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Cole For Pitkanen - per TSN

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if this is a suprise to anyone you must have been spending the summer in a cave to avoid the heat. THIS IS A GREAT TRADE. dont yall forget, cole is a UFA next year and probably will command $5m a year, something that he'd never get from us. also, ive been questioning his ability to finish since the neck injury. we all love him, especially me, but this is a hockey team and we made a hockey trade. good move jim.

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if this is a suprise to anyone you must have been spending the summer in a cave to avoid the heat. THIS IS A GREAT TRADE. dont yall forget, cole is a UFA next year and probably will command $5m a year, something that he'd never get from us. also, ive been questioning his ability to finish since the neck injury. we all love him, especially me, but this is a hockey team and we made a hockey trade. good move jim.

"Great trade"? Have you even read the posts in this topic? Just look at the post above you talking about Pitkanen. That has been said quite a few times in this topic. Have you even seen him play? ... I love how people hug or bash something without even having a clue about something.

I was expecting a little bit more then just this kid in return for Cole. Well, I hope that JR pulled another good trade...

Bye Cole you were a good player for us.

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I think this leaves Borer in Albany until we have some injuries. As far as Seidenberg, we will keep him if we don't get our mystery defensemen, but if we do, Seids is gone.

I almost forgot about Borer. I liked what he did for us at the end of the year and think he has potential. With the injury he sustained up in Albany though, we wouldn't be able to count on him till mid-season at the earliest and you just don't know how he's going to heal and rehab. Before the injury, he was high on my list to see getting a shot at that 5th or 6th D spot.

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"Great trade"? Have you even read the posts in this topic? Just look at the post above you talking about Pitkanen. That has been said quite a few times in this topic. Have you even seen him play? ... I love how people hug or bash something without even having a clue about something.

I was expecting a little bit more then just this kid in return for Cole. Well, I hope that JR pulled another good trade...

Bye Cole you were a good player for us.

with all due respect to icefrog, i think its a tad ridiculous to bash my opinion on the trade because it differs from his. i do think this is a great trade based on pitkanens play in the past and what i was able to see of him this year. he's got huge offensive upside and has the potential to form up to a solid defender. he played over 24 minutes of ice time with a poor defensive team and held a mediocre -5 with a bad goalie. he's still young, he can blossom to a superstar, and we were going to lose cole next year anyway. people throw out the attitude problem argument, which seems to be based less on action and more on talk in terms of affecting carolina hurricane players...because you dont often see it here. joni played brilliantly under hard a** ken hitchcock and i dont think that lavi is exactly the coach's form of a creampuff.

ill say it again, this is a GREAT TRADE.

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First of all, this team needed a shutdown, stay-at-home defenseman before we needed another offensive guy. Minnesota just grabbed Zidlicky from Nashville, another name we were supposedly in the works with.

Zidlicky a shut down Dman?

Here is the scouting report according to Sportsnet.ca

ASSETS:

Is a major offensive threat from behind the blueline.Has a wealth of top level experience and plenty of polish working the PP.

FLAWS:

Lacks the size and strength needed to see big minutes in the NHL. Is prone to making bad decisions in the defensive zone with frequency.

CAREER POTENTIAL:

Power play specialist

On your second point I call BS also - I've been reading the Oilers boards as well and its 50/50 on whether they got a good deal or not.

From what I've seen of Pitkanen it was a good deal for us and I also think that JR is still not done looking for a shut down type guy.

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Thing about Kaberle is that we would probably have to include one of our 1st round or 2nd round picks. No one would trade for him because of his salary, and his skill as of the moment. We would have to pay someone else to take him off our hands.

Count me as one fo those who would trade Kaberle in a heartbeat. Agreed he had a great season during the SC run. Also agreed that he had two seasons in which injury slowed him down. But he just isn't the kind of defenseman that the Canes need. He is not physicial, he is often out of position and he is not fast enough to make up for being out of position. He has to be the next defensive "hole" that JR fixes.

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...The difference between the two is that, while Cole attempted to work toward his potential, Joni's comfortable as is...

Hey Frog, if this were true, he would have developed more than that horrible one move that he had that worked about 6% of the time. He did it EVERY SINGLE time and it was maddening. Seems like a professional player would have some time to develop more than one move. You gotta agree with me on this one folks...

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Hey Frog, if this were true, he would have developed more than that horrible one move that he had that worked about 6% of the time. He did it EVERY SINGLE time and it was maddening. Seems like a professional player would have some time to develop more than one move. You gotta agree with me on this one folks...

You mean the one where he skates up the right side and cuts across the goal mouth. The defense is always so ready for that. His greatest threat is on the odd man rush.

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Hey Frog, if this were true, he would have developed more than that horrible one move that he had that worked about 6% of the time. He did it EVERY SINGLE time and it was maddening. Seems like a professional player would have some time to develop more than one move. You gotta agree with me on this one folks...

You'd be hard pressed to find many people who disagree with you there. As much as I love Cole, he really and truly only had his single signature move when he led a breakaway.

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Hey Frog, if this were true, he would have developed more than that horrible one move that he had that worked about 6% of the time. He did it EVERY SINGLE time and it was maddening. Seems like a professional player would have some time to develop more than one move. You gotta agree with me on this one folks...

Believe me, I know it was maddening. I remember many times last year, Cole would get a breakaway and manage to screw it up in someway or another.

And yet, I'm sure that's still more effort than we'll see from Joni half the time. Like I said, this'll work out the opposite of the Jack Johnson trade. For that, until JJ reaches his potential, we've got Gleason, who's a better player, so we've got the better end of the deal. Same thing here. Until Joni reaches his potential, they've got Cole, who's a better player, so they've got the better end of the deal.

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with all due respect to icefrog, i think its a tad ridiculous to bash my opinion on the trade because it differs from his.
No bashing at all. Just asking.

