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The Fourth Period reports that the Nashville Predators have Dan Hamhuis on the trade block and they want a top-six forward in return.

Think they'd be interested in Whitney? Although it would probably take a little more on our end, I'd love to see Hamhuis in a Hurricanes' jersey.

Arent we looking to score goals too?

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Arent we looking to score goals too?

In the "new, old" NHL, defense is the key. Corvo and Pitkanen were two large steps in the right direction for Rutherford last season. Hamhuis could solidify our top-four and really establish a solid backbone for the rest of the team to be built upon, especially if they decide to stick with a more defensive-minded gameplan for the future.

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In the "new, old" NHL, defense is the key. Corvo and Pitkanen were two large steps in the right direction for Rutherford last season. Hamhuis could solidify our top-four and really establish a solid backbone for the rest of the team to be built upon, especially if they decide to stick with a more defensive-minded gameplan for the future.

we still need goals more.

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we still need goals more.

Maybe, but this team is currently ranked 27th in the league in goals-per-game WITH Whitney. Is there really that much to lose without him? We're already back to 10th in the Eastern conference and consistency seems to be a concept this team can't grasp. They're just as likely to win on any given night with a line-up full of River Rats as they are a roster full of stars, late last season and early this season proved that. There isn't a single player on this roster that makes a consistent impact night-after-night, so why act as if any one of them are any more important than the others?

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Maybe, but this team is currently ranked 27th in the league in goals-per-game WITH Whitney. Is there really that much to lose without him? We're already back to 10th in the Eastern conference and consistency seems to be a concept this team can't grasp. They're just as likely to win on any given night with a line-up full of River Rats as they are a roster full of stars, late last season and early this season proved that. There isn't a single player on this roster that makes a consistent impact night-after-night, so why act as if any one of them are any more important than the others?

who said anything about whitney, only you did. I just said we need goal scorers, not more defensman right now. If jr makes a move it better be for a top 6 forward who can score. Defense isnt losing us games, offense is.

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who said anything about whitney, only you did. I just said we need goal scorers, not more defensman right now. If jr makes a move it better be for a top 6 forward who can score. Defense isnt losing us games, offense is.

I can only work with what's reported on the websites. Find a top-six forward with an affordable salary that's on the market and we'll talk about that.

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Jordan Staal would be a PERFECT fit for this team. Putting aside his name, he plays center, scores goals, plays very well on the penalty kill, backchecks, etc.

na, another Staal, good player but not a bonified goal scorer, never will be but will probably be paid like one.

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Maybe, but this team is currently ranked 27th in the league in goals-per-game WITH Whitney. Is there really that much to lose without him? We're already back to 10th in the Eastern conference and consistency seems to be a concept this team can't grasp. They're just as likely to win on any given night with a line-up full of River Rats as they are a roster full of stars, late last season and early this season proved that. There isn't a single player on this roster that makes a consistent impact night-after-night, so why act as if any one of them are any more important than the others?

Defense isn't the problem as much as scoring is. We can't score more than 2 goals a game, if we even get that. No scoring is hurting this team more than the defense. Besides right now, our top 4 is pretty solid with Gleason, Corvo, Pitkanen and Seidenberg. Grant it, we don't know what will happen with Seidenberg after this year, but right now at the immediate time, Offense is our weakness, offense is keeping us out of the playoffs, not defense.

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but right now at the immediate time, Offense is our weakness, offense is keeping us out of the playoffs, not defense.

Amen to that - absolutely totally agree -- if we could score 3 goals a game, we would be 'in' the playoffs right now!

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Amen to that - absolutely totally agree -- if we could score 3 goals a game, we would be 'in' the playoffs right now!

all i can say is "Welcome to Moe's", all we will ever score under his system is 2-3 goals a game and then try to sit on that playing a tough defensive game (of course that assumes we have one). won't be long and you will hear the "boring" chants.

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Amen to that - absolutely totally agree -- if we could score 3 goals a game, we would be 'in' the playoffs right now!

whaaat? we obviously have offensive talent && mo is constantley working the offense in practice

defense is our weak spot... you can have the greatest offense in the world but if you have a crappy

defense it cancels out all the offensive work... if we can get our defense on fire maybe we can start

doing some work on offense. thats what we need to be doing.

