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All he said was we have to resign him next summer and that he will be due a nice raise, which he will be. He never said we had to "completely gut the franchise" or "sign him to a huge contract"

Jesus.. all i said is we don't HAVEto sign anyone... contracts are by choice... he makes it sound like Cam is holding a gun to PK's head and demanding a long term deal.. Do we want Cam to leave? No, but that doesn't guarantee that he will be in Carolina after next year when his contract is up.

What part of that is hard to understand? If for some reason (albeit a strange one) they don't want Cam back they won't resign him and they will trade him before he's a UFA. That has about a 1 in a quadrillion chance of happening, but just to prove a point, when it comes to contract time, no one, not even Staal, Ward, etc is GUARANTEED a contract... yes the franchise players will have the best chance to stay, but it all comes down to performance and money, especially with the cap going down.

If the cap goes down by 5 million as it is predicted, resigning Cam at his current salary, not even a raise will cost some player his job. Maybe "gut the franchise" is a little extreme but someone will be shipped out to pay Ward's money.

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3) Buyout Brind'Amour - the savings from the buyout pays for Kostopolous.

That's crazy talk! Hey, we all know that Brind'Amour had a rough season, but seriously? Buy out our captain? I'd say that he has earned the right to redeem himself. He had a major knee surgery last summer and reinjured himself right before the start of the season. I've always heard that that sort of surgery can often take up to a full year for a player to really recover from. Knee strength is key to so many parts of the game, and is especially important for faceoff success (if you take faceoffs the way Rod does).

I know we were all disappointed in Rod's season, but I guarantee that no one was more disappointed than Brind'Amour. He is a true professional and I don't think he'll keep playing if he thinks that he is a detriment to the team. There's a reason he's the captain and he deserves the chance to decide when he can no longer contribute.

Can you imagine the Avalanche buying Sakic out or the Red Wings buying out Yzerman? No way.

Besides the fact that I believe Rod will be just fine in the upcoming season, buying Brind'Amour out would have a very negative effect on our fanbase. If you consider the discontent over Cole being traded, you can multilpy that several times to get an idea of how such a move would be viewed. Rod is our leader and is widely loved by much of the fanbase. Even if it were the right move based on his on-ice performance (and I don't believe it is), it would send the wrong message to the fans, the team, and to players around the league, many of whom have come to view the Hurricanes as a classy organization that treats its players with respect and fairness. That goodwill hasn't always been the case. I for one don't want to end up in the same boat as Edmonton or Buffalo and see guys jumping ship as soon as they have the chance. Buying out one of the 3 or 4 most recognizable faces of the organization would be an incredibly bad move.

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That's crazy talk! Hey, we all know that Brind'Amour had a rough season, but seriously? Buy out our captain? I'd say that he has earned the right to redeem himself. He had a major knee surgery last summer and reinjured himself right before the start of the season. I've always heard that that sort of surgery can often take up to a full year for a player to really recover from. Knee strength is key to so many parts of the game, and is especially important for faceoff success (if you take faceoffs the way Rod does).

I know we were all disappointed in Rod's season, but I guarantee that no one was more disappointed than Brind'Amour. He is a true professional and I don't think he'll keep playing if he thinks that he is a detriment to the team. There's a reason he's the captain and he deserves the chance to decide when he can no longer contribute.

Can you imagine the Avalanche buying Sakic out or the Red Wings buying out Yzerman? No way.

Besides the fact that I believe Rod will be just fine in the upcoming season, buying Brind'Amour out would have a very negative effect on our fanbase. If you consider the discontent over Cole being traded, you can multilpy that several times to get an idea of how such a move would be viewed. Rod is our leader and is widely loved by much of the fanbase. Even if it were the right move based on his on-ice performance (and I don't believe it is), it would send the wrong message to the fans, the team, and to players around the league, many of whom have come to view the Hurricanes as a classy organization that treats its players with respect and fairness. That goodwill hasn't always been the case. I for one don't want to end up in the same boat as Edmonton or Buffalo and see guys jumping ship as soon as they have the chance. Buying out one of the 3 or 4 most recognizable faces of the organization would be an incredibly bad move.

You make valid points. I agree that, buying out Brindy would create public relations issues...and he is definitely a icon for the franchise. Also JR's management style is based a lot on loyalty...so you don't have to worry about this happening.

However, I (as pretend GM) just can't get past what I see as sub-standard performance on the ice...I think Brindy has lost his legs, his hands, and his vision. He is slow, his checks have no pop, he can't stay on his skates, and he is a turnover waiting to happen. The only things he does well are win face-offs and sit in the slot waiting for someone to feed him a one-timer.