We will wait and see how Pitkanen does. I don't hate this deal.. yet. But I don't feel happy with it either. Time always tells with these kind of things.

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Anybody want to read the Samsonov thread when he got signed? Seems to me plenty were ready to throw him under the bus before he even stepped on the ice, based on rumors and speculation around the league.

I think JR was probably aware of Pitkanin's past when he signed him just as was with Samsonov's. I think I'll just sit back and see what happens, the RBC center tends to be a very good home for players who havent found one yet.

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Now that Campbell is signed, JR and Pitkanen should be talking contract. In the 99.9 interiew, he said they shared the same agent and wouldn't start negotiations till Campbell got signed. Let's hope Pitkanen doesn't go for the 4-5 million some are speculating...

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Anybody want to read the Samsonov thread when he got signed? Seems to me plenty were ready to throw him under the bus before he even stepped on the ice, based on rumors and speculation around the league.

I think JR was probabl aware of Pitkanin's past when he signed him just as was with Samsonov's. I think I'll just sit back and see what happens, the RBC center tends to be a very good home for players who havent found one yet.

What he said.

Still, I can't help but feel we could have gotten more for Cole. Like I said before, time will tell how good Pitkanen will be for us.

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I'm more concerned about getting a UFA. Wake up JR...look what the rest of the Southeast is doing.....

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I think Pitkanen is going to play a vital role on our team and hopefully he can continue the trend of players coming here and proving all the doubters wrong. I understand all of that now I just don't understand the money aspect. If you look at all the signings today dmen are getting top dollar, and now we hear that Pitkanen has the same agent as Brian Campbell. Should be interesting to see what Pitkanen is signed for and what all these signings/trades do to the locker room...

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Sheesh, we coulda gone and gotten Streit (UFA) for our offensive/PP specialist D-man, and then used Cole (or whoever else) in a trade for a stud D-man. So many possibilities.

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Another thing no one has talked about yet here (or I haven't read it yet) is that Pitkanen is from Finland, just like Ruutu. Maybe that will be great for them and the team. Seems to me that it would be a good thing. Might inspire both of them to play better and feel more comfortable.

Also, as we add more puck-moving defensemen, I would love to see less of the chip and chase *edit*. We need more puck possession and less dump and lose it. We are adding the tools to keep the puck more... a la the Detroit Red Wings and they did pretty good this year, huh?

NO MORE DUMP AND CHASE.

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Another thing no one has talked about yet here (or I haven't read it yet) is that Pitkanen is from Finland, just like Ruutu. Maybe that will be great for them and the team. Seems to me that it would be a good thing. Might inspire both of them to play better and feel more comfortable.

Also, as we add more puck-moving defensemen, I would love to see less of the chip and chase *edit*. We need more puck possession and less dump and lose it. We are adding the tools to keep the puck more... a la the Detroit Red Wings and they did pretty good this year, huh?

NO MORE DUMP AND CHASE.

Heres the best part, not only are they countrymen, but actual friends, Ruutu called him almost immediately after he got traded to us.

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and probably will command $5m a year.

He will have to have a much improved year to get 5M. This is a contract year, he HAS to bring his best. I just hope that, now that he's gone that he stays out west and plays well.

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If Joni thinks him and his agent are gonna get 5 per year, or even 4 per year (possibility as it would directly replace Coles Salary) out of JR, they've came to the wrong place.

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Believe me, I know it was maddening. I remember many times last year, Cole would get a breakaway and manage to screw it up in someway or another.

And yet, I'm sure that's still more effort than we'll see from Joni half the time. Like I said, this'll work out the opposite of the Jack Johnson trade. For that, until JJ reaches his potential, we've got Gleason, who's a better player, so we've got the better end of the deal. Same thing here. Until Joni reaches his potential, they've got Cole, who's a better player, so they've got the better end of the deal.

This isn't the oposite of that trade for a few reasons:

#1 Cole is a UFA after next season, the Oilers could very easily be looking at 1 year of Cole at the expense of Pitkanen.

#2 One thing you always have to consider when talking about Cole is that his career could end at any much more easily than the other players in the league because of his previous injury.

#3 the Canes get more sooner from Pitkanen than the Kings get from JJ.

In my opinion part of the problem is that people are looking at the best part of Cole, power forward who can take over a game occasionally, against the worst of Pitkanen, a player who has had motivational problems in the past who is an unsigned RFA who wants a bunch of cash.

If you only look at it the other way and think about Cole's downside, over 30, often injured + one very serious injury, UFA after next year, and has never quite lived up to his own potential versus Pitkanen's upside, young, he could turn into a top pairing guy, its a landslide towards Pitkanen.

In other words the trade is even in terms of unknowns but those unknowns could swing the direction of the trade in the future.

Plus even if Pitkanen isn't signed the Canes will be compensated well because JR had to be expecting 3-4.5 million and if he gets a larger offer sheet the canes will get at least a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick if someone tries to pick him off with an offer sheet the canes won't match.

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While I want Pitkanen to produce as much as everybody - lets remember it's what's on front of the jersey not the back. I'm sick of missing the playoffs and this defense needed improvement. Assuming Brindamour and Williams stay healthy they should more than make up for the production of Cole. Am I the only one worried every time Cole takes off head first for the net or gets in the corner? One bad hit and his career could be over. I'm going to miss his speed as much as the next person, but the offense isn't the problem. Pitkanen had two solid years in Philly (40+ points), last year was an alright year on a team that struggled a bit from time-to-time. He'll be fine and we should welcome him. I remember a lot of this forum worried about Corvo and that turned out fine. Why don't we wait and see and give the guy a chance. If Cole + Edmonton - Pitkanen = the Playoffs then good luck in Edmonton COLE.

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