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whaaat? we obviously have offensive talent && mo is constantley working the offense in practice

defense is our weak spot... you can have the greatest offense in the world but if you have a crappy

defense it cancels out all the offensive work... if we can get our defense on fire maybe we can start

doing some work on offense. thats what we need to be doing.

obviously? how do you come to that conclusion.... we rank near the bottom of the league in goals scored

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all i can say is "Welcome to Moe's", all we will ever score under his system is 2-3 goals a game and then try to sit on that playing a tough defensive game (of course that assumes we have one). won't be long and you will hear the "boring" chants.

It isn't just Mo hockey. This team couldn't score under Lavi. Offense has been the BIG problem all freakin year.

Here's what we did when Lavi was here (Oct. 10-Nov. 30):

games with 6 or more goals = 2

games with 5 goals = 2

games with 4 goals = 2

games with 3 goals = 4

games with 2 goals = 8

games with 1 goals = 6

games with 0 goals = 0

With Mo they had 3 games where they scored 4 or more goals. Total games coached by Mo 24. Total games coached by Lavi 25. So Lavi got them an extra 3 games where they scored more than 4 goals with an extra game played.

Not much different is it?

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I'm like everyone else in that I would love to see us have a high powered offense but I also want a sound defense. I think we are doing pretty well most nights in the defensive category but we miss so many good chances. I don't think the game against NY was boring by any stretch of the imagination. I felt like we were going to tie it up at any moment then they go up by 2 and I'm like "no way now" negative. Then they surprise me and get within a goal again. We were so close to tying it but couldn't find the back of the net. Brindy played much, much better IMO. If he is going to play like that consistently we will be a much better team. I saw where Ryan has been called up. Maybe he will provide a spark.

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Its funny how last season our problem was defense and goaltending, JR fixed both problems (well Cam just fixed himself) while keeping the forward lines almost exactly the same, except losing Cole and the Rats and gaining Sutter, and now offense is our problem. I would think that Cole is a catalyst, but he isn't helping Edmonton very much either.

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Its funny how last season our problem was defense and goaltending, JR fixed both problems (well Cam just fixed himself) while keeping the forward lines almost exactly the same, except losing Cole and the Rats and gaining Sutter, and now offense is our problem. I would think that Cole is a catalyst, but he isn't helping Edmonton very much either.

I think it was the simple fact that Cole could keep up with Staal on the ice that made him an important piece of the offense. Just look at the times that Staal rushes into the offensive zone, he has to physically stop and wait for any teammates to catch up to him. That HAS to hurt any potential offense as it gives the defense ample time to adjust and get into position.

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I think it was the simple fact that Cole could keep up with Staal on the ice that made him an important piece of the offense. Just look at the times that Staal rushes into the offensive zone, he has to physically stop and wait for any teammates to catch up to him. That HAS to hurt any potential offense as it gives the defense ample time to adjust and get into position.

usually when staal rushes into the defensive zone, the defense is already in position. lots of turnovers.

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Just keep in mind that the year after the lockout, the "new" NHL had more goals scored - which is what the fan wanted....since then, the average number of goals has steadily gone down - not just with the Canes. Bootom line, we have lost SEVERAL games by a goal or two - sometimes that 2nd goal is an empty netter too. We need to score goals but I don't care how many per game just as long as we get the GAME WINNER! .02

It isn't just Mo hockey. This team couldn't score under Lavi. Offense has been the BIG problem all freakin year.

Here's what we did when Lavi was here (Oct. 10-Nov. 30):

games with 6 or more goals = 2

games with 5 goals = 2

games with 4 goals = 2

games with 3 goals = 4

games with 2 goals = 8

games with 1 goals = 6

games with 0 goals = 0

With Mo they had 3 games where they scored 4 or more goals. Total games coached by Mo 24. Total games coached by Lavi 25. So Lavi got them an extra 3 games where they scored more than 4 goals with an extra game played.

Not much different is it?

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I think it was the simple fact that Cole could keep up with Staal on the ice that made him an important piece of the offense. Just look at the times that Staal rushes into the offensive zone, he has to physically stop and wait for any teammates to catch up to him. That HAS to hurt any potential offense as it gives the defense ample time to adjust and get into position.

Cole's getting it together though in Edmonton; definitely returning to a strong power forward. We could use it, no doubt.

EDIT: So yes, I do think we miss him.