I do acknowledge there is a chance that he could have a better season...but if I was the GM, I wouldn't bank on it. His performance has degraded every year since 05/06. He is no longer providing value commensurate to his salary.

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You make valid points. I agree that, buying out Brindy would create public relations issues...and he is definitely a icon for the franchise. Also JR's management style is based a lot on loyalty...so you don't have to worry about this happening.

However, I (as pretend GM) just can't get past what I see as sub-standard performance on the ice...I think Brindy has lost his legs, his hands, and his vision. He is slow, his checks have no pop, he can't stay on his skates, and he is a turnover waiting to happen. The only things he does well are win face-offs and sit in the slot waiting for someone to feed him a one-timer.

I do acknowledge there is a chance that he could have a better season...but if I was the GM, I wouldn't bank on it. His performance has degraded every year since 05/06. He is no longer providing value commensurate to his salary.

Look at it this way. If you buy out Brindy, you are going to save 2 million dollars. He is due 3 million for the next two years. The buyout would put you at 1 million per for the next 4 years. If we were a max cap team, it may make sense because it would free up 2 million in cap space this year and next. Since we never worry about maxing out, the savings would be the 2 million in real dollars. Now that's a lot of money but you have to pay the player that is going to replace Brindy. If you pay that guy 1 million a year for 2 years, it's a wash.

So, since we don't know which Brindy is coming back and he is the captain, it really doesn't make sense to buy him out. It's a 1 million dollar *edit* shoot for this season to let him play. J.R. would have to make the decision now because he can't wait until after training camp to do this. Let's suppose Brindy will be centering the 4th line. Would you rather have him in that position or some 750k player that was left on the scrap heap now? The only way it makes sense money wise is if there is a guy you can get for the league minimum that was going to outplay Brindy. I'll take my chances with Brindy if it comes down to a buyout.

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Look at it this way. If you buy out Brindy, you are going to save 2 million dollars. He is due 3 million for the next two years. The buyout would put you at 1 million per for the next 4 years. If we were a max cap team, it may make sense because it would free up 2 million in cap space this year and next. Since we never worry about maxing out, the savings would be the 2 million in real dollars. Now that's a lot of money but you have to pay the player that is going to replace Brindy. If you pay that guy 1 million a year for 2 years, it's a wash.

So, since we don't know which Brindy is coming back and he is the captain, it really doesn't make sense to buy him out. It's a 1 million dollar *edit* shoot for this season to let him play. J.R. would have to make the decision now because he can't wait until after training camp to do this. Let's suppose Brindy will be centering the 4th line. Would you rather have him in that position or some 750k player that was left on the scrap heap now? The only way it makes sense money wise is if there is a guy you can get for the league minimum that was going to outplay Brindy. I'll take my chances with Brindy if it comes down to a buyout.

SpasticRodent would think you are on some sort of performance enhancing drug with that post!!

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Right now this is our current line-up (w/o RFA's)

1 Cole-Staal-Samsonov

2 Whitney-Cullen-LaRose

3 Jokinen-Brind'Amour-Eaves

4 Walker-Conboy-Kostopoulos

SPARES: Ryan

1 Corvo-Gleason

2 Pitkanen-Alberts

3 Wallin-Carson

SPARES: Kaberle

1 Ward

2 Leighton

What I think will happen:

Tuomo Ruutu re-signs for 3 years at 3M

Anton Babchuk's rights get traded to the New York Rangers for prospect C/W Artem Anisimov

Frank Kaberle and Patrick Eaves get traded to the San Jose Sharks for Christian Ehrhoff

Using Babchuk's money sign C Manny Malhotra for 1 year at 1.5M to give Brandon Sutter more time to develop. (No reason in bringing him up if he is gonna play 4th line minutes)

RED=NEW

LINE 1 Cole-Staal-Ruutu

LINE 2 Whitney-Cullen-Samsonov

LINE 3 Jokinen-Brind'Amour-LaRose

LINE 4 Walker-Malhotra-Kostopoulos

SPARES: Conboy, Ryan

D1 Corvo-Gleason

D2 Pitkanen-Ehrhoff

D3 Alberts-Wallin

SPARES: Carson or Rodney

G1 Ward

G2 Leighton

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What I think will happen:

Tuomo Ruutu re-signs for 3 years at 3M

Anton Babchuk's rights get traded to the New York Rangers for prospect C/W Artem Anisimov

Frank Kaberle and Patrick Eaves get traded to the San Jose Sharks for Christian Ehrhoff

