsonov and Eaves have been busts to date, but they are role players, and guys who feed off of the stars. When the stars are not producing......

Is this due to the coach? I really doubt it, but it is possible that the leaders on the team have had it with the coach. If this is true, then JR should know what needs to happen.

If it is not the coach, then what? Brind'Amour has been the heart and soul of this organization for a long time. He may not have much trade value even if that were doable.

Staal? Can't trade him. If he is injured, that would explain a lot. But he is only marginally effective currently.

What is JR to do? If it doesn't improve, we will bob up and down and miss the playoffs by a few games. I have a radical idea of what I would do, but what would you do to improve the center position on our top two lines? Or do you think that everything's fine there?

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It is time to look at Management, this was never PL team. Time for the GM to step up. Maybe he could visit Congress and get a bail out!

It was never PL's team and it shows. Here is how - when a team pays big bucks to a player and that player doesn't produce and hasn't produced at the caliber necessary for success yet they still get the opportunity day in and day out - then you know it isn't the coach running the team. That is the GM covering up their poor financial and business decision. A coach wants to win and will put the guy on the ice who can get the job done. Not create opportunity around a player who is over paid and not good enough to make it successful.

Best of luck PL!

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Well after last night, I think that this topic is still relevant. When I suggested we do something like trade Brind'Amour, I thought I would get flamed, but I am reading the same and hearing it on other threads and call in shows, to my surprise.

The coach was not the problem. Agreed, a change needed to be made. But JR was covering his own position by firing the coach. Throwing the fans some meat because he can't address the real problem and had to do something.

I say again, the problem is in the center of the ice. Staal looked a little better last night and almost made a couple of things happen. Still, superstars make things happen, not almost make things happen. I am convinced he is hurt. But what if only surgery will fix it? With Brind'Amour playing like he's suddenly 50, we would have one proven NHL center if Staal went out. We can win without Brind'Amour, we did it last year. We will not go far without Staal.

Brind'Amour is done. He still has skills out the wazoo, but just doesn't have the motor. He may be playing hurt, but we are 2 months post his "clean up" scope, and he is compiling minuses like Lehman Brothers and Countrywide. He is eating up over 20 minutes a game. Cullen is playing dramatically better, but no one wants to offend the captain, so Brind'Amour keeps going out there, and the opposition keeps beating him.

The thing is, what do you do? If you sit them both, you have Cullen and then no proven NHL centers. Sutter is going to be very good, but he is a rookie. We are stuck. Can't get much for Brind'Amour and Staal is not going be traded. Plus, JR and coaches are not going to provoke a guy (Brindy) that caries so much built up good will and gravitas. Brind'Amour will probably have to suggest it, and so far he is in denial.

And the dilema goes further than being stuck at center. The team itself needs to make the playoffs. Missing 3 years in a row, just to go into rebuilding mode is not what the ownership has in mind as good PR. So, on the one hand, we could benefit long term, by just letting Brind'Amour ride this team down to the bottom and get the top pick and gratiously let him move upstairs next year, but needing the playoffs the team can't really afford to do that.

So, you fire the coach, bring in a new coach to try to play defense and grind out an improbable playoff spot with the team we have. Takes some heat off the GM. Doesn't fix the problem though.

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Brind'Amour is done. He still has skills out the wazoo, but just doesn't have the motor. He may be playing hurt, but we are 2 months post his "clean up" scope, and he is compiling minuses like Lehman Brothers and Countrywide. He is eating up over 20 minutes a game. Cullen is playing dramatically better, but no one wants to offend the captain, so Brind'Amour keeps going out there, and the opposition keeps beating him.

remkin, I'll offer a glimer of hope, I think a positive step was taken last night. As I mentioned in the post game analysis thread, Brindy only played 17:28 last night. This was his LOWEST ice time total of the season! I hope it was not a fluke and Mo will keep Brindy at no more than 20 shifts for 16-17 minutes for a stretch of games to see if it will help him regain some resemblance of his former self.

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remkin, I'll offer a glimer of hope, I think a positive step was taken last night. As I mentioned in the post game analysis thread, Brindy only played 17:28 last night. This was his LOWEST ice time total of the season! I hope it was not a fluke and Mo will keep Brindy at no more than 20 shifts for 16-17 minutes for a stretch of games to see if it will help him regain some resemblance of his former self.

I really do hope you're right. I hate being so negative. Brind'Amour has been an amazing player and leader for this team for a long time. But as much as I hate being part of calling him out, I hate paying $$$, clearing a night, driving two hours to Raleigh and back and watching what I am seeing night after night even more. I can watch that on TV and fast forward with much less time and money spent.