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As of today we've scored 126 goals - this is less than all the teams in the East except Ottawa and the Islanders (who are in last place). Frankly it's amazing that we're still in the playoff hunt. I think it comes down to the power play - if we were just "average" we'd be solid. The defense and goaltending is fine, and is frankly getting us most of the wins we have. Until we start clicking on the PP, either by picking up someone that can make a difference (unlikely), or figuring it out with who we have, we're stuck in these one goal gut wrenchers for the rest of the season. Keep your Rolaids handy.

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As of today we've scored 126 goals - this is less than all the teams in the East except Ottawa and the Islanders (who are in last place). Frankly it's amazing that we're still in the playoff hunt. I think it comes down to the power play - if we were just "average" we'd be solid. The defense and goaltending is fine, and is frankly getting us most of the wins we have. Until we start clicking on the PP, either by picking up someone that can make a difference (unlikely), or figuring it out with who we have, we're stuck in these one goal gut wrenchers for the rest of the season. Keep your Rolaids handy.

In order to make the playoffs and go anywhere past the first round, the extreme low scoring teams must have an iron trap defense and a top tier goalie. Even then, that's not enough to win a cup. In the last half of the Maurice redux era, this team wins close games and gets blown out in losses. For whatever reason, *cough Brind'Amour cough* this team with no fewer than 9 guys who have scored 20+ goals and 3 over 30 and MORE defensive scoring than last year, this team cannot find the back of the net. This has been a problem all year, no matter the coach.

Nearly all agree that the goaltending and defense have improved (that's why we are not currently in lottery position). Our defense is contributing MORE points (as mentioned), so that means our forwards are producing even less than it appears, and it appears pretty bad. Not only don't we score but we seem to get far fewer odd man rushes, and clean chances than even average teams.

It is not the coach since Mo has not brought anything much to the offense. It must be something has changed at the player level. Hmmm what has changed? Well from 05-07 Brind'Amour was a point a game player. This year he is down to .58 points per game. That adds up to 21 points off the books this year. That alone is good for around 10 goals. But then there are the intangables. Just watch Brind'Amour along the boards and in scrums. This guy used to be nearly flawless at getting the puck and making a good pass even in traffic. Now, he coughs it up 80% of the time. Sometimes this leads directly to a scoring chance against, sometimes it removes a possible chance for. All leading to an astounding -29 that is not improving. Save a game or two, his much heralded (by the homer Trip) improvement is greatly exagerated.

The current make up of this team does not have the juice to do anything but scratch and claw for the #8 spot. A personel move must be made, and it must involve Brind'Amour. It is as simple as that. If this does not occur then we have the same playoff strategy as the last two years: try to sneak in, and then, well you never know, anything is possible. How has that worked out so far?

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The current make up of this team does not have the juice to do anything but scratch and claw for the #8 spot. A personel move must be made, and it must involve Brind'Amour. It is as simple as that. If this does not occur then we have the same playoff strategy as the last two years: try to sneak in, and then, well you never know, anything is possible. How has that worked out so far?

I agree if this team is going to do anything but scratch and claw a move must be made to shore up the #2 center spot because as good as he played Cullen isn't a everyday solution at #2. But moving Brind'Amour to another team isn't necessarily a requirement. I thought he's looked fine with the reduced minutes he's been playing since the All-Star break. He's not the player he once was but he's ok as the third line center and faceoff specialist.

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I agree if this team is going to do anything but scratch and claw a move must be made to shore up the #2 center spot because as good as he played Cullen isn't a everyday solution at #2. But moving Brind'Amour to another team isn't necessarily a requirement. I thought he's looked fine with the reduced minutes he's been playing since the All-Star break. He's not the player he once was but he's ok as the third line center and faceoff specialist.

I'd rather see them swap Sutter and Brind'amour. I don't understand why Sutter doesn't get more playing time. I'm not hockey expert, but he seems to play with energy, consistency, smarts. Why is he not getting more playing time??

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I'd rather see them swap Sutter and Brind'amour. I don't understand why Sutter doesn't get more playing time. I'm not hockey expert, but he seems to play with energy, consistency, smarts. Why is he not getting more playing time??

:lol:

Sorry, I just find it funny you're always getting on LaRose's case, but basically listed his traits as a positive for Sutter.

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