Using Babchuk's money sign C Manny Malhotra for 1 year at 1.5M to give Brandon Sutter more time to develop. (No reason in bringing him up if he is gonna play 4th line minutes)

RED=NEW

LINE 1 Cole-Staal-Ruutu

LINE 2 Whitney-Cullen-Samsonov

LINE 3 Jokinen-Brind'Amour-LaRose

LINE 4 Walker-Malhotra-Kostopoulos

SPARES: Conboy, Ryan

D1 Corvo-Gleason

D2 Pitkanen-Ehrhoff

D3 Alberts-Wallin

SPARES: Carson or Rodney

G1 Ward

G2 Leighton

Love the ideas, but Im going to poke some holes in all of them. I don't think Kabs+Eaves will get us Erhoff. I would also like to see us trade Babs to the West if possible, so we don't have to play against him. Also I'm not sure if we could get Anisimov for Babs, but its debatable. I've heard Malhotra hasn't signed yet because he has priced himself out, so I doubt we could fit him in. Plus I doubt he would want to come here and play 4th line after he had much more ice time last year.

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SpasticRodent would think you are on some sort of performance enhancing drug with that post!!

Chill out with the personal attacks there cupcake and stop sending me nasty PMs, I'm sure that is not to be accepted around here.

The team will never buy out Brind'Amour, that would be very desperate. I'm sure if they really wanted to coerce him off the team to clear his salary they would just say they won't play him and offer that he should retire and they will instantly give him a good job in the front office.

Though as far as great deals would go... If the Rangers are interested in Babs, Wouldn't it be amazing if we struck a deal with them for Babs+(Prospect/Pick/Eaves(possibly)) for Zherdev. He is definitely a first line winger who only makes $3-4 million and a Ruutu-Staal-Zherdev line would be amazing. The Rangers are definitely a team that could use Babs since Redden sucked and they also aren't that deep so I think Eaves might be able to mix in to be a 3rd line winger. Throw in a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and I think it's a fair deal.

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In the case of Babchuk for Anisimov, you just have to ask yourself when was the last time Rutherford traded for a prospect? Any deal I can remember in recent years has always resulted in a player with NHL experience headed back to Carolina.

I'll also add that Eaves and Kaberle isn't nearly enough to net Ehrhoff.

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Love the ideas, but Im going to poke some holes in all of them. I don't think Kabs+Eaves will get us Erhoff. I would also like to see us trade Babs to the West if possible, so we don't have to play against him. Also I'm not sure if we could get Anisimov for Babs, but its debatable. I've heard Malhotra hasn't signed yet because he has priced himself out, so I doubt we could fit him in. Plus I doubt he would want to come here and play 4th line after he had much more ice time last year.

I agree with all of your points. I'll agree that Kabs and Eaves is not enough for Ehrhoff so we could possibly slide a 2nd rounder in there. As for Babchuk and the Rangers, from what I hear the Rags are desparate for a puck moving defenseman. We have one that is expendable and has a good upside, and if they are that desparate, getting Anisimov from them might not be that hard, seeing that they need a LOT more help on the blue line than forwards. Plus, having Babchuk around might give some incentive for Zherdev to stay. In the case of Malhotra, if it's around late August and nobody has signed him. I would consider any offer at that point, with the economy the way it is. I agree Manny Malhotra is much better than a 4th liner but as of right now no teams really need Centers. Malhotra is one of the best face-off men in the game. I really can't imagine him asking any more than 1.8M. Also, another guy to consider could be Marcel Goc.

I will also agree with you about sending Babs out west, I think he'll come back and bite us if he stays in the East. 7-8 teams are believed to be interested in him and I'm gonna try to list the teams that could make sense and what we could package together to get a deal done. And players I believe we would be interested in.

Teams we know are interested

RANGERS - Anisimov, Dubinsky

CANUCKS - Hansen, Wellwood, Edler

BLUE JACKETS - Klesla, Methot, Chimera

Who I believe the other teams are

DEVILS - Clarkson, Zubrus

WILD - Sheppard, Schultz

SABRES - Lydman

COYOTES - Prucha

PANTHERS - Olesz

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I agree with all of your points. I'll agree that Kabs and Eaves is not enough for Ehrhoff so we could possibly slide a 2nd rounder in there. As for Babchuk and the Rangers, from what I hear the Rags are desparate for a puck moving defenseman. We have one that is expendable and has a good upside, and if they are that desparate, getting Anisimov from them might not be that hard, seeing that they need a LOT more help on the blue line than forwards. Plus, having Babchuk around might give some incentive for Zherdev to stay. In the case of Malhotra, if it's around late August and nobody has signed him. I would consider any offer at that point, with the economy the way it is. I agree Manny Malhotra is much better than a 4th liner but as of right now no teams really need Centers. Malhotra is one of the best face-off men in the game. I really can't imagine him asking any more than 1.8M. Also, another guy to consider could be Marcel Goc.