Perhaps Lavi had to be fired to get a coach in here who could reduce Brind'Amour's minutes and not worry about the repercussions. It is an interesting angle. Apparently Maurice is buds with JR and Francis, and he's on a short term kind of deal anyway. Hmmmm. That might border on genius.

I truely hope that Brind'Amour suddenly clicks and still has it. If not though, it will be very interesting to see how Maurice handles it.

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Red Storm I think you might be right. Coming off the injury and at his age , Less might be More for the captain.

He did look better last night in the early going.

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Red Storm I think you might be right. Coming off the injury and at his age , Less might be More for the captain.

He did look better last night in the early going.

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Rod is highly respected and doubt he'd be traded.

He is useful, but not in the role he has right now. He needs to be a checking line forward, and a PK specialist, but I don't know if rutherford would be willing to admit he made a mistake signing him to such a ridiculous extension by demoting him to a more limited role.

I think how Mo and JR handle Rod after the next 5 or 6 games (barring some miracle that his line goes on some scoring hot streak) will show how much this team is willing to make change to win. i don't care what the stats say, Cullen is getting his game going finally, and he is doing better than Rod in every aspect outside of the face-off circle. The guy is like on pace to be like -60 something.

Granted staal isn't playing well either, but I know he's a plus player, and we don't have anyone else who can play the 1st line right now.

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Rod is highly respected and doubt he'd be traded.

He is useful, but not in the role he has right now. He needs to be a checking line forward, and a PK specialist, but I don't know if rutherford would be willing to admit he made a mistake signing him to such a ridiculous extension by demoting him to a more limited role.

Help me understand this line of reasoning. Why are so many posters on this thread treating the Brindy contract extension as though it were a major Rutherford mistake? Wasn't it clear in 2006 that JR was rewarding Brindy with a contract that said "You've done some great things for our club and there's always a place for you in this organization!"? I don't recall any expectation that Brindy would continue to be a top producer "on the ice" for the then next five years in Carolina, only that he would have a place for certain to call home in the Carolina Hurricanes.

I just assumed then that they would find a solid role for him in the organziation, something like a guaranteed retirement plan: "Brindy, you're taken care of." So why, now, does everyone think it's a terrible mistake that we have Brindy for two more years? He shouldn't be playing twenty minutes each game, and I think Lavy had to because so many other centers were IR or MIA. Cullen's back and Sutter's improving with each passing week, so Brindy can now contribute in a more limited way. That's not necessarily a demotion, if it works for the team. And it's not a mistake for JR to keep him around.

Does Brindy's contract allow for a redesignation of his salary as management instead of player. Does that take him out of the player cap limits down the road? If so, I'm more sure than ever that JR knew exactly what he was doing and applaud him for it. Am I the only one who saw it this way?

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Help me understand this line of reasoning. Why are so many posters on this thread treating the Brindy contract extension as though it were a major Rutherford mistake? Wasn't it clear in 2006 that JR was rewarding Brindy with a contract that said "You've done some great things for our club and there's always a place for you in this organization!"? I don't recall any expectation that Brindy would continue to be a top producer "on the ice" for the then next five years in Carolina, only that he would have a place for certain to call home in the Carolina Hurricanes.

I just assumed then that they would find a solid role for him in the organziation, something like a guaranteed retirement plan: "Brindy, you're taken care of." So why, now, does everyone think it's a terrible mistake that we have Brindy for two more years? He shouldn't be playing twenty minutes each game, and I think Lavy had to because so many other centers were IR or MIA. Cullen's back and Sutter's improving with each passing week, so Brindy can now contribute in a more limited way. That's not necessarily a demotion, if it works for the team. And it's not a mistake for JR to keep him around.

Does Brindy's contract allow for a redesignation of his salary as management instead of player. Does that take him out of the player cap limits down the road? If so, I'm more sure than ever that JR knew exactly what he was doing and applaud him for it. Am I the only one who saw it this way?

I couldn't disagree more and yes I believe you are the only one. I think for a different player on a different team it could be the case. But why would a newly located NHL team in the south that has struggled financially offer a contract extension and not expect performance but more so use it as a reward for his contributions in the past? He was paid for what he did the season they won the cup. He should have been given a contract that outlined incentives based on his performance rather than a flat payment plan. Nobody including JR should feel safe about their job when the organization is losing on the ice and financially.

This is Rutherfords mistake and he will be held accountable because his job is to put an organization together that will win. His performance is measured just like Rod. Who cares about salary cap strategy down the road. Just assume that the team keeps making the same mistakes it has for the past two seasons. As of now the team isn't winning and the attendence level is down. Imagine what it will be like once Brindy's contract matures. The team and the NHL will be going down a different road if we don't make a change.

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