I like the idea of Malhotra, as he is another great faceoff man, but I don't think we would have the space to get him. Even if we did manage to sign him for around 1.8 per year, then we have another ridiculously expensive 4th line.

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In the case of Babchuk for Anisimov, you just have to ask yourself when was the last time Rutherford traded for a prospect? Any deal I can remember in recent years has always resulted in a player with NHL experience headed back to Carolina.

I'll also add that Eaves and Kaberle isn't nearly enough to net Ehrhoff.

I think it might be very hard to pry Anisimov from NY anyway. Ottawa already tried to trade Heatley to NY and the main player they wanted back was Anisimov and Sather said that he was not going to be traded period.

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Rangers beat writer on Babchuk. Rozival for Babchuk??? LOL No way to that!

The Rangers are still missing two key pieces: a slap shot from the point and a veteran presence in the locker room.Seems like a tall order to process. How can this team with limited cap space pull of two very key moves to solidify themselves?The first part of the answer is Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Anton Babchuk, who has one of the hardest slapshots in the entire league.Babchuk who is a defenseman, scored 16 goals last season of which nine were on the power play. He is currently a restricted free agent who is asking for $1 million more then what Carolina is willing to pay him.In an interview with Canes Country, Babchuk told a reporter, "I've heard from my agent that seven or eight teams were interested, including the Rangers and Vancouver. I am optimistic with my future." If the Rangers could somehow deal Michal Rozsival to Carolina then not only does that save an upwards of $2 million but it also opens the door to another signing. Rozsival who is no slouch himself could pair very well with current Hurricanes' power play specialist Joe Corvo, thus giving both teams a great deal.

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Rangers beat writer on Babchuk. Rozival for Babchuk??? LOL No way to that!

Take the deal and run.

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Sounds like another writer that doesn't understand the self-imposed budget that Carolina operates with. Rozsival is set to earn $6 million this season, the same salary as Eric Staal. After that, he is due $4 million the next season and $3 million the season after that. Unless Rutherford wants to inflate the eventual contract demands of players like Corvo, Gleason, and Pitkanen, he'll stay away from Rozsival.

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Rangers beat writer on Babchuk. Rozival for Babchuk??? LOL No way to that!

That sounds like the best trade ever... For the Rangers. Dump a huge salary under-performing Dman and gain a cheap awesome PP quarterback. They just need to learn their lesson and stop signing mediocre D (Rozsival, Redden) for huge superstar prices.

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That sounds like the best trade ever... For the Rangers. Dump a huge salary under-performing Dman and gain a cheap awesome PP quarterback. They just need to learn their lesson and stop signing mediocre D (Rozsival, Redden) for huge superstar prices.

beatwriters are like us fans right now and are starved for some info to report on. This one is comical cuz the guy didnt do much research before making this one up.

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Sounds like another writer that doesn't understand the self-imposed budget that Carolina operates with. Rozsival is set to earn $6 million this season, the same salary as Eric Staal. After that, he is due $4 million the next season and $3 million the season after that. Unless Rutherford wants to inflate the eventual contract demands of players like Corvo, Gleason, and Pitkanen, he'll stay away from Rozsival.

If Rozsival is set to make 6.. but signing Babs would only (per the article) save them 2 million... are they planning on paying Babs 4 million?? Holy Overpayment Batman...

If Babs was a UFA he would be LONG gone if anyone made an offer like that....

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I don't spend much time researching other team's players salaries, I rely on you all for that. But if this team is contemplating spending 6 million dollars on a player, that player better have 60-70 point potential, and be a winger.

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If Rozsival is set to make 6.. but signing Babs would only (per the article) save them 2 million... are they planning on paying Babs 4 million?? Holy Overpayment Batman...

If Babs was a UFA he would be LONG gone if anyone made an offer like that....

We've been looking at the players salary, because that's what our team is budgeted by, but this writer is looking at cap hit. Rozsival's Cap hit is 4.33, so singing Babchuk around 2 mil would save around 2 million.

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Like JR has been needing yours? glass houses dude

You mean JR's been ignoring mine?? Where is a mod when I need one!!! :lol: :lol:

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